How Far would you go for an ex spouse?
By winterose
@winterose (39887)
Canada
July 19, 2008 3:52am CST
Last Sunday Matt and I were supposed to go to dinner together. For those who don't know Matt is my boyfriend and we have been together as a couple for 9 years. We do not live together because Matt is taking care of his mother and this is the relationship we want. Yes we want to get our separate homes for now at least.
Matt is divorced, he has two grown children.
His Ex wife is dying of Cancer, on Sunday she took a turn for the worst and was hospitalized again (she has been in and out of the hospital for over a year now)
The doctors say they cannot do anything for her but give her pain meds at this point.
they said last year she had only six months to live and she has outlived that six months now.
She does not want to see matt, but even more strange she doesn't want to see his mom and they always got along. His mom wanted to go to the hospital but she said no.
She will only see her two children
So on Sunday I call Matt and he is at the hospital, I am surprised because I know she does not want to see him. So he tells me he is in the waiting room just to be there for his kids.
I am not upset he does not see me for dinner, I am proud of the good man that my Matt is.
the question for discussion is,
how far would you go for your ex, even if you never saw your ex, and maybe you don't get along,
would you go see your ex if he or she was dying?
and would you do like matt did just stay in the waiting room so he could be there to console his kids?
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49 responses
@ellie333 (21016)
•
19 Jul 08
I would be there for my children just like Matt was as they would need comforting and support but if my ex wanted me there to I would also go, he was a human being that I loved once and had children with and I would be upset that he was suffering in this way and would do what I could to help wihtout it affecting the love I felt for the person I may be woth at the time this was happening. Most of all though I would be there to listebn and comfort for the children as in my situation it would be their father that was suffering and they would be upset and hurt and would need me. Ellie :D
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
yes I think it is the right thing to do and also it is the right that that the new spouse or girlfriend understands as well.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
22 Jul 08
ellie333, what a kind, gentle person you must be! I feel exactly the same way, he/she was once a person that was part of your life, someone you shared your most private self with, children with! This is a time for forgiving...and comfort!
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@alokn99 (5717)
• India
19 Jul 08
I would probably go that one step further and talk to her with kind words and re assure her about the well being of the kids. I would also do it for reasons of kindness and also to make sure that the person has some pleasant last moments irrespective of the way the relationship ended.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
but you can't because she does not want to see you, if you go it might upset her even more, she refuses to see anyone but her children.
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@KrisNY (7590)
• United States
3 Aug 08
Matt is a good man for that. I know many men who would say to heck with it. She doesn't want to see me- I'm out of it. I also say bravo to you- for not being upset. I know a lot of women would be. To choose their kids with another woman over them. I'm with you- I think it was a wonderful thing that he did. I hope his kids leaned on him. I can't imagine losing my mom- so I know it must be hard. I would like to think I would do the same.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
4 Aug 08
Matt would also understand if it was my ex and I went to see him in the hospital as well. These are just things you do for the dying without worrying about it.
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@bieke81 (1067)
• Belgium
21 Jul 08
It depends what kind of relationship you have with your ex. If you kept a friendship relationship I think you should be there in times of need. It's someone you have spend a part of your life with and with whom you have children. The second question is a yes to. For my children I would be there, even if I didn't have a great relationship with my ex. Luckily I'm still together with the father of my boys, but if I wasn't I would be there to support my children.
Have a nice day
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
27 Jul 08
It is nice to hear that you would be there for your children if that situation ever happened to you.
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@chrislotz (8137)
• Canada
5 Oct 08
I wouldn't go very far for my ex-husbands. Yes I have two of them. But I can tell you a story about my sister and her ex-husband.
She has been divorced form him for about 8 years now and they have two boys together. They are 15 and 14 years old. My sister's exhusband has been diagnosed with cancer and has been fighting it for about 3 years now. He doesn't have a throat anymore and has one of those things in his neck to breathe and talk through. He has a feed bag because he obviously can't eat with no throat.
He is in remission and expected to be there for a few years, as if the doctors know that. So my sister has invited him to move into her basement so he could be with the boys more. I think that is very big of her, putting her own feelings aside for the sake of her boys. Who know how long he will have left to live and so she wants her boys to know their dad better by living with him. It is more convient for him to move into her place than have the boys move to his, also then they wouldn't get to see their mom every day then.
