Battered Husbands... do they have rights too?
By aseretdd
@aseretdd (13730)
Philippines
August 14, 2008 9:01pm CST
We all know about the hundreds of rights and non government organizations that help battered wives... but how about the battered husbands... some societies might think... is there such a thing... but the fact is yes... battered husbands do exist... although not as many as the battered wives... but i do think there should be laws to protect them too...
What prompted me to start this discussions?... well... a friend of mine is one such person... and you might ask how can he be battered when we all know that most men are physically stronger than women... well again... the wife is very skilled in Judo-Karate... and the husband is not the sort of man who fights back nor hits women...
And i know that my friend is not alone in my country or in the world... so if there is a help desk for women in need... what about for the men?...
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17 responses
@SusanLee (1920)
• United States
15 Aug 08
They should have every right a woman has.
I think there are more out there than we will ever hear about because there is such a stigma attached to big, virile men being knocked around by their wives.
If they come forward and really press the issue, imagine the heckling and snickering they would have to put up with from family, friends, and the community.
It's almost like a woman who has been raped, somehow the whole thing is turned around it's her fault.
With an abused man, it would be like he can't control his wife and he's labeled a wuss.
It would have to be a very hard situation to be in.
I'm a woman and my feelings are the same for both sexes, if you haul off and slug me, you better just go ahead and kill me because I'm going to give back as good as I got, even if I have to wait for you to go to sleep to deliver the goods.
(For the record, I have never been hit by anyone, with the exception of an occasional spanking as a child, which I deserved lol)
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
19 Aug 08
There are indeed more out there than we know... but it is hard to determine the statistics because like you said... there is a stigma when it comes to men being battered by women... but i think they should also be protected nevertheless... thanks for the response...
@iskayz (5420)
• Philippines
15 Aug 08
Hi!
I think anyone who is being abused deserves to be protected and be given help. But sadly I think society and government has never recognized battered husbands thats why no organization or government agency is there to protect them. Maybe the reason for this is because men are known to be strong like what you said and that no reports or complaints have been made. Battered husbands are also not so common unlike in wives so they don't get noticed at all.
Maybe if battered husbands would go out in the open like what wives do then society will be alarmed and aware of their situation.
Ciao!
@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
18 Aug 08
But with the current social stigma about men... i don't think battered husbands are ready to go out in the open right now... but when numbers start increasing... and they are ready to face society with their problem... then that will only be the time they will get the much needed protection they deserve... thanks for the response...
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@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
15 Aug 08
Hi aseretdd,
[i]You are correct..Maybe no one really think about this, about the possibility of this case! I heard before that our teacher in Socio was a battered husband, he is very gentle and with a good heart..I know him since he was our adviser for one organization!
I do know really if it was true but just last 2007, I met him and I learned that her wife left him! He can't even visit the kids![/i]
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
15 Aug 08
Equality of the sexes does not only entail giving more rights to women... but equally giving men certain rights too... i am a woman... but seeing such inequality is not right... there should be a move to protect battered husbands too... but the problem is... who will make the first step?... thanks for the response...
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
15 Aug 08
You are right, they do need an advocate. The problem is most won't speak up for themselves. The reason you don't hear much about battered husbands is that most are embarrassed to be such. Like you said, they are physically stronger than women, so its kinda emasculating to report that your wife or girlfriend is beating on you. They probably think that officials will call them punk or look at them like they are weak. So it may be a lost cause to create such a service, because IMO not many men would use it.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
15 Aug 08
I think drknlvly6781 is correct. Even if there were services, many men would probably not take advantage of them. I think most men would still be prone to be ashamed to admit that a woman is abusing him.
I saw my first battered male years ago. He was a thin man and his wife was rather stout. She was always pushing him around in public and that made me wonder what she did behind closed doors. (He was too gentlemanly to push her back.)
