I went to prison the other day
By lvaldean
@lvaldean (1612)
United States
July 10, 2008 7:35am CST
Yes, I went to prison the other day. I do it often as a speaker in a program called Victim Impact. Never, as long as I live will I understand how anyone can return to prison after being released the first time. The sound those doors make when the clang shut behind you, even when you know that it is just for two hours, well it makes my stomach hurt.
So the prison I spoke at the other day is a minimum security state prison. It use to be a medical care and geriatric facility but it has since been converted. Still has one unit for medical and geriatric but the remainder is for those offenders who have been deemed "low risk" or have less than 5 years remaining on their sentence.
The Victim Impact program is a volunteer program for those that speak. There is only two criteria, one you have to be either a first person victim of violent crime and two you have to be strong enough to talk about it. Most people who speak on in the program are second person victims, meaning that a family member was the victim rather than they themselves being the victim. I am one of the rare ones, I was the victim. We have another group of speakers who are the victims of drunk drivers who I often speak on panels with.
The offenders who participate in the program must make a request through the social worker or chaplin in charge. It is a six week program and the Victim Impact is the last week of the program. The participants do not get yellow stars in their prison jackets for their participation, but hopefully they learn something about empathy and humanity.
I have been speaking for 3 years now and it never gets easier. I speak in Federal, State, and Juvenile facilities. The other day was particularly difficult for me as one of my personal offenders was up for parole. I didn't really have an axe to grind but the discussions certainly brought home to me how much being a victim of violent crime affects my life even now, 16 years later.
So as I walked into the room it was a microcosm of society. There were 48 men seated already. Clearly aligned. In one corner I had the White Supremist, obvious by their tats. In the other corner I had the Black Islamics also obvious by their skull caps and beards. In the back center I had a few Hispanic gangbangers and closer to the front a few Black gangbangers. Scattered throughout the rest of the room were the remainder of the participants white, black, hispanic, asian, and other.
Don't get me wrong there was no obvious tensions just obvious divisions or groupings. After I gave my "speech" there was a lively discussion in which many of the men participated. While they didn't always like my answers they got that I wasn't there to make them feel good but rather to make them think. I pointed out to them that they were divided by their affiliations and the color of their skin and since the crime against me was a racial hate crime they were in fact perpetuating the very thing that created the problem in the first place. That comment created some thoughtful comments.
I do have a point to this little rant and would love some feedback and thoughts.
What do you think can be done within the prison system to manage or eliminate the "racial" affiliations?
Can there be anything done?
What I see in the prisons is an escalation of what is on the streets and in our public schools today. What are your thoughts on this?
2 responses
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
10 Jul 08
Sounds like a great program. You are doing good to pariticipate.
The only way to get the racial division of the streets out of prison would be to cause the various factions to have to unite to confront a common enemy. The most likely enemy for this purpose would be the prison staff.
For the prison staff to survive a united prison population, we would have to go back to paying attention to the fact that prisoners have had due process and are legally deprived of most of their rights.
Instead, today in our prisons, convicts have enough rights that guards are greatly limited as to what they can do. Go back to allowing guards to have a freerer hand in punishing convicts and even ban convicts from bringing lawsuits. Sure, have some oversight, but no lawsuits.
When the prison staff has the authority and the ability to effectively control the prisoners, the prisoners will not need the protection of gangs to protect themselves from others.
Yes, the result of all the molly coddling and lawsuits against prison staff is that gangs exist to a certain degree for prisoners to be able to protect themselves.
Give the guards authority to shoot a convict beating or raping a fellow convict and the need for gangs will decrease while prisoners also unite to deal with the guards.
This is not a pretty picture, but it is what it would realistically take to eliminate the racial division in prisons.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
10 Jul 08
I don't disagree with you entirely. I suspect the problem is that there is such a fine line. The old saying that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely", is never more true than in the prison system.
This is true whether we are discussing the power of the guards or that of those at the top of the food chain within the prisoner ranks. There is a definite chain of command within system and you can see it even in the programs that I volunteer in, which only those that have made progress in rehabilitating themselves are allowed into.
One of the discussions I had the other day was with the obvious "leader" of the Muslim faction. He is clearly intelligent and clearly well read. Probably in his late 40's early 50's. Doing a life sentence for murder and will be unlikely to ever make parole, has been in for 20 years already. He wanted to move the discussion to the problems with society and the racial injustice of slavery and how that is the reason why he and his "brothers" were serving time.
I don't buy this. I buy personal choice. Personal responsibility. Personal accountibility. Historical injustice is a fact and I get this but it does not account for the personal choice to walk away from your children, it doesn't justify taking a life in anger, it doesn't validate the decision to commit crimes simply because you choose. That was something he didn't like hearing. I went on to say that once on the inside it remains personal choice to either take advantage of rehabilitation or not. The programs are there and paid for by the tax dollars of the very people that have been victimized by his crimes. Again personal choice. Again the choice to remain ignorant or become educated. Again personal choice to remain locked in history or use education as a means to change the future.
Personal choice. Personal redemption. Personal rehabilitation.
Should the guards have more authority? Yes. Should there be more ability to control? Yes absolutely. But it is a fine line. I would not want to see us revert to the past where there was true abuse by those in power.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
10 Jul 08
"He wanted to move the discussion to the problems with society and the racial injustice of slavery and how that is the reason why he and his "brothers" were serving time."
This is the typical mind set of those not wanting to accept responsibility for their actions. This man really does belong in prison. Notice how he was otherwise very intelligent? I've noticed this about many liberals. A high IQ combined with an emotional reaction of denial concerning reponsibility for themselves. Much like highly intelligent children.
As to the guards not committing abuse, watch the movie Bruebaker starring Robert Redord someday to see as bad as it gets. It is based on a real prison in Arkansas. Talking to people who have had relatives and friends there in that prison in the 40's, 50's & 60's, the movie does not do the abuse justice. But the recidivism rate was very low, from what I've heard.
So, yes, let's give the guards more authority, but couple it with some oversight.
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@lyzabelle (1668)
• Philippines
10 Jul 08
You are tough, very brave. As for me I will never have the courage to face those offenders. It will only bring back painful memories. I don't think the prison system is trying to devide them by nationality. Sometimes a person is comportable when he is with his own people. Racial descrimination is a hard problem to tackle to begin with. There's always these feeling inferiority and superiority.
As if our skin color will determine our status in life. If only we are all born with one skin color. Racial descrimination can be eliminated. What really drove this offenders to do crimes is beyond my comprehension.
@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
10 Jul 08
It is not the racial divide in prison so much as the "gang" mentality. If I am able to look at a group of 48 men and identify their "group" then so are others. Within the groupings there is a definity mentality. I understand that some of this is because it provides protection to weaker members, strength in numbers so to speak. However, that says something about the system.
I am clear that I want offenders to pay the full price for their crimes. I had that discussion with one of the members of the audience the other day. I am pretty hardhearted about the issue of crime and punishment. I do not believe that our prisons should be so unsafe though that it should force people into situations where they must choose a gang for protection. This simply creates a position where a person is choosing a criminal enterprise and criminal activity to protect themselves from harm during incarceration. It defeats them.