I don't know that I could do what she is doing. But I can't say for sure I wouldn't do the same thing, unless I was in her footsteps, than I can't talk.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
9 Oct 08
yes hon, that was very good of her for sure. She has a good heart your sister, of course it doesn't excuse what he did to her but she still has a good heart.
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@Vladilyich1 (1454)
• Canada
22 Jul 08
I'm very sorry over the situation, especially the cancer for his ex, BUT I think he has gone too far.
Yes, they were married.
Yes, they have a history.
Yes, they have children.
He needs to keep in mind that he now has a partner. He needs to make closer friend with his children so that they will have a small transition to accepting you when their biological mother isn't here any more.
I don't think that visiting without you being present, was a very good idea. It displays more feeling than should be there, even though she has cancer. I would never do that unless my wife was with me. My last two wives both like my current wife and she understands them.
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@danishcanadian (28955)
• Canada
22 Jul 08
I love you too, Walker! I married you because we think the same way. Yes M & M (are we going to call them the M&M's now because their names start with the same letter?) are both nice people, but ALL OF US KNOW where the line is between wife and former wife. That is something I greatly appreciate.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
27 Jul 08
sorry I don't agree with neither one of you, this was an act of love for his kids, if you guys don't understand that level of love, I am sorry. But you are actually the only two dissenters in this entire discussion.
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@danishcanadian (28955)
• Canada
22 Jul 08
I had my definite ideas about this until I read that he was "just staying in he waiting room." That changed thing a bit. "Be there for the kids..." That I can understand.
On the other hand, to cancel plans with you? Um..... Hmmm.... How would I feel if Walker was at the hospital for the kids because one of the exes was dying?
Would one of my parents be there for me if the other parent was dying? I think not!!
ON THE OTHER HAND, if Walker wanted to be there for the kids SEPARATE FROM THE EX-WIFE who was dying, I would be in the waiting room WITH HIM.(that's what I'd do, not what I'm saying everyone must do). He would not ask me to stay away because it's just him and the kids, because I'm his wife now. This woman may be their mother, and they may want his support as their father, as the family, but I am not part of Walker's family, Walker is now part of my family. I woudln't let my family not include him either.
I would be tere for Walker, because though he may not has the same emotional inestment in the situation as the kids would (ex-wie vs. mother), as THEIR FATHER he would still be under a lot o stress, and I would want to BE THERE WITH HIM. One of us would not let the other be excluded.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
27 Jul 08
I am disabled it is too much bother for me to go there,
I was not told to stay away,
but this was for the kids, they mom and their father,
I would not be so selfish and self centered to impose.
I have matt, but this is something even before I came into the picture and that family unit was matt, his ex and the kids,
the ex doesn't even want to see him but being there for the kids meant more to them than anything in this entire world, a girlfriend there or even a new wife would not be the same.
Even if Matt wanted to go in to see I encourage it, I understand, I am not selfish and self centered enough to think only about me, this situation has nothing to do with me, and I would never, never, never, impose myself at a time like that.
If she was well and it was a barbeque or something like that that would be totally different, but the woman is dying, gosh hon, this as serious as it gets, and there a places for me to be and places that unless the kids asked me to be I wouldn't and this is one of them.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
yep I understand where you are coming from,
if my ex was in montreal, I would go though and I have been divorced since 1980, even if my son did not want to go,
I never hated my ex, he was a very sick man,
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@howard96h (11640)
• New York, New York
19 Jul 08
I think that is very nice of him, he is not going to see her because he knows that she doesn't want to see him, he is going to be there to support his children, remember it is their mother who is dying and they need all the support they can get. That is very nice of him to do this for his children.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
yes it is very nice of matt and that is what I said in my discussion but you did not answer what you would do for your ex spouse if this happened
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@howard96h (11640)
• New York, New York
20 Jul 08
Your asking what I would do for my ex if this happened - going to the hospital and waiting in the waiting room to be with "our" children is something I am doing for her (supporting our children). She doesn't want to see me and I don't want to see her either, just by me being there is something I am doing for her and the kids.
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@saivenkaat802003 (4823)
• India
19 Jul 08
Hats off to Matt, really a caring personality. If ever i am in such a situation, i will go and see my ex. Because i feel there is nothing wrong in giving solace to the dying woman. She may refuse to see Matt because her conscience would hurt her, for divorcing a good heart.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
it is important to respect her wishes so so that is what he did, he stayed in the waiting room.
