Abusive parents...
By trish32
@trish32 (1471)
United States
July 7, 2008 6:03pm CST
I've noticed a rash of what I consider to be abusive behavior involving parents, particularly mothers, and their very young children, infants, even. One instance was a young mother, who appeared to be a teenager, slapping her baby, who appeared to be around 6 months old, in the face for crying. This happened in the customer service line at Wal-mart, right in front of numerous people. Another instance was at the gas station, where I witnessed a mother (again, she appeared to be a teenager) yelling obscenities at her son, who appeared to be about 2 - 3 years old. When he started crying she slapped him right across the face so hard he stumbled and nearly fell. Without going on and on, which I could given what I've seen lately, not to mention the stories I've read in the newspaper and seen on tv, I'll ask my question.
Do you believe that, on the average, younger parents are more prone to abusing their children than older parents? By younger I mean teenaged parents up to the age of, let's say 21. Please, to all the young parents out there, I'm not making a blanket statement that all young parents are, or will become, abusive parents. By no means would I say that, as I was only 20 when I had my oldest child.
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21 responses
@latoyahall (835)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I have seen it go both ways. I know that children are hard to deal with(I have a 3 year old and a 16 month old), but I think that maybe it is seen a lot in mothers who are single and have no money. I am 23(still young),and I don't really have much money, and sometimes when you add that to two children screaming at your ankles you just want to scream yourself. But when that happens to me I just lock myself in the bathroom(lol), but it works.
I think that when a parent gets angry with a child to a point that they feel like they are losing control they should try to figure out a way to take space(this is hard to do MOST of the time).
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@trish32 (1471)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I agree. Parenting can be an enormous challenge no matter what age you are when you start a family. I am 33 and have 4 children, with my youngest 2 being born only 12 months apart. They have been a big challenge for me and, at times, I have been very stressed and frustrated. The bathroom is a great place to take a time out for parents, lol! I have, many times, locked myself in the bathroom and turned the faucet on. Something about hearing the running water is very soothing.
Do you feel that your own mother taught you skills that have helped you as a parent?
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@trish32 (1471)
• United States
9 Jul 08
I think it's awesome that you turned a very negative experience in your life into such a positive! It's encouraging to hear stories of people who overcome the negatives in their childhood and turn them into positive life experiences that benefit not only themselves, but others, too!
@srpkinja (375)
• Canada
8 Jul 08
i think younger parents are more prone to abusing their children than older parents. teenagers are just kids themselves, if you think about it. i dont want to say that teenagers are not ready for children, because i have know about some teenagers who are doing just fine being a teen parent but when someone has a child, they are not used to having a crying, screaming baby around 24/7, who needs your attention at all times. teenagers who either make the choice or mistake to have a baby at a young age still consider themselves teenagers, meaning they can do anything when they want, that they have no priorities, that they can go out partying out until 3am but those days are over when a child comes into the picture. i think that some teenage parents may resent their children from keeping them from doing the things they are entitled to as a teenager. then when their child is crying, fussing and being annoying about something so pointless they dont understand or care, as a teenager why the child is crying they resort to abuse or yelling when they want the child to stop crying. children are a handful, which is what some teenagers dont understand. instead, they rush into having s-e-x but dont understand the consequences. in some cases, this might not be the case. some teenagers also were abused at kids and maybe even as teenagers and only know what they have seen or been through in their lives. personally, i think that parents to be should be more educated before having their children. this will make for happier parents and happier children.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
9 Jul 08
You're right. Just because a teenager has a child doesn't make them an adult, they're still very much a teenager. I also agree with you that parents-to-be, both male and female, should be more educated before having their children. Several posters in this discussion have mentioned parenting classes, which I think is a very good idea.
Thanks for your response!
@marriedman111399 (1207)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I think that some younger parents tend to discipline more hard then older parents because they just dont know any better. They also might have grown up with parents that might have had discipline problems also. I think that new parents should go through parenting classes. I think it will help out alot.
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@trish32 (1471)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I agree that parenting classes could be very helpful for many parents, younger & older. I think having a support system in place would help a great deal, too. Even if that support system is in the form of friends, neighbors, church members, counselors, etc..
Thanks for your response!
