What to do with my 4 year old??
By Kat4676
@Kat4676 (474)
United States
July 21, 2008 3:54pm CST
I know there are quite a few parents on here. I have a dilema and am not sure what to do.
My four year old son is out of control. He has gotten onto the kick of name calling, saying hurtful things and hitting. He just will not listen to me and I am at my wits end.:( I have tried explaining to him that what he is doing is mean and it hurts other people. He will listen to his Dad most of the time but with me I am not sure if I am just not strict enough? I have tried time outs, corners, taking his games away and even not letting him go play in the pool.
Please help!
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@LadyStrawberry (173)
• Slovenia
22 Jul 08
Hm. What situations does he do this in?
Could you take notes & write down? Keep a journal of his behaviours...? Maybe you'll see a pattern.
Is he jealous of his sisters? Do the sisters (or other kids) maybe treat him unfairly?
A neighbours' kid was very stubborn & tiresome from 4 up. He was the youngest of 4, & had 3 older sisters, but he seemed quite spoilt... & 'had to have his way' (although totally adorable!!)
What seemed to work best was distraction... eg, if a bunch of kids quarreled for who gets to be on the swing, & when, it was best to distract them with a completely different activity. 'Look what I found!' (I improvised, I found a flower & a bug, & some garbage, & before you know it the kids had cleaned the lawn, had a lot of fun, learnt which items are recyclables & compostables & which aren't, & begged 'when would we do it again!' lol)
Also, maybe he acts out if he gets bored? Maybe the 'big ones' don't want to deal with him, cause he's too small, & include him into their games, or he wants to play different, 'boy' games... Or maybe he got teased for being 'girly' by some other boys... (?)
You could brainstorm together for a solution to this problem.
If it's cause he gets bored, brainstorm together what he could do at this time instead? He can give some suggestions, you give some, & you write them down on a piece of paper. Then you can evaluate them together, & of course you have the final say in this! But you'd be surprised what kids can come up with!
It would be good to get to the bottom of this behaviour, & find out what it's all about. So when he calms down, & you calm down, you could try to talk to him, calmly, how it hurts other people when he does it, & ask him if he was angry or something? & that it's okay to tell you're angry with words, not with fists. Let him show you how angry he is with his hands.. Or draw how angry he is... (provide lots of newspaper paper & crayons, & safe place to draw or rip paper) Maybe you could teach him the 'silent scream'? (He can scream as much as he wants, but it has to be silent...-This may get kids tempted to 'try' & shout, tease you.. but at least the situation may become a bit more manageable..)
I also recommend a book by Elaine Mazlish: How to Talk so Kids Will Listen
Basically, try to acknowledge his feelings, say things like, 'Ooh, I can see you're really angry/furious/upset.. Can you tell me about it? What made you so upset?' If he seems to upset, maybe ask him to show you with his hands, how upset he is.. This way he'll see you're taking his emotions seriously..
Encourage calm talking instead of fighting..
There are other great books on talking to kids etc too, you could check your local library what they have.. The Nanny 911 series or such are really good for this sort of thing too, try to watch if you can. They're dealing with exactly this sort of behaviour, many times, & causes may be varied, but almost always parents don't really know how to properly talk & listen to their kids & show them respect & proper boundaries.
I also recommend 'good consequences' - eg 'We'll play Scrabble/have dinner/go outside & play (or whatever he likes) immediately when you calm down & we can all play...' (but try to not use it as a 'reward' of bad behaviour) Do make sure you have structured fun/play time together when he behaves well too.. & praise him specifically for what he does well..
Good luck with it all!!
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@Kat4676 (474)
• United States
22 Jul 08
Thank you very much! I will check out some of these books at the local library and try some of the things they say as well as what you have said.
You have some very good ideas and please feel free to keep them coming here in a discussion or even message me if you find anything else.
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@LadyStrawberry (173)
• Slovenia
30 Jul 08
Thanks for 'besting' me! :)
Did you manage to get any cool books on this yet? :)
& how is it going with your kiddie? kids at this age can be really great, very imaginative, into storytelling & silly rhymes & poetry too...
So maybe make sure to have some 'special time' with him too.. & maybe choose or make up stories of 'brave knights who learnt to make friends with dragons' or such.. :) basically interweave wished & admired 'noble' behaviour into stories.. :)
@LadyStrawberry (173)
• Slovenia
30 Jul 08
Another thought. Do you sometimes smile or look indecisive when you 'discipline' him..? If you say something but your body language says something else, the kid may get confused, & not really 'get' the message.. That's why I recommended seeing some videos like the Nanny series too... To be firm but persistent, & never just 'promise' things, but also carry them through.. (it's better to say nothing than vague 'promises'/consequences you don't stick to..)
