Oprah the Antichrist?!
By shewolf52002
@shewolf52002 (1214)
United States
July 22, 2008 9:14pm CST
Have you seen this video? I was shocked and appalled! For those who dont know Oprah says from her own lips that God was created in the image of man! She explains that this is her favorite quote from a new book that she has added to her book club. The other statement she made that I found unbelievable is how can Jesus be the only way! What!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seAPQWihNO&feature=related
Ok I understand that there are many beliefs but I do not believe you can claim a religion then quote anti sentiments toward that belief? That would be like a muslim saying I am a muslim but Jesus is the messiah. Never gonna happen nor would any one believe that the person was a true muslim.
What do you think?
Please be respectful to each other, answer this question realizing Oprah claims christianity as her belief and that is the objection I have.
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9 responses
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Jul 08
I'm happen to be a great fan of Oprah's...I think the book you're referring to, is Eckhart Tolle's A New Earth, which I have read and loved. I have read many similar type books that are of a metaphysical or spiritual level, and many of the things he says and of which Oprah says is nothing new, but the concepts have been around for eons.
First, while I know there are Christian sects that believe that only by Christ can you gain salvation and enter heaven, I don't particularly believe in this...this would be a total slap in the face to ALL other people who are of different religions and don't believe in this concept that ONLY through Christ can you enter the kingdom of God--what about other Christians who don't believe this way, what about muslims, jews, buddhists, hindus, and those of us who follow the old pagan/wiccan ways
First let me give you a rundown of my beliefs...my mother was raised a strict Catholic and from what I understand, in the Catholic religion is the belief that only they will go to heaven...she married my father...a Methodist. I was baptized Catholic. I was later confirmed Protestant however. Due to my great-grandmother, also a strict Catholic, she was nonetheless open minded and read into other ways of thought...that is how she got into Unity and Science of Mind principles which are non-denominational...so therefore I too grew up in those concepts as well. I later studied into Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufism for my own personal knowledge. Then some six years ago I began reading into pagan/wiccan principles and follow that path in life...yet I haven't forsaken my Christian beliefs.
Oprah is a very devote Christian...but she too I would imagine is very open minded and recognizes other paths of religious principles and not just ONE way.
I'm sorry, but to my mind, anyone who thinks their way is the only way to enlightenment, salvation or being able to go to heaven is very close-minded. As spiritual beings we are God...we have God or the creator within us...it takes a LOT of reading and being open-minded to reading other ways of thinking to get and understand some of these principles...I thank God that when I grew up, I didn't have religion crammed down my throat and was allowed to explore other ways of thought...I just wish others would do the same
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Jul 08
PS--I just had to add here..Since I have Tolle's book...I can give the exact quote to you that you are referring to...since I think you took it out of content.
And so religions, to a large extent, became divisive rather than unifying forces. Instead of bringing about and ending of violence and hatred through a realization of the fundamental oneness of all life, they brought more violence and hatred, more divisions between people as well as between different religions and even within the same religion. They became ideologies, belief systems people could identify with and so use them to enhance their false sense of self. Through them, they could make themselves "right" and others "wrong" and thus define their identity through their enemies the "others." the "nonbelievers" or "wrong believers" who not infrequently they saw themselves justified in killing. Man made "God" in him own image. The eternal, the infinite, and unnameable was reduced to a mental idol that you had to believe in and worship as "my god" or "our god".
Interpretation: Yes you can view that man DID make God in his own image according the to dogma, and doctrines of that particular belief system and therefore allowed mankind to do many of the negative acts against mankind according to that particular religious beliefs....How many times in the past did wars start (like the Crusades) under the banner of God or Christ? Did God really sanction these acts of war? Of course not...but due to the religious beliefs it justified the acts of war
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Jul 08
PS again..you can find that quote on page 15 of A New Earth of Tolle
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@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
28 Jul 08
Not to start yet another "fight" in this disscussion but to point out a fundamental truth. Christian means follower of Christ period. If you follow someone especially your messiah then you accept his teachings, all of them. His own words on the subject were that there was no other way to the Father ie.. God and Heaven. These are not my words they are his. I can not claim to be a Christian or follower of Christ as Lord and Savior and then say oh but I disagree with..... (fill in the blank). You would not find a Muslim who said the did not believe the words of Allah? Nor will you find a Jewish person who claims the deity of Christ nor would anyone expect them too. So why should Christians have to accept words that are absolutely contrary to the words of their Lord? According to the bible man did not create God it was the other way around and as christians or proclaimed christians this is the book of our faith why would we doubt its authority?