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I think teenagers having children aren't all the problem. I think lots of it stems from how they were brought up in their own household. If they were mistreated, then they are more prone to mistreat their babies. A child is a big burden for a teenager who isn't grown up. But all teenagers do not act like that. My daughter had her first child at 18 and she never abused him. She is the most loving Mother a child would want. She had another one in 15 months and took care of them just as I took care of her, very lovingly. She has raised 4 and loved every minute of it.
Teenagers need to be brought up in a loving home where people show lots of affection. They have to be nurtured in a way that gives them the ability to respond correctly to any situation. They should know a baby will cry for certain reasons, and a slap isn't going to stop that baby from crying or fussing. In fact,it will usually make them worse. A baby doesn't have the ability to understand that slap.
I have seen scenes just like you describe. It makes me want to take the child and just hug it.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
9 Jul 08
I completely agree with you. Children learn to love from being loved. They learn patience from having others respond patiently to them. And they learn parenting from positive role models in their lives, whether it's their own parents or other parents they've interacted with.
I'm glad to know that your daughter turned out to be such a wonderful mother regardless of her young age when she became a mom. My own mother was only 19 when my oldest sister was born, and she was and still is an excellent mother. Quite the opposite, I have a neighbor whose cousin didn't have her first child until she was 29 and treats her child like a burden, yells at him, locks him in his room so she doesn't have to be bothered with him and tells him she's sorry she ever had him. She's been reported to social services twice, and unfortunately it doesn't seem to have improved the situation any.
I know what you mean about wanting to give these poor kids a big hug. It makes my heart break every time I see something like that.
Thanks for your response!
@EEBEAN (28)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I believe that any parent without good parenting skills/knowledge is prone to be abusive in some manner -- be it physically or emotionally. Age certainly plays a part, but more of a contributing factor is the way the young parent was raised -- we tend to continue what we know, good or bad.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
9 Jul 08
That is very true. I think that very cycle of abuse is the reason it's so important that we, as a society, try our best to create positive role models for children. I think it's also equally important that, as a society, we recognize the need for children to have a support system available to them in times of need, whether it's an unplanned pregnancy, abuse in their own home, or some other need they have.
Thanks for your response!
@latriciajones (846)
• United States
8 Jul 08
i think so , because 1 they are so young and they really dont know how to deal with a child and 2 some think it is cool to be able to curse at your child in public and they may think that people will respect them as parents because they dont play with their kids but they are not being respected at all. also sometimes with younger parents their tolerance is only so long, so if a child does something and they are probably already frustrated about something totally different their first reaction is to hit the child no matter where it is. Some parents grow take having a child as a learning experience for their second child and some think it is a game.
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@trish32 (1471)
• United States
9 Jul 08
I never considered that some young parents may be cursing or yelling at their child to be cool or to try to gain respect as a parent. However misguided the idea may be, you may have a point. They may feel that everyone is judging them because they're a young parent and go to rather extreme measures to prove their ability to parent, and end up hurting their child in the end. That's an interesting take on it, and one that we should consider (not that it would make it right for them to be abusive, but perhaps lend some perspective to what's going on with them).
Thanks for your response!
@rk_agrawal (133)
• India
8 Jul 08
IT may be because now a days youngsters do not have patience and they get angry very soon. Now a days children are also more mischievous and make parents get angry quite often. But abusing children do not solve the problem.. If you abuse your child then you may lose control over the children.. And your child may think you as his/her enemy...
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@trish32 (1471)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I agree that children now may not have the patience that children years ago had. Much of that I think is partly due to the fact that people, on the average, are accustomed to instant gratification. If they see something they want, they get it now, regardless of what the expense or if they truly need it. This is not to say all people are that way, but I think many people have many more things now than years ago, so children have become accustomed to having what they want, when they want. This does not teach them patience, value, etc.. When it comes to being young parents, they're not equipped to deal with the issues of a baby trying their patience, of needing love, attention, feeding, changing, etc., all of which take time.
@wachit14 (3595)
• United States
8 Jul 08
Unfortunately, what you say is true. Younger parents are not prepared to be parents when they, themselves are still children. Lots of patients and knowledge are needed to adequately parent a child and younger parents are sadly unprepared in that respect.
