Obama finds religion on offshore drilling

@xfahctor (14118)
Lancaster, New Hampshire
August 2, 2008 10:06am CST
Ok, I'm going to draw Ire and hurled bricks here I'm sure from my fellow conservatives for this I'm sure. I want to pat Obama on the back. It seems now he would consider a bill that contained provisions for offshore drilling now. He didn't seem to happy about it durring the press conference but seems he would still consider it now. I'm not going to start jumping up and down, pointing and yelling " FLIP FLOPPER!". There will be plenty of others to do this I'm sure, but I'm not going to fall in to that. My point is that more and more people are saying, "screww it, drill here now". Including a decent number of democrats in congress. There comes a tipping point when you just have to bite a bullet and do what we need to do.
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@mscott (1923)
• United States
3 Aug 08
Just the thought of drilling makes prices go down. Heck if we would start using solar, wind, and nuclear power imagine what that would do to oil. Obama will say whatever it takes to win, like a true politician. I am afraid the only thing that he is changing is his mind. He seems to be waivering on quite a few things now that he is the only democrat left.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
3 Aug 08
This is for Kennyrose - I'm not going to go through your entire response to point out all the inaccuracies but I couldn't let this one pass: "So tell me why did he stick with his democrat leadership and vote to wire tap the American people?" His DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP??? Whose bill to you think the FISA Wiretapping bill was? You've brought up this vote by Obama dozens if not hundreds of times and I'm not one bit hesitant to admit this was one thing Obama did that I disagree with, unlike you with your hero McCain who apparently is the only perfect human ever born. But, for you to try to pin this unconstitutional wiretapping bill on the Democrats is total BS and Kenny, I'd hope you know that because if you don't you have zero credibility. Annie
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Aug 08
I put this here because it is the last post in line at the time of writing. I wish I could post responses to my own thread to add thoughts. but being as we can't, it goes here. I have seen many people use the word "crisis" when referring to this oil issue. I don't know that it is really at crisis level yet. The situation in the 70's was a crisis. Waiting in 1/2 mile long lines to get gas when a filling station got it in was a crisis. Rationing based on license plate numbers or vouchers, was a crisis. This is a situation with the potential for crisis, but a crisis of huge proportions. We have thee ability to do something to steer it off. We have the power to indeed prevent it from becoming a crisis. I'm not saying it is not a bad situation. But the term crisis is tossed around so casually these days that anything not comfortable to us has become a crisis.
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• United States
5 Aug 08
KennyRose, I noticed that you "forgot" to mention all of the other presidents that decided that it wasn't a good idea to drill off the shore of the United States, and in ANWR. Why didn't George W. Bush do this in 2001? Why didn't George H.W. Bush do this from 1989-1993? Why didn't The Great Ronald Reagan do this from 1981-1989? But, we won't blame the other three men that did the same thing as Clinton, we will just blame him because he should have been smarter than all of those great republicans. As you recall, Bill Clinton played the oil companies like a fiddle, he use the SPR to keep them under rapes, and when they thought they were more powerful them him, he put them in check. Why doesn't he great George W. Bush do that today? He has the same powers as Clinton did, and alot more oil (do you think the 400 million barrels that Bush added to the SPR had anything to do with the price of oil going up?). But, George does have to do what he does best: Look out for himself. I am sure a year from now you see Bush going from oil company to oil company, making speeches to men that made billions off of his policies. But, it was all Clinton's fault.
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• United States
2 Aug 08
Actually, for Obama to admit in the face of evidence it is necessary to change one's mind is a positive to me. Let's hope he keeps it up. Maybe he can be a conservative democrat before the election.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 Aug 08
Isn't that a direct contradiction in terms? lol Kidding red. I guess eventualy most people find themselves admitting to the inevitable.
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• United States
2 Aug 08
Nah, believe it or not, a long time ago, conservative democrats were common and numerous. There is probably a PH.D. in political science or a good book deal for whoever can explain convincingly how the democratic party went from having many conservatives to being almost all liberal.