I understand that others believe other ways that is fine but anyone who claims to be a follower should agree with what they are following? Right?
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@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
23 Jul 08
The problem with Harpo is she's very influential, she almost bets on people doing what she says or recommends. I think she tossed her million dollars into B.O. campaign and now she probably been directed to keep up appearances for his sake to make herself look more popular. I don't look for any political leader, television personality or TV preacher to show me the way. She can claim whatever she wants but if she leads people astray she'll be the one who has to answer for it. Her handlers obviously are too scared to tell her she's wrong but she's almost become as messianic as B.O., watch him pick her as a V.P., then we'd all know the end of the world was coming soon.
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@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
24 Jul 08
As always fiddleplayer your cooler head prevails. lol I love your perspective and how you read my post and got what I was trying to say. As I look at it now it was well laid out and sounded more misleading than I thought.
Once again I bow to your superior speaking skills!
@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
24 Jul 08
Thanks and thanks for the best response. I know where you were coming from and I don't try to start a discussion within a post. I think most people see Harpo and B.O. as one in the same. If it feels good then do it, they don't think about the reprocussions if something goes wrong, they believe in good intentions, I believe the road to hell is paved with those actions.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
26 Jul 08
The url is wrong. So I could not open it. I do not know if she is the antiChrist. From what I read in the Bible, the antiChrist is a he and he is so charming and can mesmerize people in believing what he does. He also can influence nations and be able to raise up armies. Now I think that sounds like someone else in the public eye. After all, many thought that Hitler and Stalin were the anti-Christ and they could raise armies, and some people even think the pope is. I do think the big daddy of anti-Christ is alive right now. I do know that Oprah cannot be a Christian is she says that Jesus is not the only way.
@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
28 Jul 08
The title was ill concieved I see now and I did mess up the link. I only meant by the title that maybe she was an anti- christian type person? If you are interested the video is on youtube, search Oprahs new church. I agree, Im afraid that she has entertained so many people and beliefs on her show that it has all kind of scrambled together for her.
@cricket1 (486)
• United States
24 Jul 08
I see what you mean that she says she is a Christian and then don't follow the beliefs of this church. Yes I believe that is wrong. It's ok to encourage people to believe different ways but not to say you believe that way yourself if you are following a certain religion with different beliefs. If that makes sense
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@cricket1 (486)
• United States
26 Jul 08
I don't need a lesson in religion Elaan, I don't follow any church, I'm just using common sense, I just think that if one chooses a belief to follow they should follow it. Especially with a public figure who has a lot of influence. My personal opinion of high profile people, such as in the entertainment business, is they do what draws attention to them as this is what makes them money. Right? or wrong?
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@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
25 Jul 08
To be born again, a person must repent, confess his or her sins and be baptized. To be a Christian, a person must accept Christ as his or her Lord and personal savior. To please God, a person must love God with all her heart and might. Loving your neighbor as yourself is second only to loving God. Certainly, 'loving' your neighbor enough to declare that person unChristian even though that person may have followed all of the above may not qualify you to be a Christian either. It is not doctrine(declaring that you believe there are other ways to serve God)that takes away your Christianity. Doctrine is just embellishment.
@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
23 Jul 08
Oprah is very intelligent I have always thought that she believed in God and jesus. Not I am not sure that she knows what she believes in. Sad really.
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@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
24 Jul 08
Right! Me too I had always accepted that she entertained different beliefs on her show out of professionalism and good t.v., I did not realize she was buying into it all.
@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
25 Jul 08
She was repeating a quote that she said was her favorite. It was originally stated by Tolle an author of a book in her book club. He says that man created God in mans own image.
The second statement about was on her show and she says how can there be only one way? An audience member got really upset with her about it.
@jingbautista (2456)
• Philippines
10 Aug 08
ya, i was shocked too!!! i mean, i could not believe it until i heard and watched the video... hmm, this is something.. a call to all christians!! let us unite in prayer...