Also, young parents are often times the product of a violent and abusive relationship and they are just perpetuating the only behavior they know, which is violence and abuse. I work with children and I see how abuse impacts children as they grow from toddlers into older children. They are often angry and take their anger out on themselves or others.
If these younger parents had a crystal ball to see how their abuse would impact their children as they grow, they would surely try to find a better way to parent their children.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I agree that abuse is often cyclical. Children born into abusive households often do become abusers, whether it's in their dating/marital relationships or with their children, or both. Sadly I think a lack of resources available for intervention into these types of situations is a factor. On the other hand, people have to want to be helped, too, and often don't realize they need it.
Thanks for your response!
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@ersmommy1 (12588)
• United States
8 Jul 08
My mom had me when she was 21. And I was not an abused kid. I think it can happen with some teen parents. Do they have a good support system? Are parenting classes available? These are just a few questions. Being a parent no matter what age can be a difficult undertaking. It depends on the maturity of the people. In any case it is a shame. As a teen I was not ready for parenthood.I was completely focused on me. Which is why I waited. After the fact, all I could hope for is some to step in and help before the abuses get out of hand.
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@trish32 (1471)
• United States
8 Jul 08
These are the things I wonder about when I see so many young parents abusing and neglecting their children. Granted, abuse and neglect happens to children who have older parents, too, but it seems more prevalent with the much younger parents. I've read that it's cyclical in many instances, where the young mother had a young mother who was not equipped to raise a child, and so the cycle carries on because the new young mother was not raised in a stable, supportive environment. It truly is a shame.
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@thebeaddoodler (4262)
• Lubbock, Texas
8 Jul 08
I've seen some very good teenage mothers. The difference is probably in how they were raised. If you're very young and your mother treated you that way, maybe you would think it was the "proper" way to discipline a child. If you waited til you were older to have children, you'd have time to process experiences more and just maybe you wouldn't want to treat your children the way you were treated. A little maturity also gives you more patience.
On the whole I'd say teen agers are still children themselves and probably don't have the maturity to be parents.
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@trish32 (1471)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I believe you're very right in saying that the way a young mother's own mother raised her probably has a lot of bearing on how she will handle parenting her children. And you make a valid point in saying maturity plays a factor in how patient a person can be. This is not to say that older parents aren't capable of abuse or neglect, but I think the older we are the more likely we are to think before we react.
Thanks for your response!
@phoenix25 (1541)
• United States
10 Jul 08
I wouldn't say that younger parents are more prone to abuse their children than older parents. I WOULD say that some people are ready to have children and can be good parents and some people simply aren't. Younger people are more likely than older people to fit into the category of people that aren't ready to have children and/or can't be good parents. A young parent myself, with lots of encounters with other young parents, I know that young parents aren't necessarily more abusive than older parents. Another thing to consider is that some older parents that are abusive might just be better at hiding it. Perhaps those young parents you saw hitting their children in public haven't realized that they are exhibiting abusive behavior towards their children and that they can and probably will get in trouble for it at some point down the line. I was 21 when I had my son. I kind of grind my teeth when you say "teenaged parents up the age of, let's say 21" as 20 and up is not teenaged. I just got so tired of people giving me the "poor, single, teenage mom" look every time I went out in public with my mom, even though I was definitely NOT single, nor a teenage mom. Having said that, I would encourage people not to make assumptions about the people they see in public. What you think is a single, teenage mom might not be. In my case, I had been married for 2 years when I had my son and I got tired of people looking at me in public after I had my son, giving me that "I assume you're a bad parent because you look so young" look. I guess I have a complex because of my young appearance. I can tell you from experience, though, it gets annoying. Anyway, back on the subject. I am kind of an anomale where child abuse comes in because I was abused by my father as a child. For some reason, the abuse had the opposite effect on me that it tends to have on most parents. Psychological theories mostly state that a child that is abused will grow up to abuse their children. In my case, I grew up NOT wanting to treat my children that way. I would never slap my child in the face because I know how much I hated being hit like that when I was a kid. I will spank him for very bad behavior, but that is far and away from the abuse that I experienced. It's a shame that you have witnessed these young parents abusing their kids in public, but just remember that older parents do it too. My dad was 23 when he had me and that didn't prevent him from being abusive. Age might have some sway as to whether or not a parent is likely to be abusive, but it isn't the be-all, end-all in the scenario. Older parents are just as capable of being abusive and might be smarter than their younger counterparts by not doing it in public.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
10 Jul 08
By no means do I presume that young parents are the only parents who abuse their kids. And when I stated the group 'teenaged parents up to the age of 21' I did not intend to label 20 & 21 year old parents as teenagers, simply to include people of that age in the group of 'young parents'. I had just turned 20 when I had my oldest child, had been married for nearly 2 years and had to deal with people acting as if my daughter were an "accident". The nurses were very shocked to find out that not only was I married but my daughter was planned. I was told by several specialists that I had a very slim chance of ever carrying a child to term due to severe scarring in my uterus from a twin miscarriage after being beaten when I was 6 months pregnant. My husband and I discussed what the specialists had told me, which included the fact that the older I got the worse the adhesions on the scarring would be, lessening my chances of carrying a baby to term, or even to viability. We opted for having a baby sooner rather than later.
