ISLAM a religion of PEACE

excellent post Adoniah, I never knew that about that phrase...there are similar trends in all three Abrahamic faiths of peace, justice and equality.

The only comment I have to add about the entire discussion is to live and let live! We all need to have open minds and some diversity training to live with others in peace and harmony. People are too quick to judge and knock other people. We are living in a diverse world and it requires a liberal education or an open mind to be able to accept people different from ourselves.

dude, we're losing this battle, these people are too bent on being ignorant about Islam. No matter what you say, they'll believe what they want to believe. They have no argument, evidence to support their claims/accusations, they haven't brought any evidence, facts or quotes from anywhere to support their claims.

Forgive my ignorance, but could you please show me in the Bible where it says Jesus is the son of God and also the concept of the trinity?

In your main reply to this discussion you says you dislike Islam because it conflicts with Christian theory of the same. If you think Christianity as a source to claim Islam is wrong, it is not the right way. In such a way everyone is able to dislike other religion, i.e Muslims can say we dislike Christianity because they spited one God in to three persons, they made prophet to a God, they pray prophet and others, etc. Jews can Say we dislike Christianity because Jesus claimed as Messiah while he was not, and they made him to son of God, They rejected the law of God. Pagans can say we dislike Christianity because they are saying God is one, while God is 3 or 10 of natural inspiration. So there is no point in reasoning dislike in that way. In your later comments, you were saying about trinity, Bible says about Father, Son and Holy Ghost. But Where it says they all are same? or they all are God(s)? Where it says they are different part of One GOD? That verses says that these three are different personalities only. How three person can be One God? If that united one is Called God, how every three personality in it again be Gods? No worries. Peace

And to Mr. Gorcon's question about the concept of Trinity, here below is my humble reply: Trinity" is not found in Scripture. Of course. There is no single verse that states there that God is three Persons" or "God is a Trinity." This is all quite evident and true, but not because it is directly written... Trinity is not at all true. To prove this point let me remind you that there are many words and phrases that Christians or non-Christians use, which are not found in the Bible and yet we do believe because they are indirectly suggested by the word of God. For one very clear example, the word "Bible" is not found in the Bible, but we do believe in the Bible. "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. Also consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So those who are trying to dispute the word "Trinity" itself should better review their argument. Trinity is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 co-existent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting three Gods. The Trinity is one God made up of three persons. And as explained earlier I find nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." Now let us discuss in full the word Trinity. The New Testament cleary brings God (Father), the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit together in such a way as to strongly mean the Trinitarian nature of God. I've chosen to quote three Scriptures below to summarize all the other biblical passages that when brought together prove the three Persons of God. One Scripture is from the Gospels, another is from the apostle Paul and a third is from the apostle Peter. The words in each passage referring to each of the three Persons. All of them emphasize the Trinitarian implication: All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit [Matthew 28:19]. May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all [2 Corinthians 13:14]. To God’s elect. . .who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood [1 Peter 1:1-2]. Another three passages in Scripture, one staight form my Savior's lips and the other two from His apostles, each unmistakebly bringing together the three Persons of God: 1 Corinthians 2:2-5; 6:11; 12:4-6; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 2:18-22; 3:14-19; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:6-8; 1Thessalonians 1:3-5; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; Titus 3:4-6. The reader is encouraged to read each of these passages and note how God (Father), Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit are brought together as instruments of our salvation. Similar implications can also be found in Romans 14:17-18; 15:16; so you can find them yourselves in the Bible. None of these passages say directly that "God is a Trinity but all the above passages clearly show that the New Testament faith is implicitly Trinitarian. This is the Trinitarian doctrine. These sriptures and other scriptures in the Bible speak easily and without any self-consciousness of God the Father), Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit working together. The totality of God’s saving presence and power is be expressed in the three elements. If we will just look at Scripture and use understanding it is very, very it’s clear that God is shown to be Triune in nature. And so I could confidently and with all certainly declare that the Trinity has always been a reality. It may not be completely clear in the dim ages of man, including even in the Old Testament. But the incarnation of the Son of God and the coming of the Holy Spirit revealed that God was Triune. I may not be able to fully explain Trinity because my human capacity is limited. But I am certain that I can fully understand and explain Trinity when my appointed time to go home to heaven comes. Meanwhile no matter, whatever, or however, disputed by the unbelieving people... I will remain steadfast and unmoved in my belief that my God is a triune God and hence Trinity is true. CHEERS to all Christians!!!

