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Question on Buying A House - How Much Do You Offer? - Do You Offer More or Less?
By schulzie
@schulzie (4061)
United States
July 22, 2008 6:42pm CST
Ok everyone, I have a question for you all. I have bought two houses in the past and feel that I was taken advantage of with the purchase price. So, my question is this:
When you see a house that you love and you are ready to buy it becasue you just love love love it, how much do you offer? Let's say for discussion sake the house is $100,000. Not that there are that many for that price anymore, lol!
So, say the house is $100,000. Do you offer the seller $100,000 or do you offer a lower or higher amount? If it is lower, how much of a percent can you knock off of the price. I mean I wouldn't want to insult the seller, but I don't want to be taken advantage of any more.
Please any help out there would be so appreciated. We are planning on selling our house soon and then getting another one so I really need to figure it all out. I know we will really not be making too much of a profit if any on our current house with the current housing situation in this country.
So, please if you have had any experience with making offers or have any suggestions or tips to pass along - please share with me.
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Thanks so very much for your help! Have a nice day and happy myLotting![/b]
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16 responses
@schulzie (4061)
• United States
23 Jul 08
Man, I really wish I had asked this question about 10 years ago!
No, seriously I really do wish I had asked it earlier. You learn as time goes on and you get older and wiser. Thanks for that information. When we moved into our present house the kitchen was just atrocious and the rood had a leak in two areas. Of course we didn't know about the roof until about 1 month later when it rained for the first time. I am going to be so picky this next time it is not even funny.
Thanks so much for your advice. I really do appreciate it!
Have a great day and happy myLotting!
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@missybal (4490)
• United States
23 Jul 08
Insult the seller???
That is what real estate agents say all the time.. you don't want to insult the seller... well you got to look at the market. Today's market I'm sorry but if they want to sell their house they will have to come down on the price. You got to look at the houses listed in the area and then what they have sold for recently... a good agent will tell you what houses in the neighborhood sold for. If they don't find another agent. A lot of people selling their houses bought at the bubble when times where very good so they will not get that back many times if they must move during these hard times. You need to look at structural problems... so many times these sellers have dressed up their house to sell but I have found foundation issues and roof issues and the fact there is all old windows. You joke that you can't get a house under $100,000 but in my area you can get a very good one for that price. In fact I put an offer in for only $55,000 on one house. The house looked picture perfect with pergo flooring and new carpet and new paint on walls new tub and toilets and real clean... the down fall the foundation was starting to crumble. The roof was 20 year old, and all windows were old... It would cost me $15,000 to $20,000 to do just these main necessities and there was no way with how small a yard this house came with and the street it was on that I could get $70,000 to $75,000 out of it. If the work you see costs more than you can get after doing the work you do not want the house. It was hard to walk away because it had a lot I wanted but a lot was what I'd want to rip out anyways... they put carpet over the most beautiful wood floors and put the prego flooring above the old flooring and cut antique beautiful carved oak doors to fit it... made me want to cry. The house is still on the market today 6 months later and I still have given them the best offer they have ever gotton. Don't be pulled in by agents saying you need to jump now. They are out to make money too... this of course depends on the area you are looking in. Some areas the market is still booming but for most it is on the decline. Look on how long the average house has stayed on the market. Start at eh accessed value of a house but do keep in mind that most assessments are made based on the outward appearance. So don't think if it's assested at that that that is what it is worth... you need to be willing to walk away otherwise you will be taken advantage of.
As far as selling your house... clean is the game... no bright colors keep it neutral and staging very important. You don't want to over price your house if you want to sell now.. If you can wait to sell try for more and be open to offers... but don't be so high it will scare away buyers. Look at your area, go to other open houses and don't believe what the agents say... it's all business. Some convince their home owners that their house is worth more than it is and when they don't get it they deny offers they should have taken... like the offer I gave that the owners now asked if I would come back to it but I've moved on to better houses at what I offered them. You don't want to deny $150,000 because you wanted $155,000 just to find out 6 months down the line that no one else will offer better than $145,000. So really do the research... do not depend on agents. Bad agents are the reason why houses are staying on the market for years in my area. Always low ball when offering... They can counter... the likely hood of a second offer before you can get in the next are low in this market (again I dont' know yours), but you can always find another and I'm glad some of mine that I really had my heart set on fell through. They required too much work and I got smarter as I went along.
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@missybal (4490)
• United States
23 Jul 08
Good tip..
Before making an offer or upping an offer, you can ask contracters to give you estimates on how much it would take to repair roof or to fix foundation and they tipically will not charge you. This way you get an idea on the repairs you need to make without paying for that inspection after they except an offer that ends up being more than what the house is worth. After my last offer on a house I had a contracter give me an estimate and it was $8000 on the foundation and $7000 on the roof and I knew I offered too much already and I was not comfortable with that even anymore and they still wanted more money than that. You can also include these estimates in future offers as an explaination as to why you are offering what you are offering and it may help people realize they should sell and most times they prefer to sell as is and not have to do more repairs in order to sell although you can put it in the contract that they must fix this or that... it's more profitable for you to fix expecially if you are handy.