Sure enough, one night he showed up at my apartment asking to sleep on the sofa. The two of them often worked different shifts, since he was in hospital maintenance and she was a nurse. He was sound asleep when she came home that night, and she jumped on him putting her whole weight and her knees into his chest. Since he had had bypass surgery, that really worried me, but he would have no parts of going to the hospital. The next day, he saw a doctor at the hospital where they both worked and he did have multiple broken ribs. He told the doc that he fell, but I'm sure the doc realized he couldn't have broken them that way. (There were two huge bruises where her knees hit his chest.)
Just like a male batterer, the woman said she was sorry the next day. And just like a female being battered, he forgave her and thought she would never do it again.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
18 Aug 08
It may be a lost cause for now but i hope in the future men would finally admit to it...
My dear Kenzie45230... your story is quite a shock to me... i can't imagine a man putting up to that sort of woman... i hope by now he already left her... and he found a woman who will not abuse him... but will make him happy...
Thanks for the response...
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
15 Aug 08
There was a time when battered men in this country would be too ashamed to seek help and when the authorities would laugh off their complaints, but it isn't like that any more. Now when police are called out to attend to a disturbance, it is often the woman who is booked for domestic violence.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
15 Aug 08
In my country... most men are still ashamed to seek help... and when they do... society will view them as no good husbands who can't even stand up against their wives... in my language that would be "Ander da Saya"... or "Under the Saya"... Saya being the skirt of the woman... and i have never heard of a Filipina being booked for causing domestic violence... thanks for the response...
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@gr8life (6251)
• Malaysia
15 Aug 08
Hello aseretdd,
I think they deserve to be protected too. Well, it sounds funny when you hear the words 'battered husbands' but like you said, yes...they do exist. I don't have to go that far to look for an example - my late brother was one good example. He didn't get 'battered' actually but he was a type of man who will not fight back or even hit any human beings. He was being 'bullied' by his 'soft spoken' wife. I witnessed how much he suffered, how he struggled to be fair to both side - our family and his own family. And the sad case - he didn't succeed until the end.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
15 Aug 08
Well, your late brother was not physically battered... but for sure he was emotionally battered by his wife... there is different ways of being battered and women are protected from each of them... it is just sad that some men do not try to fight back nor do they seek help from authorities since this sort of thing is not commonly talked about...
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@tarachand (3895)
• India
21 Aug 08
Every creature has a right to live and die with dignity. I think just being physically stronger, or more skilled or mentally stronger or whatever advantage one creature has over the other, doe not give the stronger or privileged person a right to bully anyone else.
I think there are battered husbands societies- I am sure there is one in New Delhi India, and am quite sure that there must be many globally too.
I think human rights are sacrosanct.
@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
21 Aug 08
Well, unless the men stand up and demand for laws protecting them against abuse... they won't get it... society by far has closed her eyes and ears on battered men... because a lot of people think that is just not possible... but then... it is possible... but the men are to ashamed to come out... thanks for the response...
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
19 Aug 08
So the situation is same everywhere! (chuckles)
In India, dowry is a big issue over which thousands of young girls and brides are burnt by abusive husbands and in-laws. To prevent this, a law was formulated which protected women against any form of harassment by in-laws and husbands…all a woman had to do was walk into a police station and complain of harassment and the concerned people would be behind bars (investigation can come later)…gradually this law started getting abused and many vindictive women would fabricate charges either to get a quick divorce or to see the in-laws behind bars and settle personal scores. This has now prompted a section of the male population to demand a similar law for them (which is being looked into). Also many husbands have joined them stating cases where they (together with their aged parents maybe) were tortured and harassed (mentally or physically) by aggressive wives and they had nowhere to complain. Now where does this leave me? I am actually confused coz though I would not like to see any close person of mine (male or female) to be tortured in any way, a part of me thinks that let the male face the music for a change…what’s the rush for change! After all we women have been facing this music since the start of society itself
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
20 Aug 08
It is good that the male population in your country admit to such a situation... others would be too ashamed to do that... but i think everybody needs to be protected no matter how it was in the past... so that we can build a better future for the next generation... thanks for the respones...