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
19 Jul 08
Yes, I would do just as Matt did for the sake of my kids. I would even go in the room to see my ex if he wanted and respect his wishes if he did not. No matter what or how we feel about each other, he is the father of my children. As for her not wanting to see his mother, well cancer patients are on some very harsh meds. She may not be acting as herself or it could be that she just does not want others to see or remember her as she is now but rather how they knew her. When my mom was dying, she was on some very strong meds and she kind of turned on my brother and niece whom she'd always been very close to. At times she even turned on me. It was pretty hard to deal with but we had to just keep reminding ourselves that she wasn't herself. You have a nice man there winterrose...sounds like a keeper to me.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
thanks you and you are a very kind and wise person yourself.
but you didn't answer the question how far would you go for an ex, would you and them or would you just wait in the waiting room for your kid's sake, or would you not go at all
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@kaysue4 (951)
• United States
20 Jul 08
Well after years of fighting with my first ex we stopped fighting because it would be hard on the kids. He was different after he had a really bad heart attack. We are more of a "family." Will explain this more in a few lines.
Now, there is my second ex. I left him and there were really no hard feelings. I would get mad at him for not seeing the kids and would pop in and out of thier lives every few months and my youngest got to were he was really hating him for that and would refuse to even talk to him or if he did come to see them he would leave for the weekend.
Ok, now to get back and explain were I left off.
Now ALL of us, including hubby number 3, get along with each other. When I have a picnic I will invite them and my first ex will bring his wife also. We sit and talk about anything or about the kids growing up and the stuff that they are doing now. If we need help with something, we call each other.
Now, even with all the fighting that we would do if either of them was in a pinch and had no place to live, they have stayed with me. Years ago I had a three story house and I rented that area to my first ex when I was with my second husband. He had is own entrance and the kids would see him or "spend" the night with him when they wanted in his apartment. Worked for awhile until I was leaving my second ex because of the abuse on my younger two boys. So my exs stayed at the house and I moved to an apartment.
Now, my second ex has a few mental issues of getting a job and then thinking he can do better by doing this or that and then ends up homeless. Now he bounces between my house and my first ex's house.
All of us have limited family or no family at all in this area, so we formed our own strange family. Because of the kids I could never let them really know that thier dad is living in the streets and starving. What kind of lesson would that be to my children?
Now to get back to your question, yes, I would go and sit by my kids and if the ex is dying, his side also. We are all connected to each other because of the kids and even though a couple of them are of age, we still have them together.
I know some couples just never speak to each other at all ever again unless it is the birth of a grandchild or even marriage of that child that they had together, but then there are a few others that can be friendly.
You make your family what it is in the long run. My younger two don't really have any aunts or uncles, so my first exs family is thier aunts and uncles. I tell my kids that family doesn't have to be just blood, it can be others also that you love and care for.
You might be wondering what my currect hubby thinks of all of this, he is fine with it. He has always had family and still does. I go to all of the family picnics and so do the kids. But this part of my hubby's family does not interact with my exs and that is fine because they don't have to really.
Thanks for the question.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
you do have a strange family but nontheless a wonderful family, you are an inspiration to us all,
thank you for posting this and your words of encouragement.
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@kaysue4 (951)
• United States
20 Jul 08
The most important thing to remember is having trust in your current spouse or partner, whatever the other person in your life is.
I have always ask my boys, why can't you all just get along the world would be much better.
There was also a saying that I heard, ask yourself, "Will it matter in five years?" If the answer is No, then don't fight about it, if it will, don't fight, work it out. You might have to walk away and regroup, come back with clearer minds also ready to listen, not talk til the other person is done speaking.
@kaysue4 (951)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I forgot to add that my first ex's parents did pass away and it was hard on all of us because she had a stroke and the family was debating weather to pull the live support or not. It took the family about three days. During that time, for the mom of my first ex, I would stay up at the hospital and when they would go and get something to eat or go down to pray together at the chapel as they were waiting for test results, I would stay in the waiting area and if the doctor came looking for the family then I would go down and tell them that the doctor was looking for them. I was there for support for the whole family and also a part of the family because of the two boys I have in that family. But, they wouldn't let my exs then girlfriend and she had a couple of kids also by him come to the hospital at all and she was claiming that it was no fair and they told her that I am family and she is not welcome.
That was the hardest time in my life. When the family made thier desition and was going into the one room to talk it all out with the doctors and the family had desided to go ahead and pull support from her after some more prayers and they were ready to tell the doc, the doc came in and told them that they didn't have to make the desition any more because she started failing on her own. We were allowed to go in and say goodbye to her.
