We need the Rain Forest

@suspenseful (40193)
Canada
August 21, 2008 10:15am CST
Years ago, I noticed that when Christmas was approaching, there were no Brazil nuts in the nut mix and they were rather put in the exclusive bins or in the special nut sections. I did not consider it as important, figuring they had had a bad year, but as time went on, I saw articles of the rain forest being depleted. I would click on the links to feed, educate, and help and the rain forest as well, but I felt it did not help any except so they could grow more Brazil nuts. I then read several articles that said that the depletion of the rain forest and putting it into biofuels is making things worse instead of better. So when you decide to use ethanol fuel, you are not helping save the planet you are doing worse. You are also making it harder for people, because putting that field into corn or soybeans for ethanol, also meant that it was taken out of food production. So in light of this, have you changed your attitude about what steps to take or do you still think that biofuels are the way to go?
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
21 Aug 08
The cost of biofuels is very, very high. It takes bushels of corn to make ethynol, corn that could feed people. I didn't know that the rain forest was being harvested for biofuels! That's immoral, the forest has so many wonderful animals, insects and plants. To destroy that for our own convenience is a sin. I don't agree with using biofuels. India has run vehicles on compressed air since 2000, why can't we over here? We have plenty of sun, why not solar?! There are so many other fuel sources, we don't need oil or biofuels if our countries will just get our heads out of our butts and tell the big corporations and the politicians they own to stick it where the sun don't shine!
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
The trouble with the other fuels is they are limited. Look in Manitoba, we can use geothermo because of the large rocks way below the surface, where there is a lot of wind they can wind power, and solar where it is a lot of sun, but you need solar panels and they need replacing. We could go back to using coal, and in some places coal is used to fuel electricity and we could still use oil and natural gas, water, hydro and many other things and not just rely on biofuels. It takes a lot of imagination and work. And we have to open up lands to explore for oil. There are ways to do it without harming the little creatures.
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@smacksman (6053)
22 Aug 08
Quote: We could solve ALL our problems if we would remove the profit factor from them. 'Nuff said! Well they tried that in Russia for 80 years and it was a failure. No profit = No incentive.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
22 Aug 08
We could solve ALL our problems if we would remove the profit factor from them. 'Nuff said! We can take it back if we rebel. All our millions of people against a couple of thousand politicians and legislators?! Why don't we do it?! The people I talk to say it wouldn't do any good. We really need someone to motivate people, a rebel who has charisma. I'd go for it.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
22 Aug 08
I, for one, have never felt biofuels were the way to go. Mind you, taking corn out of the food supply would make me happy - but I realize that for most people it isn't poison. Although, I stand by my theory that corn consumption increases, Type 2 diabeties, high blood pressure, heart attacks and strokes. I've even seen some articals that agree.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
I suppose a little does not hurt and for some people certain foods are not recommended. But it depends on how you eat it. Certainly corn syrup is the baddy in the equation, but having a little corn as a vegetable with your meal will not hurt. So wrote a link to the myths. http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-myths.jsp I mean my father-in-law was diabetic and my husband gave me a whole lot of nos, most I suppose where the myths above, about well amounted to me like the old diet story of just having a carrot and a lettuce leaf on your plate. And for some people, corn is essential. They use it for corn flour, make tortillas, etc. and I for one love tortillas as long as they are not salty. And getting back to the discussion, there are other ways to get fuel rather than take corn or wheat or soybeans or any grain out of food production.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
22 Aug 08
You don't understand, I can't even take medicine with corn starch in the pills I'm so allergic to the stuff. Corn is to me, like peanuts are to some people, posion. but on the subject of biofuel, it takes almost a gallon of fuel to make a gallon of biofuel - pretty counter productive if you ask me. IF, you still want to make biofuel, switch grass and food by-products (the stalks, leaves, etc) can be used for biofuel just as easily.
@dlufel (423)
• Australia
22 Aug 08
i'm trying to be 'green' already. Do a small thing everyday and i'm sure i had made some changes to our universe. Starting is easy, making it our habit is a bit tricky. As with ethanol, i'm not sure i'm using it now. But whether it's ethanol or not, try to be as green as possible.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
It is whether ethanol helps or hurts the planet. If it takes more ethanol to fill your tank then using regular gas, then one has to put more corn and wheat fields into ethanol and that takes more out of food production. Even cutting down trees for ethanol and using algae is not a good thing since many animals rely on that. And certainly cutting down rain forests that regular the temperature is not wise. Remember the drought and the great depression? People were starving and moving away from their homes. I am all in favor of using baking soda and vinegar for cleaning, recycling newspapers, donating cans to help out our church, using cloth bags for grocery shopping, and turning the lights off when you do not need them,and making the meals rather than buying processed,and if all did that, we would not have to cut down trees.
