Why was Lilith removed from the bible?
@victoriasparda (161)
United States
August 13, 2008 6:38pm CST
I know most people say she was never in there to begin with, but in truth she is mentioned in the old latin version of the bible (My family has one that's well over 200 years old that I started translating and reading, she is in it) but she has been removed from the newer translations, why is that?
She was not a demon, she was a woman when made, she was cast out because she would not follow Adam's orders since she was made from the same clay he was she saw herself as equal to Adam, which she was, and she was cast into exile due to it.
So why is such a strong and independant character not mentioned in the newer bibles when she was in fact in the older texts?
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
14 Aug 08
Your family must be pretty rich to own a copy of the Torah over 2k years old.
@victoriasparda (161)
• United States
14 Aug 08
Family heirloom, it's been passed down in our family for over 200 years (I said 200, not 2000, how my family first got it I don't know but I know they have the old thing) they've had it since my family first came to America, none of us know how they got their hands on it in the first place.
@victoriasparda (161)
• United States
14 Aug 08
I think it's the versio vulgate if I'm remembering properly.
@victoriasparda (161)
• United States
14 Aug 08
Oh, forgot to add, I've heard people say she is also mentioned in the Bin Sira version of the bible.
@Drpachecoa (3)
• United States
22 Oct 08
you are either miss quoteing or misinterpting scriptures. Lilith was never in the bible. I have study scriptures and traveled the world.
And there are not many different translations of the bible. Just have to ask yourself if you understand a word for word or word for thought.
Example :King James (Word for Word/12 grade and above reading level) In the begining God created the Heaven and the Earth.
N.I.V(Word for thought/5 grade and under reading level) In the begining God created the HeavenS and the Earth.
As we all knkow there is one heaven and one earh but when NIV put the word "Heavens" with an "S" at the end is a thought not an amount. It is to help the read understand what is meant not how much was created.
Victotiasparda, I think you should not answer some of these question because it is really obvious you know very little and assume a lot.
Shalome.
@Drpachecoa (3)
• United States
22 Oct 08
And for those who think the bible puts down woman I think you should read and not listen to faulse docturen. There are many great woman in the bible. It was a woman who first seen Jesus and she doubted not. It was a woman who gave birth to the only begotton son of the true living God. And much much more. As a matter of fact in the begining God look upon man and said "It is not good that man should be alone so He made him a help meet" A help meet in the orgional scriputers is called "A conferter" and a the title of the Holy Spirit is "The Conferter". So if more men read with understanding. they would know what the closes thing to a holy spirit is a woman of God. Also a man if the head of the house hold but it also says that a Godly woman is the crown on a man's head.
The crown simblizes autority, so unless a godly woman gives a man the autority to be the head of the house hold he is just a man. And every king before he is crowned must prove himself worthy.
So lilith was never in any scriptures to begin with. From old to new. Hidden or not she is not there. Made up. And just so we get something clean, just because woman was made from the rib of man does not make them unequel, remember it says for the 2 become one flesh. equal but with different jobs to fulfil.
Shalome
@sh3g33k (1)
• United States
3 Nov 08
Some scriptures in the bible make us think that women should be completely silent and never speak in church when that is not true. We have to think about what context the writing was in. In 1 Cor. 14:34-35 it says "Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says. If they have any questions to ask, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in church meetings."
This is what the foot notes say in my bible, and it makes a lot of sense...
It is clear from 11:15 that women prayed and prohesied in public worship. It is also clear in chapters 12-14 that women are given spiritual gifts and are encouraged to excercise them in the body of Christ.
Apparantly some of hte women who had become christians thought that their christian freedom gave them the right to question men in public worship. This was causing division in the church. In addition, women of that day did not receive formal religious education as did the men. Woman may have been answered at home without disrupting the services. Paul was asking women not to flaunt their christian freedome during worship. the purplose of pauls words was to promote unity, not to teach womens roles in the church.
Then in 1 Timothy 2:12 it is written "I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly."
The footnotes say...
Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching. Pauls commended co-worker Priscilla, taught Apollos, the great preacer (Acts 18:24-26) In addition In addition, Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of responsibility in the church. Phoebe worked in the church (Romans 16:1) Mary, Tryphena, Tryhosa, and Persis were the Lord's workers (Romans 16:6, 12) as were Euodia, Syntyche (Phillipians 4:2). Paul was very likely prohibiting the Ephesian women, not all women from teaching.