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@schulzie (4061)
• United States
23 Jul 08
Thanks so much for your very in-depth answer. This has answered many questions I have. I got into a crappy deal with my present house so I have learned a life lesson there. Should I hire an inspector myself to tell me what is wrong or ok with the potential new house? I want to make sure that it is a thorough inspection and I am not being lied to.
Thank you again so much for your advice - I appreciate it!
Have a great day and happy myLotting!
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@missybal (4490)
• United States
23 Jul 08
I would suggest you get a full inspection before finalizing on the house. It's just easier if you use the contractors to give you an idea with their estimates on cost of repairs so you don't start off by offering too high to start with. You wouldn't want to put an offer in for $150,000 and they approve just to get to the inspection and after finding out all the repair costs wish you hadn't gone above $140,000.
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@zeloguy (4911)
• United States
24 Jul 08
[i]This is a very complicated question... how much to offer on a house. First things first... find out WHY the house is being sold... are the people just moving on up to a larger house... do they NEED to move because of a job sending them somewhere else, divorce, forclosure, etc....
If the people NEED to sell the house then you can low-ball them... any offer that has not been trumped by a higher offer is a legit offer... and even a lower offer can be a legit offer as well.
If you have found THE HOUSE then I would still advise to offer less but still do your homework... if you are bidding against yourself and the people in there NEED to move there is no reason giving them their asking price... if there are other parties involved you need to know how far you are willing to go (how much you are willing to pay) and then go back and forth with them.
I had a house that the guy wanted what he wanted... it was a great price but I still wanted a couple grand off... he wouldn't budge on the price and I was the one that lost out so you need to know. Also have your real estate agent do a CMA (Comparative Market Analysis) of the neighborhood so you know that you are not 'getting taken' and that you are paying the right amount of money for the area where the house is!
Hope that helps a little[/i]
Thanks
Zelo
@zeloguy (4911)
• United States
26 Jul 08
[i]They may be able to lie to their realtor and there is really nothing that can be done about that; HOWEVER, there is a LEGAL OBLIGATION to answer all questions truthfully... if there is anything wrong with the house it needs to be passed on (say the house needs a new roof and the previous owners knew about it).
I REALLY think that right now is a great time to buy a new house... everything in the house is new (including a lot of times appliances and the such) and home builders are HURTING bad and and are throwing in everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink.
Remember it takes YEARS for a developer to get a community going which means loans and plans for building houses were taken out quite a while ago and they just can't stop... the only thing they can do is build at cost or a little below cost and get out with what they can get.[/i]
Thanks
Zelo
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@schulzie (4061)
• United States
26 Jul 08
Thank you for the tips! I thought about that - the reason why they are selling. But I mean, they could lie to their realtor also. But then again, you never know.
My other pickle is selling my house I have now first. That's going to be fun!
Thanks for your answers!
Have a nice day and happy myLotting!
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
23 Jul 08
i dont know if this will help. you need a really honest good real estate person. i got the best last time. but this is a mobile home with built on florida room. they wanted $ 29,000/ he said offer less. i offered 25. my bank stepped in and said after the appraisal and inspection it was only worth 19. and then only if they fixed a couple small things. they did and finally came down to 19. but then i found out that there was 3,000 closing! i said forget it, i cant pay that and they offered to split closing. any way, come to find out it was sitting here for 7 yrs on the market. it might help to know how long they've been trying to sell. the bad thing for me is, id had to sell a 140,000 house for 67,000. because it was a rush. :((
not cool, huh?
@schulzie (4061)
• United States
23 Jul 08
OMG! I am so sorry to hear about you having to sell your house so much lower than what it was worth! That is not cool at all!
Well, thank you for your advice. I wonder if I should hire my own inspector to come in. On this last house I bought I just used the inspector that the seller hired. Big mistake I think because there was lots of stuff wrong here.
Oh well, live and learn.
Have a great day and happy myLotting!
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
24 Jul 08
well. my bank hired the inspector. yes, i would think its not good to trust the sellers inspector.
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@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
23 Jul 08
Hi schulzie,
I bilt (not by myself...) my hause, so I pay for what i put in it, but in your case i would say that you have to offer from 10 to 15 percent less that the value is..15 is maybe better so that after you meet the seller by 10% that i think is good for both..have a nice day you to
Nun
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@schulzie (4061)
• United States
23 Jul 08
Thank you so much! I would love to be able to have a house built to my specifications but I think that would end up being more expensive than just buying one already built.
I think offering 15% less is a great idea! Thanks again for your advice!
Have a nice day and happy myLotting!
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@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
23 Jul 08
The answer is - it depends. If the house is 100% perfect but the market doesn't say $100K, I wouldn't offer that; if the house needs repairs, I would offer $100,000 then put in a credit request for all repairs needed. Odds are they put those up for more than it worth, so you need to know the market. If the houses in that neighborhood are selling for less, then you should offer less. If the like your offer, they will counter it.