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
16 Aug 08
Your friend should call the Spousal Abuse Hotline, they accommodate men too. That's why it is called "spousal abuse" as opposed to wife or husband abuse. I know many such organizations and all the ones I know would help in this situation. If you have any problems send me a private message.
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@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Just because a woman is skilled in Karate does not give her the right to hit anyone and she is not following the teachings of Judo/Karate. Most of those disciplines teach not to attack first and only attack long enough to put a person down and then run away.
She is a bully and should be arrested.
I do not know of any shelter that protects men but he should start at the woman's shelter and they may be able to help him.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
25 Aug 08
They are separated right now... and i don't think he has plans of going back to her... i just hope he will never go back to her... she is indeed a bully... and we suspect that she is also bipolar... because of her constant and sudden mood changes... thanks for the response...
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@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
1 Sep 08
I hope she does not start stocking him. I hope he can be safe now.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
21 Jan 09
As you said...women are the ones more often than not that are battered. That is not to say that men are not abused because there is no doubt about it...they are. The difference is that us women banded together and founded the womens crisis centers that you will find all over the world to protect women. Men? well, they just aren't so creative or proactive, I guess. You could do the same thing if you really wanted to.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
21 Jan 09
Well, i think men are too ashamed to admit that they are being battered by their wives... because society dictates that men are the physically stonger gender... i don't think i will ever create a men's crises organization since i am female... and people might just laugh at me...
Thanks for the response and for reviving this discussion...
@eihdra (3115)
• Philippines
19 Aug 08
Yes, I believe they do have the same rights as battered women. But, unfortunately, men like that don't come out in the open and not ready to be made as laughing stock of the society most specially their family. WHo would believe that a man who is stronger than a women, would allow to be battered by his wife? Unless he is so skinny and his wife is robust, then, someone might believe his story.
Most of us are lead to believe that men are superior than women when it comes to strength. But, sometimes, some men, will not fight with their wives, so psychologically and emotionally, they feel battered and bruised...
If your friend is ready to reveal to the world that he is being battered, if he is ready more specifically, psychologically-emotionally,if he is ready for all the humiliation or embarrassments that he will get..Then, by all means, he should seek professional help...Go to the authorities or the women's desk. They also cater to men who are abused by their wives.
But first, he has to have some proofs ready. Like take pictures after a beating, if the beating can be seen physically. If he was badly beaten up, go to the nearest hospital and have them document their findings. Have a copy of those and go to the nearest Police Station and have it blottered or logged. Do not waste time. If he can get away after the abuse, the better chance of having the fresh wounds documented. If a neighbor heard the fight or if there are other witnesses, don't forget to include their names, so the Police will be able to interview them. If needed in court, they could be his vital witnesses and they cannot lie under oath or they would suffer jailtime too for, I think, Perjury.
If he is really sure or serious in filing a case against his wife, there are hotlines for battered women. Don't think that they will turn him down. They will be able to help, if help is really needed and if he can show evidence of what is truly happening. They are trained to accept all calls. There would be questions that needs to be answered and they know if it is a prank caller. Best if he just get the location of the help desk and go there personally with the evidence, so all thoughts about his case being a prank will be crossed out. Same with the police, bring all the proof.. You know men, they might laugh at him behind his back, all with the machismo blah blah..They might think that he's some kind of sissy (pardon me)and could not stand up to his wife..
Last but not the least...tell him to have courage and fight for his right. He is a human being and each and one of us have our own rights to live a better life...
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
20 Aug 08
I do not know if he can do that just now... since he still confused with what is happening with his life... but for now... he left the house and the wife did not give him any money and even took his cell phone... he is contemplating on going back because of his children... so i will talk to him when he is can think straight... thanks for the response...
@eihdra (3115)
• Philippines
20 Aug 08
Good that he already left the house. He should go to his family because these are the times that he needs their love and support.
As for thinking on going back, not now..he will get custody of the kids if they are over 7 years old, once the court decided that she is not a fit mother..
If he is not yet ready to file for a case or even just to go to the police and have her blottered, just make sure that he will gather the evidence or proof that he was battered. Time is of the essence. Physical Wounds heal, and a physical examination from a doctor the time that it happened,I think, will be admissible to the the court.
