Oil Companies Funding Anti-Global Warming Political Rhetoric

"My statement was poorly worded so I guess you get a point on that one." I'll accept that as the offering of an olive branch and return same to you. I'll try to word things better in the future. Thanks.

OK,there are scientists who are saying that man can not cause harm to the evironment by releasing any form of Carbons into the air. Some even claim that it will only help the earth (like providing for more trees, which I am sure it could). My statement was poorly worded so I guess you get a point on that one.

I think at times the anti-global warming rhetoric at mylot gets so deep that I feel I must counteract it with a just a smidgen of exageration of my own. I have seen you discuss this with some sence at times, other times we all step in it. There are some that just simply make blanket statements like you have to be a complete idiot to believe in global warming, then of course can not back it up a lick. Anyone who makes these statements either does not know what they are tallking about or have an agenda of their own.

All the man made global warming advocates are compassionate extrordinarily public service minded honest decent individuals whose government grants are only for humanitarian purposes that far out weigh the minimal cost compared to the immense benefit of saving the earth. Yes, it is true. There are a handful of conspiracy nuts who point out oil companies are making immense profits under the man made global warming scenario. These same kooks and lunatics point out that under the current status quo Exxon_Mobil would make even more money if the man made global warming scenario was widely accepted by the public. This would result in oil companies not being allowed to drill for more oil. If more oil was found and delievered to market, the price would go down, as would profits. In light of this, surely, only fruit cakes with jello for brains would insinuate the oil industry might covertly fund environmental groups without even those groups having knowledge of their true funding source. Surely oil companies would not do this in order to keep profits high while simuatanously pretending to 'out themselves' for funding evil man made global warming deniers. Surely oil companies would not do this as way to even further reinforce the notion that oil companies should not be allowed to drill for more oil. Thus keeping supplies tight, prices high, and profits even higher. Nah, none of this could ever happen and I feel truely sorry for the pathetic individuals who think oil company top executives might earn their immense annual salaries by pulling off these kinds of massive immensely profitable deceits. I thank God these oil company executives have had the conscience to confess to their sin of funding the man made global warming deniers and will pray for the sanity of the unbalanced conspiracy loons.

Very good point. I do not diagree with this possibility at all. My point is that all of this research that has been thrown about around here is supspect. Yes, research that supports global warming is suspect also. It is difficult eve nwhen examining "scholarly" journals to get to the bttom of potential motivations. This is why I am trying to stick with basics cience principals as much as possible. When I look at these principles it points me to thinking man can and does affect the temperature of our environment. I certainly do have more research that I plan on doing. Funding that is not politically motivated is difficult to come by. Not sure about top universities but the public institution I am at, researchers in this field get the funds where they can.

While I say this is a possibility, i still think it unlikely. The point that research can be suspect is ilustrated well in your conspiracy theory.

It's a fact that cysles of sun influence the weather but instead of to try to fight them we are helping them to become stronger!! Like is a fact that cycles are normal so is fact that this cycles in our time comes faster then ever..and for that we're all guilty...at least we that leave in the part of the world that is called industrialize..we're less then 20% of the world people but we use 90% of his energy..this numbers schould make reflecting everyone who care for the future..and to close, yes is fact that the sun-cyles play a rule but is fact also the big oil company have all interest to minimize the problem, and reason is not difficult to understand Nun

Thank you clrumfelt: I dont't believe everything Al Gore has to say either. I certainly do not think that there is enough evidence (may be in future) to say that weather extremes are being caused by man accelerated global warming. There is however overwhelming evidence and simply basic logic that points to the fact that man can and has altered his environment in negative ways and that we need to have the foresite to do something about this now. Some scientists such as Stephen Hawking believe we are going to have to branch out into space because it is too late. ExxonMobil is not funding all of these "researchers" just many of them. Virtually all the rest are being funded by other oil companies. Almost anytime you read an "expert" article on the internet that is blatantly anti-global warming you can trace the funding back to oil. The anti-global warming "researchers" are just as good at using scare tactics to support their agenda. Oh no we are all being duped into thinking we should be carefull with the environment and not just be complete earth gluttons!

Ngaspero: Sun cycles are certainly big players in our climate though there are virutally an endless amount of other players. Environmental feedbacks are extremely complex. There is no way someone could absolutely rule out the possibility we are increasing global warming. Even if we are not there are countless other reasons we need to reduce emssions of Nitrogen Oxides and take care of out environment.

Thanks snowy: I agree Exxonmobil should not be in charge of alternative energy programs. I fear this is what will happen though. A government agency to keep tabs on how much the consumer is being charged and to oversee other aspects of alternative energy use is a decent idea, if it is run with good intentions. The people of the U.S. need to be innovative and motivated to take responsibility for their own energy. I am attempting to, I think with government backing it will be even more practicle in the near future (eg. more tax incentives, rebates, etc..) I do not like being at the whims of these corporations.

Thank you for your response. I think this is really the most logical way to see it.

Thanks for the response suspensefl. Global warming could be happening even if we had several abnormal winters. These are natural cycles, it all depends on scale. Oh, and if there is a god that is good that made earth I would think he would want man to treat nature with respect, not just pollute and cross our fingers. Urban heat islands are a fact. You can stand in a parking lot and know this. So for those who say there is no way man can cause the earth to warm, maye you can work on mor parking lots to test it all for us.

This is of course the most likely reason of why big oil would fund these projects. The "massive deciet" senario detailed by rbyd above is possible, though it sounds a little loony.Like conspiracy theories that liberals are supposed to be famous for. Oil wants oil, it would be extremely high risk for them to be getting everyone fired up about alternative energies and then reveal they orignated the fraud. If this were the case I think the story I referenced would have been all over the main stream media. What is really frustrating is how many peopl e refuseto go along with anything that could potentially protect the environment because they completely believe global warming is a hoax, even if they freely admit there are other concerns of pollution. People just do not want to change their lifestyles. They say we will live as a tird world country. I say we will if we do not act now and change our excessive ways.

That is fantastic. This is exactly why I think we need to try to get things going ourselves at a smaller level. While I do not think bio-diesel is going to be our long term answer it is certainly better than purchasing oil from foriegn countries or just drilling more here while other countries pass us by. Big oil is doing things like this for a better image. I think all electric vehicles are the future. The first electric vehicles were made back some time around the 1830's. Since the gas powered combustible engine became more practical advancement in electric vehicles just stopped. Right now all electric cars are not moving to fast (around 35mph or so) but about the beginning of 20th century eectric cars were known to go double the speed. Granted for very short periods. If we could do this then,there is no reason to believewe can not improve on this now.

I have a customer that makes bio-diesel, they started out with a few million dollars of start up money, and a plan. Today they make about 1,600 gallons of bio-diesel a day, and they are growing more and more everyday. Now British Petroleum has a bio-diesel plant just north east of my territory that according to BP they have invested tens of millions of dollars into this plant. This plant has been up and running for three years, and has yet to produce one usable gallon of bio-diesel. Now, tell me how it is that a corporation with tens of millions of dollars invested can't do what two guys that had less than 3 million. This is another example of why I believe that these companies are not interested in moving this technology.