@smacksman (6053)
22 Aug 08
Has anyone here been to Brazil? People seem to talk of the Rain Forest of the Amazon as though it was the size of Yellowstone NP when it is not far short of the USA! In years of good harvest there is a 'grain mountain' - a huge surplus, so why not turn it into biofuels rather than let it rot. Give it to the hungry of the world, you say. A good thing for the hungry if in fact it really gets to them. Too often it is distributed amongst the corrupt governments and they use it to 'buy' support. Under colonial rule these 'poor' countries grew their own crops and fed themselves for decades without any handouts from the first world. And on the subject of alternative fuels for transport - Don't think in terms of a little car, think in terms of a 40 ton truck. How many solar powered batteries would you need to get that up a hill? Please. It would fill the truck with no room for cargo. Are we prepared to have are main cross country roads covered with overhead power lines like electric trains use? That would be the best way to use electricity on roads. And finally, brazil nuts are grown like any other crop. And like any crop, they have good and bad years. Ok, it is an indiginous tree but so is an apple tree but you don't go miles into a forest to harvest apples.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
Biofuels will certainly help cut down the population. It will take more land out of food production so more people will starve. Excuse the necessary sarcasm. And if biofuels are less effective, why not stick to what is best, gasoline? We can make our cars more efficient, hybrids and fuel cells are a good idea and we do not have to make them into dinky toys. And as for the food distribution, do you mean that if the land is put into ethanol, the government will not be as corrupt and will now make sure the needy citizens get the food? I don't think so. As for the Rain Forest being almost as big as the States, remember when the Great Depression? They started to cut down the trees and bushes to make farmland in the Prairies. They thought they had plenty to. As for Brazil nuts, I can see one of two good years, but five or more? So there has to be that cutting down the Rain Forest contributes to their decline and maybe these Brazil nuts need other forms of vegetation or plant life for support.
@nengs10 (3180)
• Philippines
22 Aug 08
We need them; they are very important for our survival and for the balance of nature in our world. Rain forests are the homes to several species of both flora and fauna. With that, we should protect our rain forests and conserve those that are still existing.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
That is what I feel. I read the medical sites and it is amazing how much of the medicine used to hinder certain diseases come from the Rain Forests. And even if it is quite large, it does not take that much to cut it down and make it less. I can understand the native Brazilians needing farmland, but to cut down parts of the Rain Forest for soybeans that are not for food, but to produce ethanol is not right. oh and I love orchids and those beautiful parrots. What would life be without them?
@hiddenwing (3719)
• China
22 Aug 08
Good point. At least we know we need the rain forest. Not only we need the rain forest, but also we need the sea, we need the fresh water, we need the nature. The closer u stay to nature, the more u will appreciate it. Let's try our best to protect the nature.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
I love the rain forest, seas, fresh water, and all that stuff. It helps regulate the planet. I read about the drought that contributed to the Great Depression and I knew people who lived through it and when they were alive, they were afraid of spending money, they would hoard it because they felt another drought was on the way,not to mention that they had bad teeth, and they had to have dentures when they were in their twenties because they did not get the right amount of vitamins or minerals or calcium when they were young. So destroying the rain forest and other parts of nature hurts rather than helps the human population.
@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
22 Aug 08
thanks for this insight i really appreciated..and yeah i agree with you we must think of other ways perhaps before using bio fuel..and make some steps to prevent further destruction of our environment..
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
Bio fuels should be a last resort and they should try to get them out of non-food items. Also they should have tested to see if using biofuels make the cars run longer. If you get 35 miles per gallon using regular gasoline, but only 30 miles per gallon using bio fuels, then you are losing out. And if people see their corn fields disappear to make ethanol, then they may go on the protected lands and cut down the forest to put more land into food production. So it will get worse instead of better.
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
21 Aug 08
I am not a driver, suspenseful, but I really don't think that the move towards biofuels is going to solve environmental problems. As you said, this only contributes to the rising cost of food, in general, and there are other viable methods that should be considered in cutting fuel costs. I don't believe that most people are truly aware of how dire the situation is regarding the rain forests. To see such natural beauty being destroyed little by little is a crime.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
I saw an aerophoto on how much the rain forest has been destroyed. When you consider that many of our medicines are found in there, and that well when a lot of America was deforested, it helped start the dust bowl, you can imagine the results. I remember from my high school days, that we were told that most of the nutrients in the rain forest is in the trees and the branches that are covered with moss and other things, unlike in the temperate zones where the ground holds most of the minerals and nutrients so when they do cut the forest into farming land or biofuel land they need a lot of fertilizer.
@nova1945 (1612)
• United States
21 Aug 08
I have no real problem with biofuels myself. However, biofuel can be manufactured from other sources, such as algae. I think using the easy way out (corn, etc.) is the wrong approach to biofuel production. We need to learn to play with our inventions responsibily before we destroy our own planet.
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@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
22 Aug 08
Biofuels are the result of a lack of control of what resources we use and the inexorable greed to the people in the fuel business who need to make more and more money. Sensible use of the earth's resources will solve this problem and cutting down all the forests is not a solution. We obviously need these forests for the planet's survival.
• Philippines
22 Aug 08
Good day.. I think the people of the world should make a voice and tell the world on what's their take regarding this global issue. For me it's just a matter of choices and sacrifices. If we choose to drive, alone in a car instead of car pooling, or if we choose to drive even in just some short distances away rather than bike or hike, or use a ridiculously fuel hog vehicle rather the smaller more efficient ones then either the oil depots run out soon and the rain forest depletion follows later on. It's the consumption and not the source. We could sacrifice a little bit of farm land for production of ethanol for a limited but renewable ethanol fuel for all to use but of a well calculated rational use. I mean we should also make sacrifice for the sake of our world. If not we're just delaying the inevitable of both fuel and food shortages. I think it's about time that we make the use of fuel not for privacy, privilege, luxury and such but also for efficacy and conservation. If not then nuclear vehicle anyone?
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• United States
22 Aug 08
hi suspenseful...what got my attention is you mentioned brazil nuts. i really like them. i agree we need the vital rain forest.it's sure isn't easy solveing the problems though. my bro-in-law is working on a water fuel pump. others have made their cars to run on garbage.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
22 Aug 08
I heard about those water fuel pumps. We were thinking of buying a hybrid car if we got enough money. I was always teasing my husband about the electric cars, telling him that they had to have a long enough cord until we get to the next station. But we do need a way to stretch our fuel. But we do not need to cut down the Rain Forest. Oh and I love Brazil nuts even if they contain so many calories.