Obama: "I am going to give insurance 47 million Americans who are without it."
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
United States
July 30, 2008 3:14pm CST
Exactly who are those Americans? We don't have to ask who is going to pay for it, do we?
NY Post Reports
O'S HEALTH RX: COVER ILLEGALS
Last updated: 4:51 am
July 21, 2008
Posted: 4:42 am
July 21, 2008
DEMOCRATS' single most important domestic proposal - universal health insurance - may blow up in Barack Obama's face when voters are exposed to the deadly details.
Obama has said, proudly and often, "I am going to give health insurance to 47 million Americans who are now without coverage." But are they "Americans?"
That 47 million statistic includes illegal immigrants - who virtually all lack insurance. In fact, about one in four of those lacking insurance is here illegally. And they are, by far, the group most in need of health insurance.
About 15 million of the remaining uninsured are eligible for Medicaid but haven't signed up - mainly because they haven't gotten sick. When they do, they enroll in Medicaid and we pick up the full tab for their health care relatively cheaply. (About 80 percent of each Medicaid dollar goes to nursing-home care for the elderly, only about 20 percent for the medical needs of the poor.)
The rest of the uninsured pool? Virtually all the children are eligible for the State Children's Health Insurance Program. Some aren't enrolled because the parents haven't bothered, but most are eligible. That leaves about 20 million uninsured adults who are US citizens or legal immigrants. There are far better ways to handle their needs than to turn our entire health-care system upside down.
Care for illegals is the biggest unmet medical need in our nation, and Obama's program targets it squarely. But do we really want to give them federally paid coverage equal to what US senators get, as Obama proposes?
Covering illegals adds dramatically to the cost of any program - and would encourage more folks to enter America illicitly.
Obama's plan will likely have a horrific effect on some local health-care systems.
Illegals now get free emergency-room treatment for life-threatening conditions - as any other American who's entered an ER in an area with lots of illegals recently well knows. (Three-quarters of the illegal-immigrant population is concentrated in five states: California, New York, Florida, Texas and Illinois.)
But now they'd be eligible for the entire range of medical services, all free of charge. That would trigger severe rationing: bureaucrats deciding who gets to see an oncologist, who can have an MRI - and even who can have bypass surgery and who'd die for lack of it.
These decisions would be made not on the basis of legal status but on the brutal facts of triage: Treat the 37-year-old illegal with his whole life to live before you spend scarce resources on an overweight, diabetic, 80-year-old citizen with high blood pressure who smokes.
John McCain hasn't raised this issue, perhaps for fear of offending the Latino vote. But polling suggests the case against rationing of health care would be as persuasive to Hispanic-American citizens as it is to the rest of us. Nobody wants to die waiting in line - especially not behind someone who snuck in ahead of us.
McCain needs to hit the Obama plan for treating illegal immigrants to free, federally subsidized health insurance - and hit it hard.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
30 Jul 08
It still stuns me that there is an industrialized nation on this planet that considers health care to be a privilege instead of a right.
That's all I've got to say about that.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I agree with you on your great point! Not really sure where you are from but I live in the states and our insurance that we pay for is so expensive, plus we have a big deductible ok huge deductible 10,000 dollars worth.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
30 Jul 08
ClarusVisum,
Clarify something for me, please! Why should I and millions of American taxpayers be expected to dilute our health coverage, skyrocket our insurance premiums and deductibles and co-pays so 12 million non-taxpaying illegals can have the benefit of health insurance? I'll give you the other 35 million people even though most of them are covered by medicaid already but even if they weren't I could see some efficacy in making sure these 35 million got some kind of coverage. But, BUT to cover 12 million non-citizens who are here illegally blatently taking advantage of our country's bounty without some sort of recompense is idiotic at best!
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
30 Jul 08
rodney, are you aware of this?
"Although nearly 47 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens." --http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml
Clearly it's possible for us to insure everyone for less than what we're paying now--other, poorer countries are able to do it, and it's not by MAGIC, you know. There is no excuse for the US being so far behind the world on this issue. None whatsoever.
