Do you think women are losing their maternal instincts?
By dragon54u
@dragon54u (31634)
United States
July 29, 2008 6:03pm CST
I ask because I've seen so many stories lately about mothers selling their babies, killing them, forgetting about them and leaving them in hot cars to die or leaving them with someone (or by themselves) so they can go out on the town.
My mom and I were talking about this and it's just in the past twenty years or so that it seems to have become so common. Meat producers are using all kinds of stuff in meat and pesticides are used to grow vegetables and we thought maybe those hormones in the meat were changing children's natural leanings. After all, puberty is happening earlier with each generation beginning a few decades ago when hormones began to be used...and couldn't that affect a young woman's maternal instinct and cause her to not treasure her child as mothers used to?
What do you think? Do you think it's just a symptom of society today or a real physical change that is causing mothers to put other things before the welfare of their children?
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@LlamaCookie527 (29)
• United States
30 Jul 08
This is a great topic. I do think mothers are losing their maternal instincts. I think that a lot of them resent their children. Women are getting pregnant before they are ready and they lost their chance at fun so they resent them. And I'm not saying they don't love their children, I'm just saying I think they love themselves more. It seems that today, children are an accessory. All the stars have them so that must be the thing to do is have a baby, whether you want one or not. Babies aren't Gucci bags, they're babies. They should come first.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I had a neighbor once who said most of the people he knew saw their children as trophies, especially the people in a nearby "upscale" development. I don't know about that, but I know mothers don't seem to think of their children as the most important thing in life. And I think you're right, they do love themselves more. Do you think this might be a side effect of the daycare generation? No moms at home, raised by daycare and sitters and not truly attached to anyone? That's one of my theories. I see a huge difference between my sons, whom I stayed home with, and their friends who were mostly raised by daycare workers and saw their parents a couple hours a day.
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@LlamaCookie527 (29)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I totally agree with you. I think raising your own children rather than having someone else do it, will have a huge impact on them. I guess I am really passionate about this subject because I want kids really bad. I want to be a stay at home mom/ house wife. Thats what I want more than anything. And when I see all these people who never spend anytime with their kids, I feel cheated.
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@desertdarlene (8910)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I don't know about that. I seem to have heard stories about even more things like that, especially in the days of no birth control. It probably wasn't talked about that much, though. I think women got away with doing those things than they do nowadays. The attitude towards children as being property of their parents was pretty common. Sure, normal parents would never think of doing things like that, but not everyone was normal back then, either. Things were more easily hidden in the past.
@desertdarlene (8910)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I meant things like that in the past. It's also all over the literature of the last few millennium, too.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
You know, I think women back then were insane. Picture yourself with constant, hard work from the time you awoke to the time you went to bed exhausted. Washing, cooking, cleaning, working in the fields, mending, sewing and taking care of babies that kept coming and coming! I can see insanity would be easy, along with some of the horrible things that could happen to children. But now? The ease with which our work is done for us (to a large extent), the availability of food and government programs to help--there's really no reason to neglect your children. Hence, my question. Why should it happen now? What other reason than women losing their maternal instincts? It's a wonder that there weren't more fatalities among children back then and very little reason for it now.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
30 Jul 08
It is not a new phenomenon. Through centuries such things have occurred; we're just hearing about it more.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
30 Jul 08
Just about every state has a no questions asked safe haven policy. Women are still throwing away babies.
I think there needs to be an aggressive campaign, but from what I've heard many of them are in denial of the pregnancy and it jeopardizes the life of the newborn.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Jul 08
It would be wonderful if we could offer ages 13+ a form of birth control like the implanted kind, free of charge. When they wanted a child, they could have it removed.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
Like domestic violence, I know. But now that it's come to light, you'd think they'd have a campaign like they did and still do with domestic violence. Are our children so unimportant?
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@dandj929 (423)
• United States
30 Jul 08
It's hard for me to hear stories of unfit mothers and the things the horrible things they do to their children. I am a mother of a beautiful little girl, she is my world and I would do anything for her. I think that there are more stresses in today's society than the society of twenty years ago. Not many mothers are able to stay home with children anymore. Most moms have to work. They are either single or their husbands income just isn't enough. There is always this feeling of having to strive to be perfect and have your kids be perfect too. I feel that television and movies are painting an unrealistic picture of what life should be like and glamourizing things that should not be glamourized. And things seem to be only be getting worse and more stressful for families.
But I must say that I think these "bad moms" are getting more publicity and news coverage now than in the past. There are many wonderful moms our there in this world. Many more good, pure-hearted, and loving than bad ones.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I realize that, and I'm grateful that there are more good mothers than bad. But I can hardly believe that a mother's instincts would allow these things to happen. I'm thinking there must be a chemical change in the brain or something to short-circuit the maternal instinct. I've seen stay-at-home moms send their kids out to play and not check on them for hours and these were pre-schoolers! I watched my kids every moment, I was so afraid something would happen to them and I can't tell you how many times I was nearly right and was glad I was watching. Why wouldn't a mom watch her kids, particularly if she had the time? It's a mystery to me.
