confusion, Olympic-style
By cobrateacher
@cobrateacher (8432)
United States
August 8, 2008 8:02pm CST
The opening ceremonies are magnificent! I'd promised myself to have nothing to do with the Olympics this time around, because China's social and political policies are so horrible in so many ways. I was about to grab the remote, but all that beauty grabbed me. In a way, I feel as if I'm violating my own morality, but in another way, I really want to see American athletes, as well as those from other free countries, succeed.
Does it matter at all if I boycott this phenomenon? Does anybody care what I think of Chinese actions toward Tibet? Does it matter if I oppose governmental censorship of communications? If I watch the Olympics, am I condoning a government meddling in the lives of its people to the extent that they decide how many children a couple may have?
The people of China, as we can see here on myLot, are wonderful! Does their government hear my protests, since they're not allowed to speak up?
This is a real philosophical dilemma, and I can't even figure out where I stand on this issue.
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15 responses
@beryljiayou (27)
• China
11 Aug 08
Hei, Cobrateacher! I viewed most of the responses which conveyed the dissatisfacrion about the Chinese government and their policies.
I'm a Chinese. I should say the proplems you said do occur in our life. But your viewpoint is one-sided such like your stand on the Tibet issue. I can affirm you your source on this issue is wrong. I also watch TV stations like CNN. Frankly speaking, some foreign TV stations just confuse the public opinions for some political purposes.
Another question you refered to is the "one couple one child" state policy. Can you imagine the the severity of a country with so large population more than 1.3 billion? If we don't take any actions, I think you should feel horrible with so many Chineses and maybe consider it , saving your presence, as a threat.
Every nation has their way of life and dos and thoughts. Maybe some habbits in your eyes are incredible but we have lived through thousands of years. For example, you want medium-well steak which in our eyes is intolerable. We would choose the well-done one.
I'm glad you care about the issues in China. But we people are not in a situation just as what you said. On the contrary, we feel the progress step by step of our country whether it is economic or political or in some other aspects. We feel happy about our life and we are confident government will do better.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
11 Aug 08
This is a wonderful response! I hadn't thought about it, but if the people felt really oppressed, they would probably have rebelled long ago. Whether these ideas are accepted throughout China, or whether dissidents are dealt with so harshly that the general population knows little or nothing doesn't matter much to an individual. If your life is a good one for you, whhat more could one ask?
No matter what the reason, I honestly regret that the government decides for its people. Freedom is really important to all, and it can't thrive under a cloud. I'm sorry if I seem narrow-minded to you,but if the Chinese people chose to follow these rules instead of being forced to do so, it would be so much better for all!
@beryljiayou (27)
• China
12 Aug 08
Thanks for your understanding. Putting ourselves in someone's shoes is really important. Anyway, thank you again, Cobrateacher.
@gabbana (1815)
• China
9 Aug 08
well, your speech makes me dumb, i am really at a loss for words since i come from china. and there is no good or bad as to people of any nation. what really decides is the policy and attitude of their authorities. i don't like and care much about this game, but , just like you, i have to admite that i was deeply touched by the opening ceremony. good job! as to the matter Tibet, due to info.lock, i can not air my view on this since i don't have sufficient proof to say who is right or wrong. unless i stand in an objective position.
finally, i am glad you like the chinese people here.
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Oh, Gabbana, I can't stand the idea that you're hurt. The people have little to do with the policies of government. I just wish, somehow, you could live in freedom. Nobody would tell you what to say or what to write or how! We all need to be recognized as worthy of the respect it takes to allow us to particpate in government, and to live as we wish.
I truly believe we are all brothers and sisters; none is better or worse than another. We need to be uniting, not dividing from one another for financial reasons, for somebody's personal power, or for anything. I don't think everyone has to be alike. We just need to co-exist!
@shell1986 (405)
• United States
16 Aug 08
The opening ceremony was unbelievable!!! The 2008 synchronized drummers were completely awesome and it shows that China has been getting prepared for the Olympics for awhile. This year is the first time since 1996 that I was interested at all in watching. The Magnificent 7 on the US gymnastic team was what I loved to watch. This year I'm a swimming fan and Michael Phelps is awesome! Go team USA!!!
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
16 Aug 08
Just about all the Americans are doing better than expected, which is great! I can't stop watching the beach volleyball or gymnastics, simming and diving, and practically everything else. I'm sorry they don't have baseball in the Olympics anymore, but there are so many wonderful performances that practically hypnotize us! What an event it is!