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@missybal (4490)
• United States
5 Aug 08
I think that the oil companies are afraid of pumping the wells dry because with all the laws and bans on drilling they will not have another resource. It takes a long time to drill off shore if we don't get started now we will really be in trouble.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
3 Aug 08
Xfahctor, I think you also deserve a pat on the back for saying this and I mean it with all sincerity, no sarcasm intended at all. I said many times and for a long time that flip-flopping isn't always a totally bad thing and some flip-flops aren't really flip-flops, if that makes any sense at all, and I've seen it apply to members of both parties in regards to various issues. Myself, at 55 I know I still have much to learn about many things and I hope I never stop learning and growing as long as I'm still alive. It so happens that as we learn we sometimes find out we've been wrong about one thing or another and I don't think there's any shame in admitting that and moving on from there. You're so right about the "tipping point" where some of us must bite the bullet and I think we've reached that point. I think I'm like many other Americans who are no experts when it comes to drilling for oil or alternative energy. That doesn't mean I or the rest of those like me are stupid or lazy or irresponsible it's just that we all have our areas of expertise - well, hopefully we do...lol! - and for other areas we trust in those how are more knowledgeable than were are to tell us the facts. We also hope that when we reach the tipping point you mentioned above that those who are supposed to know more about something that we do will abandon their "agenda" and do the right thing. I'd like to believe that all of us care about our environment, to varying degrees of course, but there comes a time when we must rearrange our priorities and do some compromising. I think we all can now agree that we need to come up with some alternate sources of energy and that it's not going to solve a thing to go back and forth and blame somebody or something from a year ago, eight years ago or twenty years ago. Obviously, if this would have been addressed years ago we wouldn't be in the shape we're in today but that ship has sailed so let's move on from where we are now. Annie
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Aug 08
Thank you! I like debating with you too because we can disagree and still respect each other and enjoy our little chats which is what I think myLot is supposed to be for. I really hope we've reached the point where everyone in a position to do anything to solve our energy problem gets off their high horses and finds a way work together. We have our immediate problem of the high prices nobody can afford and we have the longterm problem of finding alternate sources of energy so we don't keep finding ourselves with this same immediate problem because drilling is only a temporary solution even if "temporary" means several decades or even more. I'm sure plenty of people had an inkling we'd have a problem today thirty or forty years ago but did nothing; I hope people thirty or forty years from now aren't cursing us for doing nothing today. Annie
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Aug 08
Thanks for the kind words annie. This is why I love debating with you. We can punch each other in the face and smile at each other the whole time, lol. I have always recognized that there is flip flopping and there is realizing reality and learning. Both candidates have flip flopped. And both have learned and realized realities. The reason I say this wasn't a flip flop for him was his demeanor while he was saying it. I really believe he is realizing that it is becoming something we need to do. Hence, I commend him for it. Now if he could just talk some sense in to Pelosi and Ried, we might actually still get our way out of this mess. I hope he uses his clout and obviously great influence to do so. I urge his supporters to write him and urge him to do so.
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@oneidmnster (1384)
• United States
3 Aug 08
The first thing we need to do is get rid of the oil speculators.These are the idiots who are really raising the costs of oil.We have several American companies that get their oil strictly from the United States and the gas is the same price as every where else.Then we do what we should have done a long time ago.We quit depending on foreign oil. One of the biggest reasons Obama is against off-shore drilling is because a large portion of his campaign funds came from the same countries we get the majority of our oil from.The only reason he would be giving in even a little on this is he would probably lose votes over it.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Aug 08
The first thing you should know before I go further is that I am not an Obama supporter. Now, that being said: "Obama is against off-shore drilling is because a large portion of his campaign funds came from the same countries we get the majority of our oil from" the 2 problems with this statement are that a: He is no longer against it. b: It is absolutely illegal to receive campaign funds from out side the U.S. There is no proof that he has done this. As I said, I am not an Obama supporter, but lets keep our criticism of him accurate and factual. I agree, speculators in the U.S. need to be reigned in. And even further, your right, we have plenty of our own oil and should have no excuse whatsoever to be buying it from other countries. ESPECIALLY when some of these countries are drilling off our own shores and selling our own oil back to us.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Aug 08
Interesting. I was not aware of this. Is anyone officially looking in to it?
• United States
3 Aug 08
These campaign contributions came from Obamas internet fund raising.They were from overseas ISP's.They were in small amounts and the funds were not kept track of well enough to verify they weren't form American supporters.It was obvious by the amounts and the number of people it would have taken these were not from American citizens.Much of the money was traced to a bank in Saudi Arabia. This info was provides to the New York Post by an Obama campaign worker.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
3 Aug 08
Unfortunately, some folks think that since it could take as long as 10 years before we actually benefited from drilling in the Gulf that we shouldn't do so.
