American and Israeli Alliance: A Threat to American Security?

On the other hand the leader of Iran has declared his intention of destroying a internationally recognised country. The regime there has kidnapped British citizens on some make believe pretext. It is a rogue state, lead by thugs and bully boys, who are known to lie and cheat. all the best urban

Ahmenidijad did not say he wanted to "wipe Israel off the map" the phrase was: ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? which means: "the regime that is occupying Israel should be wiped off the pages of history" (i.e. the Zionist government of Israel) And even if it is an intention, it's not an actual attack, by the way, Iranians aren't Arab and they're not stupid enough to attack Israel, which definitely has an arsenal of nuclear weapons.

"bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad"----the Persian sentence he used.

Ah, you didn't hear the news about Hezbollah? "Israel was created in 1948 due to the Balfour Declaration and British support. The native Palestinians were not given a voice in the decision at all. They were constantly put down by the British government and seen as second-class citizens. We need to step back and take a unbiased look at this conflict." At the time the area was in British control having been captured by an expeditionary force from the Ottomans. At that time there were no Palestinians, indeed it was the British that gave the area the name Palestine for convenience and historical reasons. The area was populated by nomadic Arabs, Jews and others. The British negotiated an agreement with both Arabs and Jews to set up two states. All parties agreed until the Arabs reneged on the deal demanding all the land for themselves. Jewish settlements in the area prior to the creation of the state of Israel, lived without militia until unprovoked Arab attacks prompted the creation of defence militias. As Arab aggression escalated so it became necessary for Jewish settlements to increase their militia. Following the creation of Israel and the recognition of it as a legitimate independent state, the Arab League Secretary, General Azzam Pasha declared "jihad," he said, "He said, "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades" The Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al Husseini stated, "I declare a holy war, my Moslem brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!" It was then invaded by alliance of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Jordan who declared their intention of destroying it. Whenever Israel has made peaceful moves Arabs have interpreted this as weakness and escalated violence. The only peaceful moves by Arab nations has been when they have been soundly thrashed. Read the words of the Muslim leaders above and note the hate and aggression in these evil statements. Arab countries suffer mostly, not from Israel, USA or anything of the kind but by being led by rich, greedy school ground bullies. all the best urban

Hezbollah was and is not an Arab nation...they're a rogue entity that attacked Israel, it's similar to any of the other organizations that attack Israel within Palestine and Israel. The Arabs reneged on their agreement!? The majority of the people in the mandate of Palestine were Arabs, it was only after the Balfour Declaration there was an increase of immigration of the Jews into Palestine. Arabs became alarmed at this and asked the British to do something about it, so the British drafted the White Paper of 1939, which restricted Jews buying or immigrating into Palestine. However, illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine continued. Yes, they lived peacefully, until the Zionists began becoming more aggressive and harassing the Palestinians And regarding the two state solution: Only the UN General Assembly agreed upon the two-state solution, the Arab League was completely against it and voted against it, due to the aggression of the zionists. And here I'd like to add that I don't believe Jews to be zionists, zionism was a secular movement and you just need to read Theodor Herzl's book to see that. He didn't even want a JEWISH state, merely an ethnic one...the Jewish Congress even sought Quebec and Argentina as possible areas, but settled on Palestine because it rallied Jews together due to the historical significance. And if you see the 1947 partition plan, it really doesn't look like a viable two state solution, it splits the Arab nation in two. Also, it was never in the intention of the zionists to create a two state solution, just look at the statement of David Ben-Gurion: "Jewish people will regard Palestine as a WHOLE..." Further, the Zionist Congress saw the White Paper as invalid and disregarded it. And all in all, has the creation of Israel done any good to the Middle East? Seriously, the artifical state has eaten up more and more Palestinian land. They built checkpoints between each city, making it difficult for Palestinians to travel between city to city WITHIN THEIR OWN TERRITORY. Also, Israel is wedged between the middle of both the West Bank and Gaza strip. How are you meant to create a "two-state solution" when there's a country established in the middle of your country? Also, Israel is in violation of Resolution 141 and continues to build illegal settlements in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, you just need to see a recent map to see that. As I said before, any Arab military move against Israel would be foolish and would ultimately make the entire Middle East a conflict-zone. But it's time we studied history about the conflict. How can Arabs be the aggressors when they were there first? They did not reject the idea of a two-state solution, they rejected the oppression/harassment of Jewish settlers (see Irgun for more details). Yes, there was Arab aggression initially, but the Native Americans also retaliated when their land was forcibly taken, were they to blame?

Arab aggression!? When's the last time Arab countries attacked Israel? Oh right...back in 1967, there has not been a major military attack on Israel since then. This myth of Arab aggression is what's gotten us into this mess in the Middle East. Israel was an artificial state just like most of the Arab nations, just that this one was imposed on another population. Israel was created in 1948 due to the Balfour Declaration and British support. The native Palestinians were not given a voice in the decision at all. They were constantly put down by the British government and seen as second-class citizens. We need to step back and take a unbiased look at this conflict.

*sigh*...again no argument...no evidence...we've now stooped down to the level of kindergarteners...simply brilliant.

WhatsHerName, I'm completely open to a civil, intellectual discussion, but if you constantly continue this childish behavior, then we're going to get no where. Forums are places to learn and educate and allow the free flowing of different ideas. Please, by all means ask a question, just stop this childish behavior and sarcasm. We can start this conversation over fresh on a clean slate and have a civil and intellectual discussion (and foget everything that was said before). I'm prepared for this type of discussion, not a "argue-for-the-sake-of-arguing" and a "argue-because-I-think-I'm-right" monologue. This sarcasm is getting you no where and you're doing nothing to better your understanding of other ideas, traditions, cultures, etc. You're wasting your time and energy just jumping on your computer to type these sarcastic remarks. So again, I ask you if you want, we can have a civil and intellectual discussion(on the topics we disagree about). You bring facts/evidence and I will bring facts/evidence, perhaps we will gain a better understanding in the future.