@duranv (516)
• Honduras
9 Aug 08
I really don't understand why someone would boycott China, if you really think about it,no nation on earth would be able to hold the Olympics because there is a reason to boycott every country, I don't like Bush's policies, does that mean I would have to boycott a US Olympics? Japan hunts whales, do I have to boycott them, etc.? I think the Olympics are meant so people can have a feeling of belonging, of seeing athletes do things one can only dream of doing, in my case my country has never been near winning a medal, but I still root for the athletes we send, and I know the athletes will do their best, regardless of the venue.
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
9 Aug 08
It IS a dilemma - and I'm sure many/most Chinese citizens disagree with their government's actions, just as many Australians were opposed to our government sending troops to Iraq. I went to bed fairly early and didn't see the ceremony. I'm guessing they'll replay the highlights in the news later, so I'll see them then. Not being a sporty person, I usually don't watch the Olympics at all - but most years I get sucked into the swimming, as it's so hyped up here and you can't really avoid it.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
We get the swimming hype, too. One of the reasons Bush is the most hated President we've ever had is the Iraq war. We've lost well over 6,000 young people just so he could maintain his stance as an oil-man, and so he could please his father, whose war on Iraq was another disaster - something akin to a gift the father wasn't able to give himself.
I want peace and freedom for everyne, and I'm not handling the disappointment as well as I should!
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
9 Aug 08
It's hideous the way Americans were forced to accept a president's actions - the same as we were not asked whether we condoned our then Prime Minister being part of the Coalition of the Willing. Egos are bigger than decency, it seems. My heart breaks for the innocent citizens of Iraq.
@fyt227 (7)
• China
9 Aug 08
I really don't know how do you feel about China.Olympic is the greatest feat of all mankind.Everyone should forget politics here.Just enjoy the fantastic Games now.Then you won't be so confused.
China has 56 nationalities,it is difficult to manage.I think that every country would try their best to prevent the disunity.I really don't how do foreigners feel about China,but I do know our country's government is different from what you think.Maybe you should pay attention to the earthquake these days
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Welcome to myLot, my Chinese friend. Other Chinese myLotters have expressed the feeling that the Chinese government is doing the best for all. I can't agree, but I'm an American, and it's a fight to remain free here, too. Our present administration has done all sorts of horrible things in secret, which is a totally un-American way, but we know now, and we're going to have a new administration soon.
I believe I said it in earlier responses -- I am in awe of the athletes, and I'm really trying to put politics aside! In the same vein, I've never met a Chinese person I didn't find charming. This dislike of Chinese politics has nothing to do with the people at all. China is fascinating!
Maybe we should place the leaders of all the nations in a big room which they can't leave until they arrive at an agreement for co-existence in peace and freedom!
@hiddenwing (3719)
• China
9 Aug 08
Maybe, u don't really know China. I admit that some Chinese are not so good. However, the problem exists in each country. On the other hand, most Chinese are very friendly especially to American people. Also, u know what, The population of China is pretty large. Therefore, it is a big pressure. In order for people to live richer and healthier. The population has to be controlled. Else, more people will not only be a burden to China but also to the earth. For example, there is only one cake. One People will enjoy it with pleasure. Notwithstanding, a cake is not enough for to people to share. On the hand, they will not be happy, right.
Haha, best wishes. We all love peace. Wish people will be happy in each coutry. The more Chinese u really know, the more u will like China.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
The Chinese people I've nown have always been kind, nice people. My problem is not with them, but for them. I don't thing anybody needs to be spied upon, cenored, or in any other way denied freedom. I don't think, in any ppulation, everybody needs to be controlled. I just wish the Chinese did not need to fear anyone, and that they could be free. The US is far from perfect, and I don't know any country that is, but people need freedom to thrive. My belies are far from anti-Chinese. On the contrary, I wish I could free the Chinese and all the people of the world from tyrrany in any form!
Thank you for your astute response.
@fifileigh (3615)
• United States
9 Aug 08
what else is new? the government everywhere sucks..us govt is just as corrupt and crap as any other countries' govt. so that is not news to me. maybe china is slowly trying to make changes in their lives and this olympics was one of their big steps to open up to the world and hopefully change to a better country to come. lets help them make a transition and welcome them on for a better future...
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
There is no perfect government, but many countries do try to afford their people enough freedom to blossom into their best. I don't think anyone can do their very best if they have no freedom in which to grow.
The Chinese people I've met are invariably good people; the government is not.