Photos,medical examinations,sworn statements from witnesses are vital to his case and to the awarding of the kids to him as sole custody.
If he doesn't have a job, he must have one before the court hearings start (in case he decides to file). The court will ask how will he support his kids in case they be awarded to him..
Best of all, pray and ask for God's guidance....
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@TheCarter (369)
• United States
25 Aug 08
That is a great topic for conversation. I myself was a victim of abuse for a while. If you knew me you would think that was impossible, but yes The Don had some issues with this.
My wife has never been in a physical fight, but all my friends agree that she has terribly aggressive mannerisms. She will yell, point, and stand over you while she talks, which are all really bad habits.
In private she began with slapping me when she would get angry. I asked her not to because I do not feel it is right for anyone to hit another person even a woman hitting a man. She agreed but did not comply. This went on for years; the slaps turned to punches and kicks and the frequency became alarming! Before long I realized that she had turned into a bully and I couldn't believe it!
It all came to a head one day when she backhanded me in the mouth and drew blood. I very quickly returned the favor, really out of reflex than intention and that was it. I barely touched her but all of the sudden, I became some abusive monster capable of killing her and on and on and on. I could not believe it! I still hear it two years later how she can't believe I did that.
After that incident we had a serious discussion about her aggressive habits and she has since calmed down almost 100%. She had never realized how bad the habit was until I hit her back. Then she realized the Golden rule. Do unto others...
My experience is not uncommon in America. Some women think that because they are physically weaker than most men that it is ok for them to both verbally and physically abuse them. This ought not be, but it is. Also, you have to take into account that men go to jail if a woman says she was hit, pushed, or even yelled at severely in the US. This is such a complicated matter to deal with and I don't know if changing the law of the land is the answer, people have to learn to get along.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
25 Aug 08
Not a lot of men would admit that they are or have been battered by their wives... because of the social stigma that comes with it... but i am glad that you were able to work thing out with your wife and she has mellowed down... i guess you only needed for you to fight back for her to realize that what she is doing is wrong... and good think it worked...
Thanks for the response...
@oyenkai (4394)
• Philippines
25 Jan 09
There is actually only one law that encompasses both: human rights. Everyone, man or woman, has the right to live a peaceful life, free from abuse and harassment. The police can take care of it if he would file a report against his wife - but he might be too embarrassed to. About non-government organizations that specialize on it however, I don't think the Philippines has one.
Thanks for the response on my discussion!
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
16 Aug 08
Yes battered husbands do exist and they do need support but they are often less likely than women to seek help. Men often find it hard to admit that they are beaten by their wives because they do not want other men scorning them.
The general attitude of society is that women are weaker than men. This is not always the case but for a man to admit that his wife beats him is to create the impression that he is weaker than a woman. Think of the problems if he called the police to the house for protection. For a woman it was bad enough as the cops used to argue that it was none of their business how a husband treat his wife but think how they would regard a man who was asking for protection from a woman.
We need to change society's attitude to a lot of things. Anyone who is suffering abuse needs help and protection without any stigma.
@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
18 Aug 08
Yes, this is one of our society's attitude that needs to be changed... when we say equality of the sexes... that does not only mean to give women more rights... or to treat them as equals of men... men should also benefit from this move... eventhough it is hard to admit that some men are indeed being battered by their women counterpart... thanks for the response...
@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
15 Aug 08
Its kind of abvious that there are a lot more battered women than men and since women are so vociferous about this than men they get the most attention.
People in all kinds of situations need help and don't get it.
This is just one of them.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
18 Aug 08
I agree with you... a lot of those who need help do not get it... especially when they are ashamed to admit that they need help... so unless the battered men will step up like what women did... society will not do anything to help them... thanks for the response...
@belindabentley (223)
• United States
16 Aug 08
Just like women there are place for me in the USA, but they have to want help and want to get out of the situation, not leave and get help to get them arrested in hopes that she will change her ways and they get back together. Some battered woman places help men too.
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