In God We Trust...should it stay or should it go?
By gwoman2
@gwoman2 (710)
United States
August 19, 2008 7:17am CST
Michael Newdow is on a mission from hell! And get this, he is a doctor and a lawyer!!
He seeks to remove "In God We Trust" from U. S. coins and $ bills. He claims the motto is unconstitutional. This is the one and same that challenged the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools because it contains the words "under God", and went all the way to the Supreme Court. In this one he couldn't do anything because he didn't even have custody of the daughter he was suing on behalf of.
Yes, yes, I know, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion and we should agree to disagree...but htis culprit lied to the court under oath...A lawyer and a doctor? Ummmmmmmm! The 9th U. S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco should charge him with perjury and he should be punished just like any other criminal.
What do myLotters think?
By the way, if you want to vote to keep "In God We Trust" please go to:
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103521 and vote NO for the removal of our "motto".
I say it should stay...It's been there since 1864 when Congress first authorized the reference to God on a 2 cent piece. Later in 1955 it was added to the Pledge of Allegiance.
~G~
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8 responses
@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
19 Aug 08
Well the truth is that it is unconstitutional. The other truth is that "In God we Trust" wasn't added to US money until the last century starting in the early 1900 and ending in the 1950's. "Under God" was added to the pledge by Dwight Eisenhower in the 1950's to appease the Christian right of the time. Read the history of these two things.
The separation between "church" and "state" is clear and valid based upon the Constitution of the US, which is the only legal standard of the US. It is there for a reason. Christianity is not the state religion. The Christian God is not the state God. The US is not founded on the Christian Bible or the Christian Religion, rather it is founded on a pragmatic view of the world based on law. We are not a theocracy.
@gwoman2 (710)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Hi Ivaldean,
thank you for your response. On your first statement, "the truth is that it is unconstitutional"--I will agree to disagree with you...I've done some extensive research, (see how long it took me to respond to you, sorry :-( I did not neglect/ignore you intentionally!).
While researching I got to thinking that the net is a lot like myLot--it is basically the input and opinions of others--so I find myself with a delemma, who do I believe, Youtube? Wikpedia? Yahoo?...
I think I'll just stick to what I absolutely believe, and that is I feel that "In God We Trust" is secular..worldly rather thant spiritual and not related to religion.
FACT:
This from the U. S. Treasury:
Congress prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon coins of the U. S. on January 18, 1837.
This meant that the Mint could not make anyt changes without enactment of additional legislation by Congress.
The one-cent, two-cent and three-cent coin weren't submitted till 1863. Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. "In God We Trust" first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.
And please read my response to Dagda24.
And thanks again...love to read different opinions.
~G~
@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The above is the exact and specific language of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Note please, Congress shall make no law.....
This inclues but is not limited to changing our money to reflect the religious beliefs or standards of a group of people who are not representative of the whole. This is the "establishment of religion". This is the imposition of a religious standard.
You of course are free to embrace any belief you choose. I will embrace the US Constitution and the men who wrote it, their intent to free this country from the imposition of state "religion" and the havoc it wreaks on countries.
@dogsnme (1264)
• United States
13 Sep 08
With all do respect, lvaldean, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you also. Separation of church and state, the phrase or the meaning does not exist in the U.S. Constitution. Go back and check it again, I promise you it's not in there. I also disagree with what you said about the U.S. not being founded on the Christian Bible or the Christian Religion. You will find numerous accounts of how our founding fathers had a strong faith in God and how their faith influenced them when creating the Constitution. You will find countless examples such as quotes from our earliest presidents about how their faith and trust in God sustains them in their everyday lives. John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." And George Washington said, " It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." There is plenty of irrefutable historical evidenc showing that America was in fact founded on and inspired by Christianity. Going back to what I said before about separation of church and state. In the First Amendment, the founding fathers were not referring to Christianity but rather the different denominations and sects, such as Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Puritan, etc. The First Amendment, in this respect, prohibits the federal government from declaring any religious sect or denomination as being the national church or denomination. It was already understood among the founding fathers that this is a Christian nation.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
22 Aug 08
I went to the link (voted NO) and was surprised to see that over 6.5 million votes have been cast so far with 77% of the voters opposed to having this motto removed from our currency. I really do not believe that one man or the Supreme Court should have the right to decide issues like this or changing the Pledge of Allegiance. I think it should be decided by the citizens of this country in the voting booth.