^_^ yes it tells how to deal with the enemies.. it stated their that "kill them wherever ye find them" Islam respects other religions.. but why they force people to pray on Allah?? The Quran is holy book to guide the Muslims on every part & path of life. Yes like the Jihad..

You've taken that verse out of context...just as I could easily take Matthew 10:34 of the Bible out of context. Also God=Allah, all three monotheistic religions pray to the same God, they just have a different concept of Him.

^_^ same God.. then if it is the same.. since you believe in Torah or the Five book of Moses.. then you should believe that God did not establish his covenant on Ishmael instead on Isaac.. its in Genesis 17:19

Awapak wrote: ****************************************************************************** Thanks for giving a long list of our "crimes"........I think we should compare killing score of Christians with that of Muslims.Let's see who have killed more innocent people in this world? you will have to include all wars,nuclear attacks on Japan and your latest attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan......How many women raped?....How many children killed?......Please get these figures from your State's office and then tell me who has a bigger score and who should be called as real terrorists?? ******************************************************************************* Awapak, Use logic for a minute. Think. Reread your comment above. Do you not realize you have not defended Islam at all? What you have done is merely say Christianity is as bad as Islam. You are not providing any rational of any kind that WhatsHerName is wrong. Do you not realize it does not matter whose 'killing score' is greater? By your arguement, both Christianity and Islam are very bad. You are merely making the argument one is worse than the other. What does that matter? You have failed Islam miserably. Please, talk to your Imman or Muslim spiritual adviser for guidance. Pray to Allah for clarity. While I am not Muslim or Christian, I do believe in prayer and it can help you with this logical confusion.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period. In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and a radical clergy that supports the terror. Muslims may like to pretend that other religions are just as subject to "misinterpretation" as is their “perfect” one, but the reality speaks of something far worse. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#other

Thanks for giving a long list of our "crimes"........I think we should compare killing score of Christians with that of Muslims.Let's see who have killed more innocent people in this world? you will have to include all wars,nuclear attacks on Japan and your latest attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan......How many women raped?....How many children killed?......Please get these figures from your State's office and then tell me who has a bigger score and who should be called as real terrorists ??

i am not interested in your evil religeon

where does it say it's ok to kill Jews and Christians in the Quran...obviously you're not reading the same Quran I am...and "honor killings" in Pakistan and in third world countries are purely cultural and have nothing to do with Islam. Maybe you should "study" the Quran a little more closely before drawing unsubstantial conclusions. Again you probably (as most anti-Islam and Muslim people do is read the Quran out of context),it's not merely a book you can pick up and read, every verse in that book was revealed at a particular time, place and event. Without knowing those three, you can't really draw conclusions. So please "study" the Quran again if you can and also include in your "studying" the hadith (sayings/actions of Muhammad).

lmao, "my evil religion," do your research please...people fear that which they don't understand...you base your so-called facts on what you "studied," check your sources...perhaps the reason you have a warped vision of Islam and Muslims. That's such a glib statement, you didn't even respond to what I said, I doubt you even considered it. This type of mentality and refusal to understand the other side is causing the conflict we see today. Extremists on both sides are not allowing peace and stability to occur. Refusal to understand the world around you will only lead to further misunderstandings, conflicts, and violence. It's time that Americans got out of their bubble and educated themselves. Only through education and dispelling of myths on both sides will we solve this conflict. Extremists amongst Muslims need to realize that America is not evil and differentiate between government actions and normal Americans. Likewise, ignorant Americans need to differentiate betweeen extremist Muslims and moderate Muslims (which you refuse to do it seems). If we fail to do this this cycle of bitterness and hatred and mistrust will only continue. We only have one world to live in let's learn to get along. I merely told you to take a more educated look at what events have taken place and also read in context the Quran. You can't merely pick up the Bible and not think about the context,much like any other religious text.

"I shall have much respect for Islam if all Muslims give up bombs and truly embrace peace!" So would I HeadHunter

thanks for this nice comment.

Taliban's treatment of women is deplorable and un-Islamic. Just as I have Repeatedly as I said before, a minority of Muslims does not represent the whole. But for history sake, let's remember we didn't care about women and the Taliban, when we supported them during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Why the care all of a sudden? It's funny how we drop our former allies at the drop of a hat and then demonize them the next(and then point out all their flaws for political reasons). But that's a moot point. As for your statement "I shall have respect for Islam if Muslims give up bombs and truly embrace peace": There's a difference between practice and scripture/religion/belief. I could say the same about Christianity: "I would have far more respect of Christians, if their priests wouldn't have molested little kids" OR "I would have far more respect of Christians if they hadn't colonized and murdered the Native Americans(Manifest Destiny/White Man's Burden)" (I could go on and on and on----not to mention the rape of Africa, due to Christian/White supremacist ideology) But hopefully you get my point.