Her last words before she went into the ambulance was tell everyone that I love them and to take care of my babies.
The hardest part was telling the two boys that Grandma is now in heaven when they are so young.
A year later about the same thing was going on with the grandfather on the same side of the family. This time I took my boys camping and when I got the phone call I had to tell my boys again.
So it is important to be there for your kids and also if you were close to the family, to be there for them, IF they want you there with them.
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@jdyrj777 (6528)
• United States
22 Jul 08
I would walk across the room for my ex s. Considering how sh---y they were to me.
@CharRay7 (1549)
• United States
20 Jul 08
Hi my friend
My ex-husband and I were married for 18 years and have a 25 year old son together. I have been married to my current husband for the past 9 years.
My ex and I still get along quite well even though we don't see or talk to each other very much. He had a bad heart problem that put him in the hospital a couple of years ago. I found out from my son. I talked to his wife and she told me what was going on and that he was going to have to go thru a procedure the next day. I offered to come to the hospital and sit with her if she wanted. My son was able to do that and I didn't go. His wife called me when it was all over and everything went fine.
He is 15 years older than me and in bad health. If he were dying, I would not only go for my son, I would go for myself to see him. If my son needed me for my ex's last hours, I would be there. I see nothing wrong with it and my current husband understands that.
I think Matt is just being a very caring father to his children and a friend to his ex-wife. If she doesn't want to see him and he's there for the kids, that is especially caring. Those are his kids there and you should be proud of the kind of man he is. I'm sure he will always be there for you.
Have a great day,
Char
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
of course I am proud of him, Matt is an exceptional man,
You have a great family there too, it is so nice when ex's can get along
@sunshinelady (7609)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I think your Matt is one special guy. He is wanting to be at the hospital so his kids can lean on him in their time of sorrow. There are not a lot of people who would do this. His relationship with his kids must be special. I can not say what I would do. I don't have a ex and so I can not even think in the terms you are talking about.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
thank you for your response, yes it would be very hard to know what to you would do if you really didn't have a spouse
@suruchi86 (1873)
• India
20 Oct 08
I'm sooo... sorry for coming in so late. I would always like to see the person who is going to die very soon. So even if my ex would have not liked, I would have gone to see her, like Matt.
@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
20 Jul 08
well i'd say it's a good thing he is doing. she may be his ex wife but they have shared a lot of things. being there for his children is necessary too. to see their mother dying can be a really traumatic experience. knowing that Matt is outside somehow provides them the link to the real world.
even if it's just an ex boyfriend, i'd pay him a visit. not matter what had happened, we've share happy moments and true feelings for each other. cheers ;p
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I would do about anything for my ex. We just weren't meant to be together and he could live with me if he didn't have a place to go--which may just happen eventually, the way he spends money. I no longer hate him, thank goodness, and he gave me two wonderful children so I'd do anything I could for him.
You Matt is a rare and special man.
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@Rzelikman (141)
• United States
20 Jul 08
I think what Matt did was the right thing to do. Even though his ex-wife did not want to see him that didn't stop him from being there for his kids. IT was a hard time for everyone. I am sure that it was very hard for Matt knowing that is ex felt so stongly about now wanting to see him but I am sure by being in the hostpital he was doing in end by just being there. His support towards his kids shows exaclty what kind of person he is and its awesome!
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@prncesfrmheaven (452)
• United States
20 Jul 08
Hey winterose, your Matt sounds like a very special person. Not many people would do things like that. I personally would definitely be there for my ex husband if he needed me to be. I haven't seen him in 6 years and he is remarried and has children but if for some reason he needed me I would definitely try to help in any way I could. An ex spouse is someone you shared part of your life with and for whatever reason it did not work out. I know alot of relationships end badly, which is very unfortunate. I am lucky my ex and I did speak and he would always go check on me after our divorce was final. I remember specifically him already dating the girl who he would end up marrying and me dating what would end up being my second husband, he would go to my job and check on me every day. He would constantly tell me that I should give my "boyfriend" a chance because he knew people who knew him and they told him that this guy loved me. It was really difficult because at that time I was still in love with him. So I am glad that it didn't end badly and I do think if I needed him that I could contact him for help.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 Jul 08
It is absolutely wonderful as well that you are able to have such a good relationship with your ex husband, wish every good it would make things so much better for everyone.
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