My father, too, was abusive and not a very young parent. I feel very much the same way you do in that I am one of the exceptions to the cycle of abuse. I vowed never to treat my children the way my father treated me, and I haven't and never will. My father was one of those parents who was great at hiding the abuse. People who knew him thought he was a great 'dad' and wonderful husband, neither of which he was. They never saw him behind closed doors.
@phoenix25 (1541)
• United States
10 Jul 08
Wow, we seem to have so much in common. Nobody thought that anything was wrong with my family, either. We were all great at keeping up appearances. I still get into that bad habit sometimes. It took me a long time to be able to by myself. I still don't act like myself around new people. Our situation was slightly similar to yours with our baby. I was 21 when I had him and had been married for 2 years. He wasn't exactly planned, though. My husband had been told young that he would probably never be able to have children. When I first started dating him, I had to get used to the idea because I had always just imagined having a child someday. We did decide that if we ever did happen to get pregnant, we would have the baby because we felt it would be somewhat of a miracle. So, he wasn't planned, but wasn't unwanted either. I also just wanted to have kids young. I didn't want to have kids when I was like 35. I don't want to have kids in the house when I'm 50. This way, my son will be 18 by the time I am 40, so I'll have some time to do things that I want to do when I get older.
@phoenix25 (1541)
• United States
10 Jul 08
The nurses weren't terrible to me when I had my son, but I think that was because I wasn't demanding like the other mothers and I really didn't ask for much. I think they also saw how I was with my son and how involved I was with him. I looked really young also when I had my son. I was also 21, but looked about 17. I am 25 now and still get looks from people occasionally. It doesn't help that I look younger than my age and my son is taller than the average 4 year old, which makes him look older, so they just assume that I must have had him REALLY young. I pride myself in not caring what people think about me because I know that I live my life right, but sometimes you just get so tired of it.
@shubh1937 (39)
• India
14 Jul 08
You may have experienced such cases but pl. do not generalise your conclusions.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
14 Jul 08
If you read my post carefully you would see where I said, "Do you believe that, on the average, younger parents are more prone to abusing their children than older parents? By younger I mean teenaged parents up to the age of, let's say 21. Please, to all the young parents out there, I'm not making a blanket statement that all young parents are, or will become, abusive parents. By no means would I say that, as I was only 20 when I had my oldest child."
I stated explicitly that I was young when I had my first child. I also asked if people believed that young parents were more "PRONE" to abusing their children, not that they "WOULD". I even added a disclaimer to prevent this from becoming a debate over generalizations, which it is not by any means.
@shubh1937 (39)
• India
14 Jul 08
Thank you for your clarification.Now I understand it better. Yes, Younger generation in all fields are impatient so as in parenting.I do not blame them.The whole atmosphere is vitiated.Life has become dificult and stressful.
-------maybe they became parents ahead of times, maybe they (children) are not fruits of love but of passion & lust..
@JTerrasi (199)
• United States
8 Jul 08
'Abuse has NO age range'. I worked at Walmart and saw it all the time. Once I started over to a man that had struck his son and my manager said, 'Janet don't do it'. I am not one to stand by and watch something like what you saw happen and not interceed. I guess I would end up in jail but I don't believe in hitting of any kind. Can you tell I have been through abuse and so have my two older kids??