As far as "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" goes, too many people misunderstand the meaning of this because they do not understand the historical significance of religious freedom in the formation of this country. This Amendment does not mean that recognizing God on our currency or in the Pledge should be considered an establishment of religion by the government. What religion is the government "establishing"? Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Judaism? The Amendment, as another poster already indicated, says that the government itself cannot cause or prevent the establishment of a religion and cannot prohibit people from practicing that religion.
As for Mr. Newdow, yes, I agree that he should be prosecuted but San Francisco has become so secular progressive that that'll never happen.
@mynameismine (771)
• United States
19 Aug 08
I don't think it belongs there, nor do I think God belongs in the pledge. They were not there in the beginning and added only because someone wanted to force God on everyone and anyone who came here or who lived here. Personally I'm going to use the money and say the pledge as I see fit regardless of what is there but I don't like having it forced on me, which is one of the reason why when I say the pledge I mute a certain part. I just don't say it.
@barbiegirl13 (1588)
• United States
19 Aug 08
I think that we should keep it! I will use your link and vote to keep it. I would love to say a lot more but do not want your post to be deleated. Nice topic!
@MIMAOF4BRATS54 (12)
• United States
20 Aug 08
of course in GOD we trust should stay and this man will meet his maker GOD when his day comes..... and boy will he be sorry then. but then he will probably spend the rest of his days in hell
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
20 Aug 08
I know there are a lot of people who believe "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution, but it isn't. The 1st Amendment says, "Congress shell make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." That simply means we (the USA) won't have a state religion and won't prevent people from worshiping, or not, as they please. There is an organization called "Wall Builders" that has done extensive research into the faith of our founding fathers and on various documents written by them. Regardless of what you hear and read from the rewrite history historians, you might be surprised at the faith of our fathers. Check out "Wall Builders" and see for yourself.
@gwoman2 (710)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Hi 6precious102,
thanks for your response. I am definitely going to check it our. And you are right, I searched and read the whole constitution and could not find not one entry where the seperation of church and state was mentioned:-(
It took a while to read the Constitution all the way through!
~G~
@fifileigh (3615)
• United States
23 Aug 08
i think nowadays people just dont have anything better to do. this man is just depressed because of his divorced and he couldnt get custody of his daughter, and he just wanted to rant and rage his anger on someone, so he decided it should be God. and he wants to get rid of "In God We Trust". i think these people need to get a life...and leave God and the money alone...
@dagda24 (366)
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19 Aug 08
When this was added christian belief was the norm, which is no longer the case these days. I think people should be free to express their views and not have these forced on to them by the state.
I think religion is a very contentious issue in this day and age, especially in America, so I can understand this generating a lot of debate.
@gwoman2 (710)
• United States
22 Aug 08
Hi Dagda24,
thank you for responding...you are absolutely correct on the christian beliefs--The "motto" was placed on U.S. coins because of increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury, Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons from all over the country urging the U.S. to recognize the Diety on U.S. coins.
The first appeal was written by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, a minister and a believer that we would be frowned upon as a heathen nation.
"Contentious" is the right word for this topic--and I wholeheartedly agree with you that "we" should not have anything forced on "us" especially religion.
I am "one" and I believe that my religious beliefs are solely in my heart and mind...and those beliefs are mine and mine alone. Therefore the "motto" does not bother me one way or the other but since it's there and has been there for quite some time...why not let it stay? I don't think it does anyone any harm.
Thanks again Dagda :-)
~G~