@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
16 Aug 08
I like your train of thought. That is exactly what christians should be doing not only in this situation but in all the stuff going on nowadays. Thanks for responding!
@fiona08 (454)
• United States
23 Jul 08
The link you provided did not take me to a video of Oprah, so I am merely speculating. I doubt she has changed her mind about her beliefs. I think she is trying to find a way to tell people that whatever they believe religiously, is OK. I think she is saying that Good people who strive their whole lives to do what is right, will find a way to eternal happiness, and that just because they are not Christian, does not mean they are doomed. And I can't believe any kind and loving God would allow these good people to go on worshipping in their own way, only to find out they goofed, and can never join him in heaven. I don't think Oprah is going against her own Christian beliefs, only allowing for differences in religion. I don't feel they are necessarily "anti-sentiments".
@fiona08 (454)
• United States
24 Jul 08
I understand how you see it. I think, however, that many Christians believe the basic teachings of Christ, and live them the way they believe they should. I believe that everyone should be entitled to interpret these teachings, or any other religious teachings, the way they feel it is meant to be. I don't think it is right for anyone to tell another he/she is not Christian, or that he/she is the anti-Christ, because of a disagreement in theology. I think Oprah, probably believes that her way to heaven is through Christ, and allows others the free thought to find their own way there. If you disagree with mine or Oprah's feelings on religion, that is your business. But I don't think it is up to you to judge her way of thinking. Let people believe, and worship the way they interpret their own beliefs. If they screw up, it is no problem for you. Does that make sense to you? I really hope I am not coming across as harsh, or disrespectful, because I don't mean to be. I just think judging each other is very far from what Jesus Christ intended for his followers.
@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
23 Jul 08
The link you provided does not lead to anything Oprah said or did. If you're referring to the remarks that Oprah made when she spoke about the book of Ekhart Tolle, then your discussion is an alarmist's attempt at garnering attention. If you are a Christian, remember that the Bible refers to those who give a false alarm as to who the anti-Christ is or when the end times would be is a false prophet. Even the Son of Man Himself said only the Father knows when these things would be. There's no need to frighten yourself and other people unduly. If the anti-Christ were here, the rapture would have happened long ago. In Biblical chronology, the rapture precedes the anti-Christ. Oprah is not the anti-Christ. She's a Christian whose belief is different from yours. Consider her as someone who believes in a doctrine that is alien to you. Don't judge that doctrine.
@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
24 Jul 08
Ok first I never meant that she was "the" anti-christ, I should have said an anti-christ. And I am not trying to alarm anyone! I myself look forward to the end of all things and eternal life with God. I also am quite aware that no one is going to stop the anti-christ or the tribulation. I never refered to the end times at all! And as far as judging the doctrine the bible says that the only way to heaven is through Christ to try and get there any other way makes you a thief and a robber. She stated on her show that there were many ways and that my friend is absolutely contrary to christianity.
Christianity is believing in Christ and his teachings so if you claim the label you must claim the teaching.
@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
25 Jul 08
Ok we could sling scripture at one another all day long each proving a point like the bible says you shall know a man/woman by their fruit? The point is I have often watched Oprah and was under the impression she was a christian, follow me so far? Ok now I hear her saying from her own mouth that there is more than one way to heaven? Many follow her show and listen when she speaks and they may be under the impression she is a christian, I feel if it can be known that she is spouting beliefs that are absolutely foreign to christian belief, people should know?
And once again the reference to anti-christ did not come across as intended. For that I apologize.
@ElaanR2 (277)
• United States
24 Jul 08
Christianity is not a 'label'. It is a way of life. In the parable of the tares and the wheat, the farmer said to let them grow together. By their fruits, they shall be known. All the fuss about who is obeying God and who is not will not be settled by us. Only the owner of the vineyard knows. The many wars we're fighting today are a result of people thinking they are obeying God more than others. When Jesus went to visit Martha and Mary, one of them thought she was pleasing Him by working hard to prepare food for Him. Turns out that He was more impressed by the one who just sat down and listened to Him instead. God is an awesome God. He fights His own battles. The danger of trying to fight His battles is that you may end up fighting against what pleases Him.