@fadetoblack (64)
• China
9 Aug 08
I am Chinese and I am glad that you watched the ceremony.But i think you may have somewhat misunderstanding about China.We can speak up in a proper way nowaday and will not go to jail. Although in the past it did happen.But it has become history already.About child-birth plan, for a country with a population of around 1.3 billion, imagine that and stand in their shoes, maybe it is not that horrible as you think.For Tibet, as I don't know much about issue, i can not give any comments,but things happen with their own reasons.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
China is certainly better than it was in the past. I still can't deal well with restrictions on communications, the Internet, etc. People, like plants, thrive in the sunshine. There's no sun for oppressed people. We must support additional changes for the good of the people!
@dogsnme (1264)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I think the best way that China could have been boycotted in this respect is for the Olympic Committee to have refused to award them the oppurtunity to host the Olympic Games. Since it's too late for that, I think you should go ahead and watch the games. Because, now, you're supporting the athletes, and that's what's important.
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@leenie50 (3992)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Hi Cobra,
This dilemma is affecting so many of us. Like you I saw a couple of scenes and was so amazed at what I was seeing that I probably would have seen more if not for my husband having control of the remote. I was making dinner or I would have insisted on seeing more. You raised many questions, all of which are valid. I believe you know where you stand. Sometimes we have to let our hearts rule instead of our minds. I think there is a lot to be learned from watching the Olympics and if we turn the station or turn the tv off, we'll never know. Stop torturing yourself and enjoy.
Your Friend
leenie
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
You're right on the point, Leenie, as always. That's why it's such a dilemma. The athletes are indeed outstanding and deserve to be seen by all. I just wish there were a way to allow the people of all countries to be released from oppression. Just think of all the ways they could blossom without unnecessary restraints placed on their lives!
@valeria1 (2721)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I saw the opening also and I loved it. I understand your viewpoint, but I think you should just watch for the people forget government and all that bla, if you enjoy watch it, will be good to see the most talented ones win! Nice to see you!
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
The athletes are just incredible! That's why the problems with government hurt so much. All people need to be free to realize their greatest potential. If the athletes from oppressed countries are this good, just think how they could soar if they were free too do as they wish!
@danimalhite (141)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Yeah i was reading and they out lawed the sell of dog meat during the olypics.
I was also reading how they evicted 400,000 people to prepare for the olympics.
Sickning.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
There are just too many instances of mistreatment in Chinas and a lot of other countries!
@danimalhite (141)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Yes it is very unfortunate what is happening. I can understand how some people would boycott the olympics but i think we are wrong for the boycott. One thing about the olympics is that it has always been about the athletes. From day one it has been about the athletes. I think that people sometimes forget. I personally do not care where they are held because I watch to support the ones we are honoring. The Athletes. American, Chineese, Russian, and even Pakistan.
If the athletes could help I'm sure they would, but the truth is that some of them have no choice and for that I will support them.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
I agree, Danimalhite, but it's hard to put aside the horrors the Chinese government has wrought in the world, and especially in their country. Any anger about it goes to the Olympic Committee, who decided to grant the Games to China.
The athletes are amazing young people, and I'm with them all the way!
@shinymood (405)
• China
9 Aug 08
Hi,dear friend. Don't be so confused and sad about Olympics being held in China. If it is not now,it will be tomorrow anyway. I am Chines and I have spent my 30 years in this country. I do feel sad about some intransparency of the policies here but it takes time to improve. It's absolutely different from USA where people from other parts of the globe fly to dedicate to found this country. But China has over 5000 years of history. It's heavy and hard to change overnight. And sometimes news can be misleading. I feel that people would change their bad impressions of China if they could personally come and take a look at our region themselves. We do speak up for our rights but in a subtle way and we're trying all the time. I know my English is not good enough for me to explain what i mean, but i do hope that you can enjoy the wonderful games without being so painfully wrought. Have a nice day and wish you all the best!
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
9 Aug 08
Shinymood, I didn't intend to be hurtful. The vast differences do make it a bit difficult. China is, from all I've heard and read, and seen, I think the country is gorgeous, and the people are really nice. It's the politics I choke on, because I believe everyone on Earth deserves w modicum of freedom.
You English is very good. Your post is erudite and moving. One advantage of freedom would be that China would no longer be a mystery to most of the rest of the world. We should all know enough about each other's cultures to understand what they mean when we communicate.
The US is far from perfect, but we do all we can to maintain our freedom. That's why so many of us are deeply involved in the coming elections. The current administration has done us all too much damage.
@shinymood (405)
• China
10 Aug 08
I really think you are a very nice person. You care for us all in this same planet. The good news is that China is becoming better and better with the internet,other multimedia to speak up for its people. We now have some TV programmes that set out to criticize bad things happen in China and call for government actions. They work! Helpless people find way to get help too.