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Providing that this is true, it really pisses me off. I was born and raised in the U.S. as were my parents, grandparents and great grandparents. I've worked and paid taxes yet I don't have insurance and don't qualify for medicaid. I can't afford to get sick. God forbid if I need surgery or something equally expensive. I'm just SOL unless I can find a doctor that will let me make payments...I have a better chance of finding a winning lottery ticket stuck to my forehead in the morning.
Yet these ppl come over here illegally, breaking the law and stand around with their hands out and we're just supposed to take care of them. How does that work???? Let them go back to their own d*mn country and let them pay for them. I don't see where their entitled to anything...except a swift boot back across the river.
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I would expect that they would be just as pissed. They went to the trouble of coming here legally, are working and paying taxes and others who have no desire to do any of that are standing around waiting for a handout.
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
We also have a lot of legal immigrants who worked hard to get here legally and work day and night for low wages. They cannot afford insurance while the ones who got here illegally are getting hand outs. What does that say to them?
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Universal Health Insurance has to be the biggest scam. It does not work in the countries it has been tried in. If government controlled health care is so good then why is it that people with enough money come to America for treatment. How many American do you hear of going up to Canada for treatment. A growing industry up in Canada is health care travel agencies, to send people to America for treatment. 47 million is a number that no one can prove, just a guess. Currently illegal can still receive health care in the E.Rs. No hospital can turn away anyone even if they cannot pay. Why would anyone want the same government that cannot even repair a road properly, with the ability to decide your health care.
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
The hospitals will take you in the ER without insurance, but they will send you a bill, and you are expected to pay if you don't want bill collectors at your door. A friend of mine has to go to ER. It ended up he had a kidney stone. It cost him $5,000 because he had no insurance. He could not pay it all in the timely manner they prefered. It ruined his credit. He could not even get anyone rent him an appointment without a co-signer. I think we can learn some things from other countries. My brother-in-law lived in France and the healthcare was excellent. Now he is living in Canada and it is horrible. However, I do agree that when I think of the stupidity of people in authority in our country, it is frightening to imagine them running healthcare. On the other hand, the insurance companies are robbing us.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
31 Jul 08
The ERs are getting better about not taking you if they can get around it. I was in the ER about 6 months ago and a man and his son were in there. The man forgot the son's ins. card and the lady that was in charge of insurance intimidated him into leaving. He was not sure about the child's coverage because he did not have custody of him so they left. The poor little fellow was really ill and needed attention, but the Father in his insecurity made the decision to wait until he could get the child back to his Mother. It was very sad.
I got totally screwed that day too by the ER, but that is another story for another day!!
Shalom
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I like the road repair part!! Even the people who qualify for existing help and I am talking about legal Americans do not get the help they need so I do not really see how a balooned version of what we already have is ever going to work. The ilegals always seem to know how to work the system and get what they need. I guess we Americans just don't look at life the same way.
Shalom
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@danishcanadian (28953)
• Canada
31 Jul 08
Does it really matter? When has a politician ever made a promise that he could keep? LOL
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Unfortunately, I think Obama might just keep a few of his...
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
30 Jul 08
I believe that the American citizens deserve medical as citizens. I do not believe that folks who enter our country illegally and make $16 + an hour under the table do not deserve a free ride for anything, medical schooling taxes anything.
That is what is happening in this country right now. Folks think that the main reason farmers have gone to ethanol type crops is because they pay better and it is a "green footprint." That is not why. It is because the illegals are asking for more than $16 an hour wages which the farmers can no longer write off as easily, so they are growing crops that can be grown and harvested completely by machinery!!!!
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@brilliantmom (36)
• Ireland
31 Jul 08
I am shocked to read the post. Can any leader fulfil this promise without getting any protest from tax payers??
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Think of all the people voting for Obama. None of his people see anything negative about him. I think they are deaf and blind.
