Where are the War Protestors?
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
August 13, 2008 6:53am CST
Terrorists hit Kobar Towers, the USS Cole, The Marine Barracks in Beirut and drown and innocent man in a wheelchair and the war protestors are silent.
Russia and Georgia go to war, the war protestors are silent.
Why is it that the war protestors only seem to be against war when the US is shooting?
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
13 Aug 08
There are 2 reasons the war protestors target the USA and not most other combatants.
1) The USA will sometimes be influenced by the protests because our government will actually listen to reason whereas other combatants are not swayed by war protests.
2) The USA will not imprison or have killed the people who protest whereas other combatants sometimes will.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Aug 08
That doesn't explain the war protestors in the US and England who only seem to hate it when we are shooting. They lie about hating war, but their silence tells a different tale.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
13 Aug 08
Okay, let me be more direct.
1) The USA might listen, others never do, so why bother to protest?
2) The USA won't put protestors in prison or kill them, others will, so protestors don't tempt fate by asking to be killed or imprisoned because of their protests.
Anti-war protestors are silent concerning other combatants than the USA because it is a waste of time and dangerous to protest the wars of others.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
13 Aug 08
American lefties are not against war just against America. American lefties love to see America defeated on the battlefield, like in Vietnam and Iraq. American lefties are like those annoying mothers that tell their child who is being picked on by a bully not to fight back. So every day the child comes home with a black eye, and the mother just ask did you tell the teacher. So when America is being pick on the America lefties say instead of protecting ourselves we should use our words, what non-sense.
The reason you do not see anti-war protesters over in Russia is they would be shot. No blood for oil, the Russian Georgian war is truly blood for oil.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
13 Aug 08
Jerzgirl please pick up a history book before you respond. North Vietnam attack the USS Maddox, which was in international water. Iraq did you just forget about Saddam Hussein. I guess you think Saddam was just a misunderstood individual.
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@jerzgirl (9291)
• United States
13 Aug 08
Ahem....when did Vietnam and Iraq "pick on" us? And, I did tell my kids to stand up for themselves. If ignoring the bully didn't work, then by all means, let them have it! Sometimes, that's the only way a bully will listen. Generalization by any other name is prejudice.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Aug 08
Jerzgurl, we've been through this before. Iraq did fire at US and British jets in the No Fly Zones. Zones that Hussein agreed to in the ceasefire agreement. Apparently you really don't care that our jets were shot at, you only care about riding that innane Bush Bash Bus.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Aug 08
Isn't the answer obvious? It's our fault. ALL of it. We need to be punished and we have no business fighting back. If you live in Berkely County California then 9-11 was our fault and our entire military should be disbanded. Remember, that's the same place that produced Johnny Walker, everyone's favorite American al Quaeda.
The liberals have also made it clear that we have no right to tell Russia to stop murdering civilians in Georgia. Not only are we not allowed to fight, we're not allowed to tell others not to fight.
These war protestors aren't just in the US. A few years ago I had friends that went on a honeymoon in Europe. In Belgium the government closed schools and forced the schoolchildren to march in protest of the war in Iraq. I can't imagine an American school ever closing just to force children to protest something they know nothing about.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Aug 08
"I can't imagine an American school ever closing just to force children to protest something they know nothing about."
Neither could I until a year or so ago. then I saw a school that organized a group of kids to protest the government's "discrimination" of illegal aliens.
@devylan (695)
• United States
13 Aug 08
But, Xfahctor, you said the school organized a group of kids; whereas, Taskr said these kids in Belgium were forced by their government. This is totally different. The kids who were organized here in America were not forced to protest. They wanted to, whether or not you think they didn't understand what was going on.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Aug 08
I didn't think about it when I first responded, but I can't help but wonder, where were the war protesters when Bill Clinton waged an illegal war in former Yugoslavia? People say Bush is waging an illegal war, but congress voted on and supported that war. When Clinton went to war in former Yugoslavia congress voted against it 427 to 2. I don't recall a single protester calling Clinton a war criminal and demanding he be impeached over it. Not one. I guess these protesters wouldn't dare question a draft dodger.
@jerzgirl (9291)
• United States
13 Aug 08
If you mean OUR war protestors, I'd say it's because they live here, not there. If you mean European war protestors, then it's because 1) terrorist attacks aren't war; they're not continuous military engagements requiring fellow countrymen to risk their lives: and 2) Russia isn't trying to get the world to join it in attacking Georgia, nor is it trying to tell the world what it can or can't do; it just does it's own thing, screw the world. And, Russia doesn't go beyond it's boundaries to start battles. I'd say it's pretty elementary on why they aren't out and about.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Aug 08
1) Georgia IS beyond Russia's boundaries, but that's a topic for another thread.
