Mandatory VOLUNTERISM? Doublespeak for SLAVERY!

Mandatory volunteering is an oxymoron in itself. It's a complete contradiction. The idea of volunteering is that it's NOT mandatory .. that each person is opting to help out on their own, without pressure or coercion. Making it mandatory destroys that concept, and makes it forced labor instead.

I have no problem with requiring some form of national serice; but, this is above and beyond that. It especially stresses sevice by young people (middle school, high school, and college). These are formative years where they can be easily influenced (ever hear of brainwashing; this is exactly what Hitler did with the German Youth Corp - young people who were ONLY serving their country - read up about them sometime). It also gives college students a $4,000 annual tax credit - most college students don't make enough to pay $4,000 in taxes in a year so this "gives" them something they can't even use. Also, no matter what proof you have; some people will refuse to believe it. That is what happened when President Clinton campaigned and then took office - he said he would make it easier for homosexuals to serve in the military and just a couple of months after taking office he implemented "don't ask, don't tell". The homophobes and religious "Right" who had voted for him were "shocked"; even though, he clearly stated this agenda in some of his speeches. They refused to believe what he said until he implemented it. I just hope enough people wake up to facts before they vote Obama into the White House.

Mandatory volunterism is not voluntering. Nothing you are forced to do is voluntering. How can civil libertarians say they want Obama to become President because he will restore rescept for civil liberties? How does forcing someone to do something restore civil liberties? Why can we not continue to us our military to protect the homefront? Is it just me or does it seem that when a Democrat talks about the military it is always viewed in the light of disgust. The military has for along time have voted Republican, maybe this is the Democrat plan to create a Democrat military.

While I personally believe we should have a form of national service - this goes way above and beyond that. National Service in most countries implies serving 1 - 2 years after finishing school. That is one of th ethings that really worries me about Obama's plan; it is directed at young people in Middle School, High School,and college. These are formative years when young people are easily influenced. What this actually reminds me of is Hitler's "Youth Corp" - young people who are JUST "serving" their country while actually helping to hold the country in a state of terror and submission - you ought to read up on it sometime - this proposal is almost identical. Also, his plan to give the college students a $4,000 tax credit just shows how out of touch he is - most college students don't make enough to pay $4,000 in taxes in the first place! As you have just seen from Ivaldean's post- some people will refuse to believe that he even said these things even when it is right there in front of them and nothing you can do or say will change their belief. That is exactly what happened when President Clinton was running for office. He promised in a couple of his campaign speeches to make it easier for gays to serve in the military. A lot of people either refused to believe he had said it or that he would not follow through on it IF he did say it. But, one of his first acts was to implement "Don't ask; don't tell." All of those "non-believers" were heard from loud and clear after the fact; but, they are the ones who voted him into office. Hopefully enough people will wake up and hear the truth and NOT vote Obama into the Presidency. After he is in office, it is too late.

So lets get a reality check on this one. Obama believes that national service is appropriate. So do I. So do many other countries. Here is a link to the speech and within this link is the link to his actual Volunteer Service Plan. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/02/obama.service I would strongly suggest that anyone interested read the text of the actual plan rather than the conjecture and misquotes. I can't seem to find a credible source for that specific quote.

It's really not a good idea to force people into community service .That's a throwback to the Soviet union.Couldn't the government ASK people to volunteer? You catch more flies with honey than vinegar .

I agree. Obama means forcing you and everyone to volunteer? Are we soon going to see volunteer labor camps ; volunteer teachers; volunteer Spanish teachers; volunteer workforce.. Has Obama completely lost IT? This isn't Kenya!

Yeah, it is true. The words came out his mouth, but you'll never get the supporters to believe it...not if they heard it with their own ears, which they didn't because political speeches are too boring, and choosing a candidate to support is like deciding which socks to wear in the morning. I'm sick of the sheeple. They're going to get us all killed.

Under the right controls and criteria this may be an interesting angle for able bodied people that have been unemployed for an extended period of time? I am not necessarily for "volunteerism" (seems like a pretty convoluted definition to use given the context of his statements) in regards to security or armed forces etc; but volunteerism for long term unemployed in other areas? This could be a productive means of providing skills to people that are currently unskilled or unemployed and may in turn assist many areas in society that need all the help they can get. In a sense having a civilian security force initiative could be a stepping stone to another form of Martial Law if abused. And all it takes is one misguided and somewhat charismatic soul for this to happen!

Obama can be a bit socalist at times. Although I really don't see why people keep tacking in the Hussein part, other than to play on raciest stereo types. Guess we'll just have to start referring to McCain as John Grandpa Simpson McCain if we want to stereo type people.