Thank you Trish.....Janet
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I agree that abuse has no age range. I had an abusive father, and he was 24 when my oldest sister was born. It just seems that the abuse and neglect are more prevalent among the younger parents. On the other hand, it may just be that the younger parents are more apt to react out in public, whereas the older parents who would abuse may have the presence of mind not to.
I'm like you. I tend to speak up when I see things like that happening. I spoke to the woman in the gas station parking lot, who then responded with assorted unsavory words right in front of her child and mine. I was amazed at just how angry she was...I mean pure anger. I can only hope that she will get some help, and soon.
Thanks for your response!
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@AnnaB7 (756)
• United States
8 Jul 08
I think that abusive parents come in all ages, and sometimes it just looks like its only the younger ones when really it can be anyone of any age,
I think people are more likely to take their every day stress out on their children if they are not very careful.
I also think that people as a whole are not as emotionally mature as those of a generation or so ago.
And people seem to expect more that is reasonable out of their children, forgetting that their child has to have time to grow up, and not every child will be able to behave as well as every other child. Because that all children mature at different rates, and screaming is not good for anyone, and slapping through the face as you discribe shows that the parent is loosing control and is emotionally unstable and needs to step back and rethink how they are responding to a crying infant that does not even know how to talk yet. I mean some exceptional children may be talking at seven or eight months old but as a rule I kind of doubt it.
And teenagers have no business having children unless they are first married and have been married for a good while, because teenagers are still kids themselves no matter how mature they believe themselves to be.
That's my opinion anyway,
I do believe that people are less understanding and more impatient than they used to be, and I believe that is a direct result of the me first society that we live in, and in the fact that everyone wants everything now, no one wants to wait, and a child can not grow up in an instant although when they are finally 18 it will seem like that is exactly what they have done. Childhood passes by very quickly it is sad that there are so many parents that take for granted the fleeting days of their childrens youth,
Then one day wake up to see that their child is grown and gone with no time for them, it is very sad.
Abusive parents I don't believe are the norm, I believe that most parents want the best for their children, but some parents don't know any better because of being in abusive home enviroments all their lives so what we can see as abuse they just think of as normal. And that is sad.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
9 Jul 08
Very well said! I do think that the very self-centered, self-serving nature that some of society has developed over that past several years plays a role in the number of children being abused. I also believe that the drop in moral standards plays a role, too, though that is better left to another discussion.
You're right, the years of childhood pass very quickly, and once they're gone, they're gone for good. I think all parents should remind themselves of that, and frequently.
Thanks for your response!
@manalove (65)
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13 Jul 08
I do disipline my children but slapping a child across the face is abuse and should not be tolerated. I have poped my son,s hand before when he was like 3yrs old for pulling something of the shelf at walmart and some lady stood infront of my cart ,and told me how bad of a parent I was. I simply told her that I have told him several times to stop he did't so I poped him on the hand ,and if he does it againg I will pop him again . She told me my kids would grow up to be mur*ers. I told her to not tell me how to disipline my children ,and that it is the kids that lack disipline that brings g*ns to school , and to please let go of my cart. She started yelling at me ,and refused to let go. I told her if she wanted I could take her to the bathroom, and spank her butt if that would help her to stop throwing a tantrum. She let go of my cart,and stomped off. an elderly couple came up to me and told me that I was a good mom for trying to teach my child right from wrong.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
14 Jul 08
There are many acceptable forms of discipline. Giving your child a slap on the hand for pulling something off the shelf, in my opinion, is far from abuse. Your child could've hurt himself by pulling something onto his head or pulling something breakable off the shelf and having it shatter on the floor sending shards of glass flying through the air into his face, eyes, etc.. I think some people have a very broad and unrealistic definition of abuse. There are those who believe any physical form of punishment is abuse. Others feel that any sort of physical discipline that doesn't leave welts or bruises is acceptable.
I think the woman who said that you were abusing your child and would turn him into a murderer by slapping his hand was out of line. Teaching your child not to do something dangerous is far from abuse and far from setting him up for a life of crime!
Thanks for your response!
