The Second Commandment

What is it that you don't understand?.

Please explain what your point is. I did not understand what message you were trying to get across.

What was the point you tried to get accross?? Was it that what we do is right or what do we do is wrong.

None of us have ever seen him, but the description of Jesus seems to come through his writings. I never said that the 'likeness of Jesus' was truly HIS likeness. But he was a man in a man's body, similar to those of the men of today. And I suppose people like to see a picture. I don't have one in my house, but I see nothing wrong with having one, as long as you don't worship the picture. Nothing wrong with having a cross, as long as it's not your idol of worship. The main thing is NEVER put anything between you and God.

how do you know that the pictures we see are the ones that bear likeness to jesus. nobody has ever seen him. just from some blood soaked kerchief that was found how can we believe it was his face engraved on it.

Yes, as I said, when we begin to worship and bow down to the image itself, that's wrong... however, just having an image doesn't mean we worship it. There's nothing wrong with having a picture of Jesus or having a cross on the wall or on a chain around your neck, as long as you don't worship it. You said "GOD never said to bow even in front of his son. Or did he. If he did can you show me where in the bible he has said that." Read Philippians 2: 9-11

And is it what we all do. When we pray in front of the potrait of jesus or the cross do we not bow our head. GOD never said to bow even in front of his son. Or did he. If he did can you show me where in the bible he has said that. He has only commanded us that we believe that JESUS was his son and sacrificed his life for us. But as far as I know he has not said anything about workshipping an idol or a potrait of jesus. Correct me if i am wrong.

Thank you for the reply. Coming to it let me tell you the photographs that we keep of our loved one we dont workship them. Secondly what god has said should not change with times, if we change then it means that we are not obeying what he said in the first place. Remember when Moses said that you should not do what the ten commandments said people did and then you know what became of those people who went against them. What wikipedia.org tells is not what god has said. God has his Ten Commandments clearly told that does not mean that we are free to change them as per our wishes. If we want to change them according to our wishes then why believe in those commandments in the first place. Third thing God has said that you should not workship him in any name. But we do workship gods son "Jesus". Show me one place where god said to workship his son?? Thanks again for your reply.

The photographs are just an example of how we do adoration to the signified (loved ones/God and or Christ) and not to the signifiers (photographs/images or sculptures) -- Secondly what god has said should not change with times, if we change then it means that we are not obeying what he said in the first place. Remember when Moses said that you should not do what the ten commandments said people did and then you know what became of those people who went against them. -- Should not change with times? That's a hard one.. since the commandments weren't written in english and the ones right now are just english translations, though they have been translated into other languages as well as time went by. I honestly wouldn't understand anything if it weren't translated to a language I know. Revisions are different from totally changing things. As man progresses his knowledge, which the Almighty happens to have granted man and also an aspect that differentiates man from the other beings that the Almighty created, along with developing knowledge would also be man's language, being further enriched and developed. When the commandments were made, the language was still not developed since the society back then really didn't have to use terms that they really can't apply to their daily existence. That's why if you literally translate the initially written commandments (if ever it is the first, I am not totally sure), you'd end up with words that are just limited with meaning. Along with the progress of man's development would also be his understanding. If we didn't change as we also make changes around us, we'd be taking for granted that privilege that the Almighty granted us along knowledge, which is free will. Perhaps we shouldn't had been granted free will at all so that we'd only just follow what is dictated to us by the 'Almighty' --Third thing God has said that you should not workship him in any name.-- Again with one's interpretation. 'god' by word is a signifier to help us distinguish a Supreme Being that is 'alimighty' and creator of everything. You can actually consider it, by word, as a rank. Then again, recall the Tower of Babel? Okay, the Almighty took it down due to man's ambitious desire to be reach the Heavens, thinking that upon reaching it, they too would be 'gods'. But after destroying the tower, why did the Almighty changed man's language into different kinds? So that they wouldn't understand each other if ever they attempt to build another tower? That inadvertently caused man to worship 'God' in different names, doesn't it? - just taking biblical referrences. About worshiping Christ, or God's Son, again with adoration. Its not totally worshiping just Christ but, it also goes along with worshiping God. Since we only have that concept of the son of God, we refer to the image of God's son upon adoring God. I mean, think about it, wouldn't the son closely resemble his father by any chance? If God was ever described in the Holy scriptures, I bet we'd also see images of God too and not a stereotype of an old wise looking man with white long hair... are we sure of God's gender by the way? I mean, through out history that men were the only ones who could be among the clergy and transcribe the Bible, I'm not saying that its biased but, its possible that they'd refer God as someone who is male. Scratch the Genesis with that 'created man with God's likeness' since to whose likeness did God created women then? Thank you for starting this discussion rather, I never thought that I could share what I have somehow learned in our Theology, classes during college, here in myLot

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