Your definition of the word "Muslim" is fine. A Muslim is one who submits to the will of God. But your statement "In Islam, everyone is born a Muslim, but their parents raise them as Jews or Christians" sort of confounded me. A Muslim is a person who submits to the will of God. Now, if Jews or Christians also submit to the will of God, they too should be Muslims, according to your definition. Only the name "Jew" and "Christian" is different, unless you claim that the Power Jews and Christians pray to is NOT God. You say, "Islam encourages the involvement of women in society." I don't disagree. Unfortunately, many Muslim husbands don't encourage the involvement of women in society. This accounts for the relatively lesser number of women actively involved in society. You say, "Islam does not support terrorism at all." Again, many Muslims don't follow this statement. There ARE several Islamic terrorist organizations in this world, and they say they are Muslims, even if you say they are not. So what Islam says and what Muslims do are two different things. http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/terrorist.cfm Now, you might say that the reasons for these terrorist groups is political, social, economic, and not religious. But since these are Muslims, they should be, according to you, in the way of peace, not war. "Burqas are cultural" you say. Why only in Muslim culture? I see all around me women in burqas. Not all women, true, but many women. And even the women love it! Even while exercising in the gym they wear these burqas. (Check previous version of Indian magazine "The Week.") And if Muslim women love burqas, they can wear them. It is not my problem. But that would be the number one reason I would give for not turning Muslim. Cheers and thanks for your lovely response.

Positiveminded, I born to a Muslim family, and later I realized more about Islam, which encouraged my faith and gave confidence in my faith. Muslim woman don't have to wear burkha, but Islam suggest a modest dress, that conceal body excluding face & fore-arms, that protect woman from any bad eyes. About the marriage, Simply marrying just two and three is not always justified, it is preferred only for proper reasons, and if one marry more than one, that should not harm his existing relationship and he should treat them equally in all aspects, other wise he should not marry or if he marry he will not be eligible to enter in Paradise/heaven even. Islam don't say to woman to sit at home and to be a kid factory. Islam allows woman to work as men. I don't like terrorism part of any group or religion. And it is big crime to plan bombs in cities and killing innocents as well. Islam says killing a human is equal to killing all humanity. Cheers peace.

thank you.

Key words here "make them understand". You're right, you can't "make" me understand with your belittling opinions, something I already understand. Na, na, naner.

yeah, some people you just can't deal with and make them understand, racism/bigotry/prejudice all stems from misinformation, lack of education,etc. Remember once upon a time we once thought African Americans were not even human? Yeah, we're repeating that same mentality with Muslims, unfortunately.

yeah, some people you can't deal with and make them understand. They just refuse to listen. Remember, not too long ago we thought African-Americans weren't even human? Yeah that same mentality is still here in America. And right now Muslims are the victim of this racism/hatred/bigotry/prejudice. Racism, prejudice, and hatred all stem from lack of knowledge as my good friend WhatsHerName has so aptly proven.

^_^ let us set it aside for a while.. then how can you clean yourself of your sin?? coz look at the Ten Commandments can you follow it?? it is God Standard.. then how can you connect yourself to God??

Muslims believe just as Christians do that Christ was born miraculously by the Virgin Mary. Muslims don't believe that Christ is the Son of God, as according to the Quran, God does not need "partners" or "helpers." God is All-Powerful, All-Knowing, etc. He needs no one to help Him. As well, the concept makes no sense to Muslims, because the trinity concept is so similar to the Roman gods concept and God begetting a son is attributing human qualities to a non-human entity.

In Islam expiation of sins is through repentance and sincere turning to God. There is no clergy, no intermediates between the Muslim and God. The Muslims pray directly to God for salvation.

Well it depends on what your definition of "terrorism" is and those who perpetuate it are not Muslims as they kill innocent people, which is forbidden in Islam. Those so-called "Muslims" who perpetuate violence are not following Islam at all. They're following some distorted version or interpretation of Islam. Also, terrorism can be perpetuated by governments as well, not just individuals (i.e. China, Russia, North Korea, etc.).

Is that a fact that "all Muslims are terrorists?" I think I heard that on FOX News...great source I might add(real fair and balanced)...check my answer to this question in my Islamaphobia discussion.

well,thats not a convincing reason at all...how can say a reason like "they are not muslims"..?!?!?!?!?!?!? [b] you are just trying to escape[/b] as you dont know how to answer or accept my pomt.... try something better,LL...