@jalucia (1431)
• United States
13 Jul 08
I think that there are many factors behind an abusive parent. Lack of support, feeling like their options are limited, have been abused themselves, overwhelming stress and mental problems can all be reasons why a parent is abusive. I don't think that it has too much to do with age. A young person with limited resources, limited life experience and poor coping mechanisms can make a horrible parent. But, adults can also find themselves in the same situation.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
14 Jul 08
Yes, I agree that parents of any age can find themselves in that sort or situation. I don't mean to exclude older parents from being possible abusers, just as I don't mean to include all younger parents. I was just trying to get a sense of whether or not people noticed more young parents acting irrationally or abusively with their children than older parents. I've had several posters make comment to the affect that it may just be that older parents have the presence of mind not to overreact in public.
Thanks for your reply!
@littlerayray77 (254)
• United States
10 Jul 08
Well I don't think so. Not on an average. I think that younger people who don't have much hope of a future to begin with might be more prone to become abusive, or younger people who's pregnancies were not planned. Also I think that their own childhood might play into this. If for example they had abusive or angry parents themselves.
For instance, I myself am 24, my wife is 20. We were married when I was 22 and she was 18 and had our daughter when I was 23 and she was 19. I'm a middle class Caucasian grew up in a middle class family, both parents are teachers (still married today), with one other a sibling (an older sister by 3 years) and attended private school. So I'm as white and "normal" as they come. However I did drop out of school which was the start of my own downfall. I started smoking w33d, doing mushrooms, partying and hung out with the wrong people. I got myself out of it and into school, got trained in a career and ever since I was 20 I've been in a stable career grossing 45-50.
My wife, grew up in a household with 4 other siblings, and not quite as fortunate of me to a "normal" childhood not to say she was in an abusive family no, just not the same as my upbringing. She however did finish high school, and found herself at the same trade school as me, got trained in a career and had been a professional since she graduated at 17.
We both got married working stable jobs and not in school, then had a child while married and both with stable jobs. I ended up getting a higher paying job so that my wife could stay at home.
ANNNYway, the point is, we're not abusive and had a planned pregnancy. Many young parents don't have planned pregnancies, and if they're not already in a stable mode in life. May be more likely candidates of abusive parents, and still, even if they had a stable job/career but were raised in an abusive family might even be more likely to be abusive.
Parenting is something that comes naturally to anyone who is becoming a parent, it just depends on your own morals, and how you learned from your own parents. Meaning not all people with abusive childhoods become abusive, no, some of these people just learned from the wrong way to do it, in order to do it right, making them stronger people.
Sorry for rambling and maybe I've given too much information, but I felt the need to give a slight history of ourselves to build a real life example.
To answer your question, no, I don't think so, it really just depends on their own up bringing and their own morals and possibly their stability in life.
@trish32 (1471)
• United States
10 Jul 08
I agree with you that not all young parents, or even the majority of young parents are abusive to their children. I think that, like you said, it's much more a matter of upbringing, life situations and morals. I, too, was young when I married and had my first child. I was 18 when I married and had just turned 20 when my oldest child was born. I had an abusive father growing up and was determined to make sure my children never had to go through what I went through. I am proud to say they haven't and never will. I learned what I didn't want to be as a parent and they're father is a very gentle, loving, devoted dad.
I think, as many people have stated, teenagers may just be more prone to reacting in an abusive manner in public where we witness their actions, whereas older abusive parents may be more apt to have the presence of mind not to react abusively in public, but rather wait until their out of the public's eye to mistreat their children.
Thanks for your reply!
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@trish32 (1471)
• United States
9 Jul 08
I had an abusive father, and I would never abuse my children. I am very fortunate to have had a loving, even tempered mother who raised us with love and caring, despite how our father was. I think that there are those people who are able to overcome their abusive up-bringing whether on their own or through the help of others. Some, however, are not so fortunate, and that is very sad.
Thanks for your response!
@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
13 Jul 08
I would have to say that I do not really know the ratio of older and younger parents to children and the statistics of how much abuse goes on. I can say that these stories you posted are awful situations. It seems to me that when the parent is frustrated it winds up getting taken out two-fold on the child despite the severity of the child's behavior. Alot of times the discipline or abuse is unwarranted. It's really terrible what goes on today. Can you imagine what is also going on in the homes privately between these parents and children? I hate to imagine. I believe that children need love, acceptance and affection regularly.