And on a side note, someone mentioned earlier that The Council of Nicaea took out all mention of women because they didn't want women to be seen anywhere near equal to them... and all that stuff. I don't believe that because they would have taken out all these other mentions of women in the bible. There are men out there that are sexist, and believe that women are below them... And there are men out there who will stand up for a woman's right and stand up to the men who think women are below them... even though a lot of women stereo-type them. There are good and bad women and men. There are women mentioned in the Lineage of Jesus. Before that lineage there was never a woman mentioned in one of them. So I will stand up and say that Men are Good. My man would stand of and defend me anytime and declare that I have every right he does. And I know lots of others who would do the same thing for any woman.
@sh3g33k3rs (1)
• United States
3 Nov 08
Some scriptures in the bible make us think that women should be completely silent and never speak in church when that is not true. We have to think about what context the writing was in. In 1 Cor. 14:34-35 it says "Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says. If they have any questions to ask, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in church meetings."
This is what the foot notes say in my bible, and it makes a lot of sense...
It is clear from 11:15 that women prayed and prohesied in public worship. It is also clear in chapters 12-14 that women are given spiritual gifts and are encouraged to excercise them in the body of Christ.
Apparantly some of hte women who had become christians thought that their christian freedom gave them the right to question men in public worship. This was causing division in the church. In addition, women of that day did not receive formal religious education as did the men. Woman may have been answered at home without disrupting the services. Paul was asking women not to flaunt their christian freedome during worship. the purplose of pauls words was to promote unity, not to teach womens roles in the church.
Then in 1 Timothy 2:12 it is written "I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly."
The footnotes say...
Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching. Pauls commended co-worker Priscilla, taught Apollos, the great preacer (Acts 18:24-26) In addition In addition, Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of responsibility in the church. Phoebe worked in the church (Romans 16:1) Mary, Tryphena, Tryhosa, and Persis were the Lord's workers (Romans 16:6, 12) as were Euodia, Syntyche (Phillipians 4:2). Paul was very likely prohibiting the Ephesian women, not all women from teaching.
And on a side note, someone mentioned earlier that The Council of Nicaea took out all mention of women because they didn't want women to be seen anywhere near equal to them... and all that stuff. I don't believe that because they would have taken out all these other mentions of women in the bible. There are men out there that are sexist, and believe that women are below them... And there are men out there who will stand up for a woman's right and stand up to the men who think women are below them... even though a lot of women stereo-type them. There are good and bad women and men. There are women mentioned in the Lineage of Jesus. Before that lineage there was never a woman mentioned in one of them. So I will stand up and say that Men are Good. My man would stand of and defend me anytime and declare that I have every right he does. And I know lots of others who would do the same thing for any woman.
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
19 Jan 11
a lot of books are removed from the Bible
either the whole book, or half of each book, or a character in it, or they just change the role of a particular character
I am not sure when the removal happened and how many versions of Bible have been published in what century
but it seems to me it's done gradually over the first centuries of the age of pisces because you are not the only one mentioning an older version
I don't know about other religion's holy books but even if I know I won't mention it here because bigots will do all they can to being me down
I'd rather just let bigots believe what they want and just like all beings, they will receive consequences of their actions this life time and the next
right now I am more concerned about my own spiritual work
because a shift will start in March 2011 and some people actually say the shift has begun last summer solstice
thanks for starting this thread and pls add me as friend if you would like to
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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14 Aug 08
Hi victoria,
See I never knew anything about her because no one mentioned her. It make me wonder what they are trying to hide, was created befor Eve?
Tamara
@victoriasparda (161)
• United States
14 Aug 08
Yes, before Eve, was created from the clay just as Adam was. Many myths have made her out to be a demon but she started as a woman who refused to serve under a man.
There is so muc mystery surrounding her story it isn't even funny.
@babyfirefighter (568)
• United States
14 Aug 08
I believe that the KJV bible is the true bible of god and gods true words. If lilth is no in there then I dont believe that there was anyone called lilith. But you mention Adam are you talking about eve because the bibe only makes mention of eve being made of adams clay. But, I would not mind knowing more about lilith.
@bentreed (31)
• United States
29 Jul 10
I dont believe that such a person ever existed in the Bible or in the begining. I have never ever found where the Bible lied. So if it was so, then in the original old testament writings, it would have been there but no scholar has ever come to say such a person existed.
It would be great to see a copy of that Bible or Writing of yours.
@vonkristoffer (833)
• Philippines
14 Aug 08
^_^
meenn its a Jewish supernatural tales..
many authors said that lilith is the cause of a man's wet dream.. because she needed the semens to bore more demons.. and later on she became the wife of Lucifer..
some said that.. "Lilith is associated with the lilin, one of three classes of demons that appear in rabbinic writings."
thus this word appearance is found in Isa. 34:14-5 (NRSV)
no exact evidence that she is the wife of Adam before eve.. its a myth..