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@nupats (3564)
• India
30 Jul 08
hi dear i cannot see that extent of loss of maternal instincts where i stay but yes nowadays mothers are more career minded they leave their infant babies in the cruel supervision of maidservants and go for their jobs...i had recently seen video footage of how the maid is hitting and slapping a 5 month old baby (in Delhi) left alone with her at home and a hidden camera was recording it..the mother did not quit her job instead hire another maid...so i think it is all about setting your priorities right..i would never leave my son alone and go out to work...i can compromise on my lifestyle and expenses but not on my sons safety and well being...have a nice day
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
It's been pretty obvious that your maternal instincts are intact and very strong! We need more like you.
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@reckon21 (3479)
• Philippines
30 Jul 08
Very sad, when you ponder how things really change
in our society today. I hope it wont fold in to worst
cases. Because a mother's love is the foundation that
nurtures the baby's emotions and personality during
growing up days.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
That's true, and it concerns me. With so many mothers working or living as if they're single and carefree, babies won't learn to love and give. We're facing a generation of detached, self-centered teens and adults as a result. We're already suffering the effects of the daycare generation.
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
30 Jul 08
I think woman are just trying to live their lives as individual human beings and not only as ‘mothers, wives, sisters…’ while all the instances you mention are admittedly happening with frightening regularity, we are more shocked coz in each case, the mom seems to be the culprit. Except in cases of moms killing their children, everything else would have looked OK if it was the Dad instead. Men all along have ‘dumped’ the kids on the wives while they have had every form of relaxation and outing and led their lives as they wanted. It is what we are used to see, what society expects us to accept. But with the new woman, the situation is turning rather ugly and the kids are more often than not, suffering for it. Not many dads would like to sit at home with the kids and cook dinner while momma dear goes out to the parlour, or window shopping or just for girlie-chat and drink, round the neighbourhood. And on top of that, if the mom has a job, heaven help her! I am not much surprised at her harried self.
I do believe the modern woman requires more understanding and sympathy from us all.
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@Bugsey (775)
• United States
30 Jul 08
sudipta - I agree. Why is it always the woman who SHOULD have maternal instincts? Shouldn't fathers have paternal instincts too and not leave women alone to blame for their own wee uh.. inadequacies? Why are they excused or why doesn't it sound so awful that Scott Peterson killed his wife and kid? BOTH are losing their instincts NOOt only women. Men are killing their wives....I blame the stereoptyping of women and these anti-feminists for such atti8tudes. Murder is murder no matter who does it.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
But that's not the type of mom I'm talking about. I know there are lots of those that are good moms--but I think moms should be home with the kids when possible--and they do need our understanding and our help. I'd like to find some way that women could stay home with their kids.
I'm talking about the moms who just don't seem to care about their kids. I don't understand this or see why becoming a mother doesn't kick in the protective instinct I felt and so many others feel when we hold our child for the first time.
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
31 Jul 08
Hi Dragon,
Its just the way many men do not feel the paternal instinct at all…they spend their free time not only out of the house, but also waste precious money on booze and women without a thought as to where the milk for the baby back home will come from.
Bugsey dear,
I am all the way with you on this…stop stereotyping us women as moms and wives and sisters (caregivers in general) and men…its time you guys evolved at a faster pace if you want to keep pace with us
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
30 Jul 08
it's just in the past twenty years or so
LOL no not at all...it just so happens that in the past 20 yrs its being TALKED ABOUT....Ppl mistakenly feel the same way about child abuse and rape...they think its more common now..whne the reality is its just actually talked about and dealt with now compared to yesteryear
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
30 Jul 08
Oh absolutely it should be dealt with...no arguements from me on that one...and I have to say that the kids have an advantage now that it IS talked about...When I was being abused as a kid ppl in the area KNEW what was going on..but it wasnt spoken of and the way to handle it was to pretend it wasnt goin on...and in the cases when the authorities WERE brought into the picture, back then a child was wrong and the adults were right, kids should be seen and not heard, the kid deserved it/asked for it etc etc..so nothing was ever done anyway and when that kid was behind closed doors again it often became worse..particularly in cases of physical abuse..NOW slowly but surely as its becoming more out in the open SLOWLY but surely ppl are stepping up and getting involved...HOWEVER there are still those who for different reasons then yesteryear REFUSE to get involved..which infuriates me to know end....Being a survivor myself I ALWAYS get involved to some degree because there is no way in hell I could live with myself if I didnt...
