Why are you clinging?

@clrumfelt (5490)
United States
August 22, 2008 10:36am CST
Does bitterness cause people to cling to religion? In my experience, bitterness has caused more people to reject religion than cling to it.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
23 Aug 08
Is this an Obama reference, or an honest question about what bitterness causes you to do? In my experience, bitter people cling to all sorts of things. I know more generally bitter people who project their bitterness in the form of religious bigotry, than people who project their bitterness in non-religious bigotry. Of course, I also live in the bible belt, where religious people are a dime a dozen, and non-religious people are much harder to find. It could be different from area to area.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I think he's was trying to point out that they fixate themselves on particular things because other issues aren't addressed adequately for them. For example, if a group of voters care more about their religious morals being legislated by the government, rather than, you know, the government fixing up the economy or doing something that's good for everyone. They don't "cling" as in 'hold on to', they fixate.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I know a ton of people who turn to a singular thing out of bitterness or frustration...because they find it to be a source of strength. I don't "cling", but my faith is still a source of my strength. I may hold onto it tightly, but I know not to do that too often...don't want to suffocate myself or become closed.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
25 Aug 08
"Clinging" can have a negative connotation as it conjures an image of desperation as being why people stick with their religion.
@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
22 Aug 08
I know I didn't abandon organized religion out of bitterness, nor do I feel more bitter now than I did previously. I do know that many people, when they are in tough times, will turn to religion, because it tends to be more stable than other things. When you can't count on keeping your job, or even your home, a church that you know isn't going anywhere anytime soon can be a great source of comfort. If this is a reference to Obama's comment a while back, that was clearly a slip-up in word choice, and he clarified it similarly to how I described it above soon afterward. Even if he goofed a bit on his delivery (he's only human), the underlying sentiment makes perfect sense; when things are chaotic (as they definitely are lately), one naturally turns to things that are more stable in their lives, as an instinctive coping mechanism.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
23 Aug 08
Yours is a good explanation for Obama's comment. My question stems from my own experiences. I have been in church faithfully for over 30 years and I have never seen anyone in those churches clinging to religion out of their bitterness. On the contrary, most bitter people try the church and then leave because they are dedicated to their bitterness and true religious experience requires that people give up their bitternesses and disappointment and dedicate themeseves to something greater. Thanks for your input.
@littleowl (7157)
23 Aug 08
Hi circumfelt i dont think its bitterness at all that causes people to hold onto religion I think its just that most people just want something to believe in nothing else littleowl
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
23 Aug 08
I have seen many people join churches and be faithful and supportive of them. Then something would happen, such as gossip or a church split, and some of those people have left the church as they reacted in disappointment and bitterness to the situation. Some of them are not in church this day. For example, my husband and I were faithful to a church for 10 years. The church was doing good and then the pastor had an affair with one of the pretty young girls who attended. After the church broke up over it, I found another good church to go to, but my husband was so disillusioned he has never been so faithfully involved in a church as he was at that time. He is a good family man who loves his kids, and he just couldn't understand how that pastor could leave his wife with four kids and run off with the girl. He isn't bitter over it, but a lot of people that left there were bitter the pastor has broken up their church like that.