@brilliantmom (36)
• Ireland
31 Jul 08
Sounds funny. People who donot pay taxes, will never oppose taxes. People who donot die from hunger, will never think of hungry starving people??? Politics !!!
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
31 Jul 08
You are absolutely correct that the outcome of Barack Hussein's socialized medicine agenda will be a disaster for our country. You are also correct that many people would call it a bad thing if they knew the facts.
Unfortunately, the lie that this is free medical care got lodged in the heads of a lot of people and they do not want to let it go. Socialized medicine is certainly not free. The tax burden will be enormous (of course not to the lower 50% of wage earners that are sponging off the rest).
In the end everyone will pay. Not only is there the cost, but there is certainly going to be rationing as well. The government plan will not be able to afford all the needed healthcare.
Universal means socialism, not free.
djbtol
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I would like to think that most of Obama's supporters are ignorant..they don't know any better. However, there are doctors and lawyers and well-educated people who are voting for him. They cannot see the whole picture. America isn't the country it used to be.
@Smith2028 (797)
• United States
31 Jul 08
First and foremost, this is an absurd policy with or without the numerous illegal immigrants included. Giving Health Insurance isn't the responsibility of the government. The Democrats have been and will be pushing a socialized health care system for years. Their system will cover people who don't even need the gov's help. A socialized system will increase waiting periods for treatment, create longer lines waiting for prescriptions and have many other adverse affects.
HOWEVER, more on topic, why would we ever pay for healthcare for someone who doesn't want to obey the laws of this nation. This is a simple and finite law... you want to come here, register, get a green card and we are ok with it. Don't jump our borders, and if you do, you are own your own.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
I agree. We are going to give something to people who have disobeyed our laws which will only condone what they did. When legals disobey the law, most pay for it. They don't receive something free.
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
31 Jul 08
"Give" Insurance to 47M Americans without it? Wouldn't that be roughly translated from the Politician speak to "Tracking them and Taxing them"?
@kingcrapper (1536)
• United States
31 Jul 08
The idea of giving free health care to people who broke the law, to me is incredible! I know there is sme liberal out there reading this and saying they are 'Americans' and deserve everything free. Well, I hate to break you heart with a taste of reality but health care, like every other precious resource, we American have come with a price.
Your 'friends' came here illegally and nothing short of stealing from what my parents, grandparents and great grandparents put into this country to make it great, free and strong. And don't bring up the 'we are all immigrants' stuff. Yes, we are, but we can here legally and we put more into the system then we took out.
Take your Obama candidate and ask him how much our debt will go to illegals (yes, that what they are)? How much more of our children's future will we mortgage ensuring people who broke the law are protected, housed, and cared for? The national debt is in the trillions now and growing. I am sure you have some kind of answer for this, liberal.
Thanks for the post! Looks like you and I are on the same page!
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Obama likes to make promises to everyone because he wants their vote. Even the illegals here have friend who can vote.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
31 Jul 08
You're right. It makes no sense at all for us to even consider having free health care for illegals. But you know, some of those illegals will even vote for president and you can bet they'll vote for Obama. It's been proven that illegals have voted before. And you know what else? Many of the votes of our men and women serving in the military got lost last time and many didn't make the deadline, so they didn't count. How fair is that? The Dems don't care about that, though, because typically the majority of those serving vote Republican.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
And yet those soldiers fight with their life for our country...their votes don't count because they are late. It sounds like America is not America anymore.
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@nmyster1 (2)
• United States
31 Jul 08
The only right to health care I demand is that of the market variety. The US is too large and cannot cover all of the expenses as correctly identified above. Switching to a market system allows everyone to get the health care they want and can afford, not what their employer is willing to pay. If everyone pays a doctor what THEY think the doctor is worth then doctors will get paid a market value for their skills. Meaning, you can pay the expensive doctor if you make accordingly and anyone who can't goes to other doctors that they can actually afford, including illegal aliens.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
31 Jul 08
Illegals do not have a right to be here.
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