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@mscott (1923)
• United States
3 Aug 08
But if we would have started 20 years ago we wouldn't be in the same spot. The longer we wait the longer it will take. Imagine what prices will be 10 years from now if we don't start.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
2 Aug 08
Hello X, You're looking to the health of the nation, and the individual over the politics of the election. Who can fault you for that? You'll certainly not get bopped by a hurled brick from me, that's for sure! While I understand the reason for your 'attaboy' to BO, I am not 'at peace' with what he had to say at the alleged 'news conference' this morning. Specifically, he said that he had a vision of where the country needed to go, but that the Republicans had a different vision of where the country needed to go, and that in the spirit of 'getting the job done' for the whole country, he realized that he would have to make some sacrifices (or compromises -- I forget which word he actually used). I have a problem with that. That problem is: If drilling to alleviate the immediate fuel cruch is a sacrifice or a compromise away from his 'vision' of where the country needs to go, then what happens if he wins the election and no longer has the pressure of the fear of losing the election? Will he ride rough shod over the will of The People, as Mdm. Pelosi has? It would require that he 'buck' Pelosi and Reid if he remained diligent in responding to We The People. I have seen no evidence that he is willing to buck the Dem. leadership -- ever! He has no history of abandoning the Dem. position to cross the aisle on any legislation, State of IL or Federal. So, what should make us think that this 'compromise' or 'sacrifice' is other than simply a calculation to favor his chances of winning the election? And, that if elected he will revert to pushing his 'vision' without consideration to the will of The People? As I see it, this is simply more of the same old, same old. Politicians have been telling us what we want to hear as long as there have been politicians. In the majority of instances, their campaign promises are hauled away from the curb on the morning after election day. So, what happens if the Dems. fein cooperation now, then yank that cooperative effort on Nov. 5th? This would be worse than reaching no compromise at all. Why? Because the prices will begin to drop for now, then skyrocket when the country realizes that it has been duped. That subsequent fuel cost elevation will be just in time for the holidays. If folks believe that their discretionary spending will be freer, then they'll be inclined to over-spend in anticipation of Thanksgiving and Christmas/Hannukah. Then wham! The rug will get yanked out from under them -- again! Then in a terrible blow to every citizen with a 401 (c or k), or an IRA, the stock market will take a terrible hit at the historically worst time of year -- Oct and Nov. What's more, 'big' and 'small' oil will have allocated how much of their resources to expanded drilling? Then, they'll see the initiatives blocked again. Or, worse yet, political permitting games that stall progress while eating up resources. It certainly wouldn't be the first time! How many times have local drilling initiatives been given a 'green' light, only to be stalled by litigation after the company has spent millions on the project: economic impact studies, permitting costs, equipment, labor, etc... I can think of two such examples in the past 6 months in my state alone! So, when I hear this kind of begrudging surrender, I am very skeptical. BO wants to win the election, and telling a fib about something they hate as much as 'big oil' certainly isn't going to cause him to lose sleep.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 Aug 08
you raise an excelent point Luna. Lets just hope thathe means it and that congress does somethng BEFORE the election. I think the only way to get this done is to bring Pelosi on charges under the logan act for her syria stunt and get her the heck out of the way.
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@1richgirl (126)
• United States
3 Aug 08
good point! but has he really changed his mind or is he just saying what we want to hear? Please read my blog- "After the Dark Knight- Who will lead us out of the Dark Night-
• United States
2 Aug 08
I was happy to see Obama say that drilling is on the table, as with his foreign policy, I think that everything should be on the table. When you to limit your options, you limit your results. The problem that conservatitives have this years is that McCain has done his own fair share of flip flopping, his allows for both of them to change their mind often, and without fear of what happened to Kerry. The only thing I say to those that want to drill, is I hope that you see the need to keep that oil here in the United States. I was very upset to see republicans vote against a bill that would make the oil companies keep the oil they produce here to stay here. One of the other things I hope that everyone knows is the fact that the oil companies don't want to drill. It doesn't make business sense to drill with the price so high, just yesterday the 2nd quarter results came in for the majority of oil companies, and they set a record of $50.1 billion for three months. Do you understand why these guys don't want to change one thing?