Do you think this is cruelty to animals?
By spalladino
@spalladino (17891)
United States
July 18, 2008 10:26am CST
I realize that this training is important but I believe that there are other ways to train these personnel without causing the suffering of innocent animals. What do you think?
[i]HONOLULU — The Army on Friday was holding an exercise involving shooting live pigs and treating the gunshot wounds in training it says is critical to saving soldiers' lives but which has sparked outcry from animal-rights activists.
The training, held at Schofield Barracks for Iraq-bound troops, is being conducted under a U.S. Department of Agriculture license and the careful supervision of veterinarians and a military Animal Care and Use Committee, said Maj. Derrick Cheng, spokesman for the 25th Infantry Division.
"It's to teach Army personnel how to manage critically injured patients within the first few hours of their injury," Cheng said of the medical trauma training.
The soldiers are learning emergency lifesaving skills needed on the battlefield when there are no medics, doctors or facilities nearby, he said.
PETA, however, said there are more advanced and humane options available, including high-tech human simulators. In a letter, PETA urged the Army to end all use of animals, "as the overwhelming majority of North American medical schools have already done."
"Shooting and maiming pigs is [as] outdated as Civil War rifles," said Kathy Guillermo, director of PETA's Laboratory Investigations Department.
The Norfolk, Va.-based group demanded the exercise be halted after it was notified by a "distraught" soldier from the unit, who disclosed a plan to shoot the animals with M4 carbines and M16 rifles.
"There's absolutely no reason why they have to shoot live pigs," PETA spokeswoman Holly Beal said.
The bloody exercise, she said, is difficult for soldiers because they sometimes associate the animals with their pet dogs.
Cheng said the exercise is conducted in a controlled environment with the pigs anesthetized the entire time. He had "no doubt whatsoever" in the effectiveness of the instruction, which he called the best option available at the base.
"Those alternative methods just can't replicate what the troops are going to face when we use live-tissue training," he said. "What we're doing is unique to what the soldiers are going to actually experience."
Cheng didn't have details about the number of pigs, how they were acquired or the weapons involved in the training.
The soldiers being trained are with the 3rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, which is deploying to Iraq this year.
"We understand [PETA's] concerns and point of view. At the same, the Army is committed to providing the soldiers with the best training possible," Cheng said.
Disappointed at the Army's decision, PETA on Thursday instructed its 2 million members to inundate the Army with calls and e-mails.
"We're hoping at the 11th hour here that we can have this stopped. We have to hang on to hope," Beal said.
PETA believes the U.S. military has conducted similar training using pigs and goats at other bases.[/i]
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14 responses
@wildplace (154)
• Germany
18 Jul 08
cruelty of animals of course. it is a big YES from me.
Never heard of any other army in the world doing such a thing.
And there is more military in the world than only the one of the US.
So how are these army corps are training their stuff?
For me -using living pigs is just cruelty- and it is a silly argumentation of the army?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
18 Jul 08
I've never heard of anyone anywhere doing something like this and, if someone on the street had told me about it, I wouldn't have believed that the U.S. would be doing something so cruel.
@nova1945 (1612)
• United States
18 Jul 08
This is insane. When medical schools train doctors to treat patients they don't go around shooting people to let them practice their training. I see no reason for this other than the military's method of dehumanizing soldiers so they will do whatever they are told to do without question.
If they continue this practice I hope they at least donate the meat to charity. That doesn't excuse it, but at least some good will come out of their horrendous actions.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
18 Jul 08
I was thinking the same thing about medical schools...they don't intentionally cause harm in order to teach how to heal. It's not humane at all, to anyone involved.
@Annmac (949)
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20 Jul 08
I can't believe any civilised Country should need to use live animals!
Under Aneasthesia or not it's a cruel way for an animal to die.
My husband was in the RAF and was often a 'casualty' on exercises. The injuries weren't real but the treatment he received was assessed and unlike an animal, he was able to tell how he felt.
Our Forces are out there too and they are some of the best trained in the world without the use of pigs.
I've done basic first aid training and rescusitation on dummies and as a care-worker I've needed to use it and any Nurse Doctor Vet Soldier etc would tell you "reality is never the same as 'training'".
It isn't even a realistic situation as men wounded in battle are often going to be conscious and scared and in pain! With all the special effects geniuses out there, I'm sure they could obtain some very realistic dummies.
The soldiers are either going to be distraught because it's an animal, or are going to have to adopt a 'it's only an animal' attitude which won't prepare them for the horrors when the casualties are humans!
@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
19 Jul 08
I find this very disturbing. YES its animal cruelty. I had no idea our army did this. That is awful. I realize we need to train our troops, but I do think they can surely come up with a better way to go about it.
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
19 Jul 08
This is so ridiculous. My son was a Drill Sargent at Fort Jackson In SC. When they would do this type of training they would put The same type of make up on the soldiers as they use in Holly wood. The medic then had to "treat the wounded" No animals were shot nor were any soldiers hurt except maybe by the shots they had to give each other.
@palonghorn (5479)
• United States
19 Jul 08
Oh goody, PETA is at it again! How many of them are willing to volunteer for this training? And I do mean being the 'guinea pig'! If them shooting pigs (which by the way is the closest they can get to humans' is training our military and getting them prepared for what they will face in Iraq then fine, I say do it! If them shooting 20 pigs, saves one of our military men's lives and brings him back home, then it was worth the price of that pig. I wish these idiots would realize how many lives have been saved through medical science and training using animals. I don't think any of them would have volunteered for the testing! I love animals just as much as the next animal lover, but there comes a time when you have to realize that it comes down to saving human lives, the lives of those that are fighting for our country and our freedoms!
Freedom is not FREE!
@alpha7 (1910)
• France
18 Jul 08
Anything that has to be trained has to pass through a process,if the process is done but the the person or animal invoved is still been treated as under training ,it will turn to cruelty and people should be aware of this,even the animal extremists are very guilty when it comes to this cruelty to Men and plants atimes.
@SwtJenlove (1090)
• United States
18 Jul 08
YES!!That is definately wrong. those animals are innocent and didnt do anything to deserve that. I agree that it definately is cruel!
@ErzengelAngelus (115)
• Puerto Rico
18 Jul 08
I am very sensitive when it comes to animals.That is very cruel what they are doing to those innocent pigs.Why don't they just shoot themselves? :(
@triptibaby (691)
• India
19 Jul 08
Yes, I too consider it definitely a cruelty to animals. But, a cruelty if done to protect lives of a thousand others can be pardoned. I too love animals though I am not a animal right activist. While delivering practical knowledges in the classroom or laboratory, many such cruelties are done to animals just to educate the procedures of treatment and surgical methods. This has a big motive. Being cruel to a single animal to educate others, the professors are producing a number of Vets to save lives of animals.
@gabbana (1815)
• China
19 Jul 08
Talk of cruelty, there are no creatures than us humans. we wage wars. we use high-tech to build our globe in the same time destroying it (like weapons).
Have you ever thought of if we were made to compete with a bear to occupy a cave, who will win it? And if we were disabled and captured by animals, should we be boiled, fried, tied up, skinned, tortured in everyway one can think of?
@danimalhite (141)
• United States
19 Jul 08
Seems like to me we could think of other ways. We can put men on the moon, and many other things but we can't find a way to train our soldiers other tahn shoothing pigs. Where i grew up butchering pigs is not a new thing but killing them for pleasure is only sick. What about the soldiers that do this. do they feel like there are properly training practicing on pigs and how do they like that I wonder? Anyway looks like it's us against the man.