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@ebsharer (5515)
• United States
29 Jul 08
I see that you already received very good responses, but I thought I would still put my 2 cents in. When we found our house we wanted it. We knew that there hadn't been any offers and that it had been on the market for a while, so we were in a good position. My real estate agent told me that the house was orginally X amount it had gone down by $17K since it had been on the market. We offered even less then that. Our offer was $7K less then the current asking price PLUS the seller was to pay ALL closing costs. He accepted the offer with the stipulation that we take the house as is. Which was fine with us with the stipulation that we were getting a home inspection and if any thing was to cost over $10K we would not be taking the house. Every one was happy. Honestly I think I could have even done better then that BUT oh well. Whats done is done.
My suggestion to you is be sure your real estate agent is NOT the sellers agent as the sellers agent is for the seller not for the buyer. Make sure your agent is knowledgable in all things like how long has the house been on the market and what did they originally list the house at. Have fun I can't wait to get a new house ours is going up for sale SOON!
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Aug 08
You need to get the house thouroughly checked out first and then get a valuation from an expert in the field. A house's value will be reflected in the position, current trends like interest rates and the value of the dollar. Is the home structurally sound, are there any visible repairs necessary, does it need a paint job or money spent on it to bring it up to standard? What are the houses worth in that area? Does this home fit in with other houses in the area? (If it's a better home in a poorer neighbourhood, that will lower the value - if it's a poorer home in a better neighbourhood that gives you an good incentive to spend money to improve it). Never, ever, pay more than you can afford...or borrow more than you can afford to repay...factor a margin of error into your repayments so you can stay ahead of any interest rate increases and come out way ahead and saving thousands because you are repaying your loan more quickly. Even $10 a week can make a huge difference. Leave emotions out of the equation. If you can't get a reasonable response from the vendor, be prepared to walk away.
I would offer a fraction below what the house is "worth"...on $100000, offer say 9o,000. Be honest and fair and if you think the agent or vendor is not being up front with you...walk away. Make sure you get pest inspections done and building inspections done. That way if repairs are needed you can stipulate that you want the work done or that those repairs can come off the purchase price. It will cost you for the inspections but it's worth it. I'm sure there are sites on-line that can give you better advice than I can. I was ripped off when I bought this house because I trusted my agent and he didn't really care....I overpaid for this house. I've been cheated before too when I have sold and bought houses. I trust people and I'm honest. Unfortunately, not everyone is like that. Good luck.
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@underdogtoo (9579)
• Philippines
23 Jul 08
Let me cite an experience I had about buying a horse. A house is not a horse, I know but it is such a good analogy. My friend asked me to look around for good deals on horses and I found two good ones for thirty-seven thousand pesos. He got very excited and came over on the overnight ferry to close the deal. He came dressed up like a cowboy dude and showed his enthusiasm for horses and how he wanted to really buy those two horses. One look at him and the horse owner said those horses were not for sale, that his son was mistaken about those horses which completely flabbergasted my friend who now proceeded to be reeled in by an expert angler. He ended up paying sixty thousand pesos for a couple of horses I could easily have bought for him at thirty-five thousand pesos. Go figure.
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@snowy22315 (179715)
• United States
23 Jul 08
I think you should always offer slightly less than the asking price. My house now I only offered 4,000 less than the asking price but I probbly could have gotten it like for 10,000 less. I wanted to offer a fair price but I could have probably offered 5,000 less and not felt guilty about it. In today's market I'm sure you could offer almost whatever you want to.
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@meiyeec511 (405)
• Malaysia
23 Jul 08
I think you should put a budget for yourself, if it's over the budget too much, then better don't get it.
If the house condition is very good and the price just over your budget a bit, I think it's worth to buy.
You have to consider overall about the house when you buy the house.
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@mommyathome (98)
• United States
23 Jul 08
I would offer anywhere between $10,000 - $15,000 thousand less than the asking price. This gives you some room to increase the offer if necessary. With the market as bad as it is tight now, you may get lucky and the seller accept your first offer! Good Luck!
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@chingbeem (910)
• Philippines
23 Jul 08
my husband and i have purchased several properties because his work requires him to be relocated in about 4-5 years.he doenst want to rent.he purchase a house then sell it when we need to move again.of course, u must gain profit from selling a property. thats the mai purpose why one buys...to sell for profit..how we do it? find out the existing lot rate in the area. i just dont know if this goes the same in your place...like in our village, lots costs,$150/square meter...our property is 300 sq mtrs...we compute.thats for the lot.then,we estimate the value of the house...so the house must be in a very good condition...we see to it the the price is reasonable but we still have profit...we have a house rented too...you can earn more if you'd rent it out,though must be very strict with rules to maintain the house well
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@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
26 Jul 08
That is always the Good question indeed. We are in that very process right now, as we have our Condo up for Sale, and have looked at and found something we like. We went and looked at it a second time, and going to be talking with our Realtor in a couple of hrs. about making an offer, etc. and finding out what we need to do next. So, I will be reading some of the many responses myself as well.
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