The protestors say they are against war, yet when the US is attacked they are almost always silent. They don't consider anything a war until the US actually fights back. As long as someone is killing Americans, they don't care.
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@TantrooM (61)
• United States
15 Aug 08
If you mean US protesters, it's mainly because you can say stuff, but at the end of the day Russia's government is not represented, or paid for, by their tax dollars. All we can do is tell our government to tell their government they are wrong, and take steps to fix that situation, which they already did and are doing. Maybe in that essence they feel more persuaded to address their representatives before another's. Though they can hold a protest, it would be a nice gesture, and maybe some are, but the news doesn't care because they just want to cover the nitty gritty over there since it is a fresh war.
Putin kinda has us on the hypocrite stance though, claiming since we invaded Iraq because of Saddam's crimes against his people, he is equally justified in taking on Georgia because of the crimes their leader committed on people. So in other words, our war has given them leverage to justify their's. So all it now takes to attack another country is that a leader has been accused of murdering his people... great, with 9/11 truthers claiming our President killed people.... who knows when someone's gonna attack us and use Bush and Putin's logic to justify it.
It's wrong when Bush did it, it's wrong when Putin does it, I personally have not protested (with signs anyway) either, but I do stand against it, and both. The war in Iraq has happened for 5 years, the war in Georgia just started, protests for Iraq didn't start becoming apparent until more then a year into it. So um, have you protested Russia yet? Or or you just here with an agenda to attack a particular group of people who have not invaded a country? Kinda opportunistic to use a bloody conflict to attack a group of people, I dislike it when either side does it. Like when 9/11 victims are used to sell government regulations they (the victims) might have been opposed to. Or when VT victims are used to try and regulate video games, when the victims themselves were gamers. It's sick, and probably one of the most disgusting acts of humanity that I know of, far more so then war.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Aug 08
You forget, there was a ceasefire between the US (and my extension, the Coalition), and Iraq. What differentiates a ceasefire agreement and a surrender is; a surrender ends the war, a ceasefire is merely an agreement between both sides to stop shooting, and sets the terms under which the sides will continue to stop shooting.
Hussein broke those terms time and time again. The UN took action against Hussein based on those terms (under the resolution they passed bassed on the ceasefire, not the ceasefire itself, since the UN was not a signatory of it), Prs. Clinton also took action against Hussein because of the infractions of the ceasefire agreement.
When Prs. Bush chose to return to hostilities with Iraq, he was merely exercising the ultimate term of all ceasefire agreements. In other words, as much as Hussein whined and complained about it, it was something he had agreed to 12 years previously.
On the other hand, when Georgia gained independence from Russia, S. Ossetia was part of the Georgia. As such, Russia had no authority to have "Peacekeepers" in S. Ossetia.
In fairness, Georgia's claim to S. Ossetia is also in dispute, so there is serious question about whether or not Geogia has any authority to have "peacekeepers" in S. Ossetia also. Of course, no nation on earth recognizes S. Ossetia's claim to being a sovereign nation, so both S. Ossetia and Georgia have a lot to work out.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Aug 08
I am comming to a few beliefs.
a). War protesters like easy targets
b). War protesters believe being apologists will make us safer, as if the enemy will see them protesting and think "well, they do have some nice people so we will leave them alone"
c). War protesters are doing it for show and want to create the impression they are doing something noble by supporting a cause they believe to be popular
and D). they have not taken the time to truly eduacte themselves and become informed on facts and realities
@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
13 Aug 08
To have protesters you must have freedom, don't you ?
Repressive countries suffer from lack of protests because people are constantly reminded of the need to be quiet.
That also applies in the psychological sense too.
Hence the lack of protesters.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Aug 08
I am talking about protestors in free societies. I understand why there are few in totalitarian ones.
@captain_pugwash (40)
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13 Aug 08
a sparrow in flight is more powerful than a eagle with broken wings.
all the war protesters are over in china crying about tibet.
they might want to consider the homeless in thier own country first.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
13 Aug 08
We all have our issues that we choose to champion. I'm not trying to tell someone else what causes they should choose, I'm just questioning the true motives of those who say they are anti war, but then choose a side.
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