Also, it would be good to cut down on sugar & such.. Unhealthy food with a lot of food additives & sugar can make kids hyperactive & 'act out'...
@twilight_75 (479)
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21 Jul 08
he's testing the water, it very hard but you have to be calm and firm without being too hard. It sounds like your doing the right things, just try not to give in and when he's calmed and you got to apologise give him a cuddle and let him play. kids will sense it if you are getting frustrated and they play up more. You'll be fine, its a phase
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@Kat4676 (474)
• United States
21 Jul 08
I hope this phase doesn't last too much longer. He ended up giving my 10 year old daughter a good lump on the head today and I made him sit on the couch but he just would not say sorry to her. After about 20 minutes of sitting there I just let him get up and go play.
@twilight_75 (479)
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21 Jul 08
you shouldn't give up, he'd want up sooner or later wouldn't he, giving up is giving him the control. It really wouldn't take more than a few times before he'd take it on board. Make a big deal out of the good things he does, with kids any attention is good attention as far as their concerned, so we need the focus put on the attention for the right reasons.
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@proudmammabear (556)
• Canada
22 Jul 08
yes but easier said than done....sometimes it is easier to give in, not right, but more peaceful!
I don't believe in forcing appologies to be given though...I usually wait until things are going smoothly before I tell mine that hitting and name calling hurts people but in the immediate time, corner, nose to the wall, with a FIRM "WE DON'T HIT" then "YOUR HERE TILL I SAY YOU CAN COME OUT"
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
21 Jul 08
That's a tough one. Few years ago the recommendation may still have been to wash out his mouth with soap,lol. Anyhow, you need to be really strict with this one. He is four, he can take a day of grounding to his room. And what works with ours is the cleaning job like scrub the bathtub, a wall, part of the kitchen floor.... sounds harsh but it gives them time to think about what they did. At four he can scrub a couple of tiles or get some scratches off the wall... Eventually the thread of having to do that will stop mischief, at least in our house;)
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@Kat4676 (474)
• United States
21 Jul 08
I wish I could do that with him lol but, my luck either the bathroom floor or whatever else I have him clean would be worse. More than likely he would end up flooding a room of the house. He is a very rebellious little boy. I will try to get him to do something like that but, supervised and not with someone in a different rooom lol.
Thank you very much I will try these ideas and see what happens.
@starchild2230 (71)
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22 Jul 08
What to do with your four year old......sell the child for a lot of cash and enjoy the holiday.
Just kidding. Time outs work, you just need to be patient. When on a time out, using a naughty step etc, do not, do not, do not speak to the child. No explanations, nothing. If the child moves out of the time out area, take him back without a single word, even if it takes hours.
After the time out, and after an apology, give a cuddle. And when he is being good tell him what it is he is doing good and give love to him.
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@Kat4676 (474)
• United States
22 Jul 08
I just want to say "Thank You" again to all of you for your info and help. I put a plus rating on all of you for good ideas.
It can get really frustrating some times and I will try everything here over and over until I finally get him on the right track. :)
@sweetierook (311)
• United States
22 Jul 08
My advise to you is to do what you say and say what you mean. If you do NOT want your son to grow up not respecting you and acting like a wild child you must take a bull by it's horns and make the change. Do somthing before the situation esculates. For Example: if you have problems with him throwing a fit before you go into the store. Before you get out of the car...have a calm discussion that there will be no treats bought today unless you behave the whole time in the store. If you do behave we will pick somthing out when it is time to go. Do not ask me if it is time to go or you lose the treat. If you do not behave in the store, you will lose the treat and when we get home you will also go to bed. Make this understood before entering into the situation. When you go in the store at the first sign or trouble remind him of the talk. Do not wait until there is a big problem. If it continues, follow through with what you have said. Do not argue or bargin with him. YOU are in control!! If you think about it this way... If your son continues to act out inappropriatly, people will begin to dislike being around him. I am speaking frankly because I have been through it. I feel like if I do not treach my child to get along with others and to act in a way that does not make people dislike him.... Well, then it is my fault that no one likes him. That may sound harsh but if you think about it- Our duty as a mother is to teach and dicipline as well as love. We are responsible to do that for our children. Don't let him down.
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@Kat4676 (474)
• United States
22 Jul 08
Thank you very much. I don't normally have a problem with him when going to a store it is mostly at home. He just doesn't seem to want to listen to me. At first I was thinking it's because I am "Mom" and he is with me all day and doesn't have to. Yet, when "Dad" gets home from work he will listen to him without a problem.
Maybe it is an issue with something else, I am not sure. Today he seems to be doing great and listening to me. He hasn't tried anything drastic yet.
Thanks again
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