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
You may be right. But it's something I feel should be dealt with. Now that's it's coming out into the open, something should be done. I do what I can, giving a kind word to a mother near the end of her rope when I can or some other small kindness, but I think it's time to take the pressure off some of those mothers--they have so much on their plate a lot of times, and nobody to help them. I'm sure they'd have more time and inclination to care for their children and love them if things weren't so tough.
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@lossforredwords (3620)
• Philippines
30 Jul 08
That is a good point about the change in hormones but I think this is really cause by the community, the norm and the way parents infuse there principles to there child. maybe both nature and nurture influence this behavior.
I was really caught by this discussion cause I never thought maternal instinct can be one reason why mothers don't give enough importance to there child. AT first I thought only because of financial or some kind of family problem. You really have a point in this. I hope psychiatrist do some research regarding this.
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@lossforredwords (3620)
• Philippines
30 Jul 08
well this subject is really broad, but I think knowing what the cause of the problem can give us way to know how to solve it. surely, if ever this is going to be a subject for some study.. it will encounter lots of hindrances.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I wish they'd research it, too. But it wouldn't be politically correct and that's a big thing here in the States. The study would be shut down as soon as it was proven that mothers staying at home are better for children. Leaving that aspect out, you have the meat manufacturers and other businesses that would possibly be negatively impacted and that would be a big no-no!
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
30 Jul 08
I think the chemicals in the meats are having a negative effect and that is not confined to meat. It is affecting the men as well. I also think it is the end times, when the natural instinct to do evil will not be stopped by a good conscience as it once was. I also think that certain actions do kill maternal instinct or encourage the lack of maternal instincts. Girls used to stay home or work at nursing or teaching until they got married. Now they are encouraged to go out and work in offices.
That can kill a woman's maternal instinct pretty quit, unless she is like me, and was always looking for a husband.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I don't really think a girl working while she's single influences her mothering instincts. It does offer her a view of the world that may lead her to postpone motherhood until she's ready and finds the right man (hopefully one she'll marry!) and is ready to settle down. But there is something suppressing or destroying the maternal instinct, or why are so many children mistreated and neglected?
I agree with you about the end times, though. The signs are clearly written in the Bible, if not the circumstances. It was written in such a way that people back then could understand it, thus the lake of fire, the horsemen, etc. But I do believe in what it says, if not the analogies.
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@munhozmib (3836)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
31 Jul 08
Hello, Dragon54u.
I think that his is just like all the absurd crimes that are happening in the whole world: they always existed. I mean, there are old techniques of torture, so you can see that people killed people since ages ago. I can tell you that humans kill humans since there are humans in this world. Canibalism is something so old, and it is an absurd. So, what conclusion do we have about this? It has always been here. But then, why did we almost never heard about it? Because there were less cases? Yes, and because of lack of media. Media nowadays can take a notice from United States delivered to Japan in one second using the Internet. You can watch what is going on in another country LIVE. Before there wasn't this. Things happened, and it was hard to spread the word. But still existed. And less frequently, since there were less humans in the World. Mothers are still mothers, the good and old mothers. :D
Respectfully,
Munhozmib.
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@munhozmib (3836)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
31 Jul 08
Why don't we do something? We need two things to start changing our countries: influence and money. I honestly hope to achieve my dream and start changing the history of my country. I am not the kind of guy that just stands looking destruction and blaming politics. After all, we are the corrupt ones, voting into somebody just because they give hot dogs on their campaign.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
30 Jul 08
hi dragon54u I noticed all these stories were about awful'
things happening. Have you not realized that these are the'stories that sell news. The majority of moms are good
decent motherly woman who love their children very much,
andthe majority of teens are decent well brough up kids'
whose parents are proud of them. the news media does not
run stories on good peopleasthey would think that would
bore the general public. I am not at all worried about
'women losing their maternal instincts as all my friends
are great moms who love their kids and all my teen friends
are well brought up good kids.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I know what you're saying. "if it bleeds, it leads" is the motto. But I've seen plenty of parents, rich and poor, who neglect their kids or who are rarely around. I know there are many, many good mothers but they seem to be fewer now, even discounting the news reports. It seems to be worse in the Southwest, from my experience. Back in the midwest, to which I recently returned, it's like night and day when it comes to watching your child and paying attention to them compared to Arizona.
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@dizzblnd (3073)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I never really thought about it that way until you posted this. I think it has to do with the way we have learned to survive in our declining economy (I am not sure how yours it, but you know the US is declining rapidly) Both parents being forced to work longer hours to put food on the table (the cost of which keeps rising) and kids being pushed aside so that everyone can survive. We have become a society of "barely getting by" Our children seem to suffer the most, unfortunately because the mothers are concentrating on their career, or partying.
The hormone point is a very interesting one you bring up. You logic makes sense. It may be a combination of everything you, I and the other respondents (I haven't read theirs yet) have mentioned.
Whatever the reason, it is very sad and I am not sure its going to get any better. I think the 30-50 somethings (as long as they were raised right) will be among the last generations to be maternal. I hope I am wrong.. but I don't think that I am.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I hope we're both wrong but I fear we're not. I may end up raising any grandchildren I have in the future if my sons marry maternally-deficient women.
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@tamarafireheart (15384)
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30 Jul 08
Hello dragon54u,
What a terrible thing that is happening but in the U.K the law here is very strict if someone abuse children the welfare will take the children away from mothers who can't or won't cope with their children but most the the welfare will help any mother to bond with their child, there is no such thing here about selling children or leaving them on the streets. These day girls are having babies far too young and they are missing out on going out and they know how to look after their children. There should be a law that say women are not allow to have children until there mature enough to be mothers, its nothing to do maternal instincts?
Tamarafireheart.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
Your country sounds as if it truly cares about children. Here, we might take the children but usually only after they've been gravely injured or flagrantly neglected and give them back as soon as possible for "the sake of family relationships". As a result, we've had many children die at the hands of their parents. Our system is abysmal, ineffective and dangerous as well as understaffed and underfunded.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
How do you think we could nurture that softer side? Both men and women have had to become very callous in the past decades and life is very, very hard for so many.
@dani27 (544)
• United States
30 Jul 08
No, but I did when I was 10 and saw Mackaly Culkin in My Girl.
@naseeha (1382)
• India
31 Jul 08
Hi dr
You have started such a thought provoking discussion. I feel that maternal instinct is still there but these kind of problems happen to women or girls who have an unwanted child. That is like when they get pregnant during their teens or if they are immature adults...
It has something to do with the way they were brought up. If they are brought up with love they will surely be able to pass on that love to their kids..
Also in todays fast paced world, survival takes on an important role.. and the mothers are under so much of stress just to survive..So they think of their children as a nuisance.. Some of them are plain selfish.. I despise such people.
But the love of mothers will never die out..Maternal love or maternal instinct is something that is inborn and will always be there....
have a wonderful day...
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@naseeha (1382)
• India
31 Jul 08
I beg to differ.. THe differences in food that we intake can only affect our bodys development. I feel strongly that the way a person behaves is because of the way he or she grew up...
I am lucky to be born in India where family ties are strong.. But things are changing nowadays.. When we were small there were no old age homes but now we see so many of them popping up...
Times are changing and people are becoming more and more materialistic...
@StarChild517 (657)
• United States
30 Jul 08
Its very sad with how mommys treat their babies these days I mean come on now its half you and you treat half of your flesh and blood like that gee. I am against the whole added growth hormone junk does us no good. I am sorry but there are women who need to have their tubes cut or something so they cant torture the innocent.
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@pukaprat2 (442)
• United States
30 Jul 08
good topic by the way. there are alot of people moms and dads that seem to just not care about their child. i on the other hand am VERY protective of my daughter. i do just about everything i can to make sure she knows she is loved. but the problem that i see with this is, younger parents (14-20) were raised so much differently. there are so many cases of abuse among those that are getting knocked up and i think one of the reasons is becuase they want that "love" that they never had. only to realize that it doesn't happen right away. and that raising a child is a lot harder than they thought. i also think that post pardom stress is another factor to take into consideration when it comes. if these people that are having kids dont have a good support system around them than it can become very stressful and leads to what some horrible outcomes have been.
i was reading something a few months ago that a father left his 6 month old in the car while he went to work because he forgot that he was suppost to drop the child off at day care. now my question to that is how can you forget? the child at that age will cry every other hour or so. - it is just too heart breaking. i cant imagine doing that to my daughter. mind though i have had those thoughts but they pass as quickly as they come into my head. and when i talked to my mom about it, she said that it was a form of post stress syndrome and to simply put the baby in a safe place and walk away for a few minutes. now mind you that was of course when i first had my little girl. things are much better now and i cant imagine what my life would be like without her.
i even get nervous when i let her take a nap with me in the afternoon. especially after i heard about the father that slept with his child and wound up smoothering the poor thing. - people have changed. maybe it might have to do with the food, maybe it is a product of what they went through when they were growing up and just didn;t have that support that they needed. what ever the reason is, still is no excuse. these kinds of things really break my heart. i cant believe it. as a matter of fact, i think i need to end it here.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Jul 08
You have struck upon a very good point--children having children to try to get the love they never had. Are these mostly children whose parents both worked and were raised by daycare and sitters? If so, we have a scary future ahead of us!
You've made some very good points! Thank you so much for your input.