At what point is enough, Enough?
@LouiseKnittel (4764)
United States
August 23, 2008 9:09am CST
I know of a young woman 24 years old who has 5 sons all of then under 5 years old. She has one set of twins. The rest were all single births. And she is pregnant again. She has to wear a brace to hold her belly in place because she never lets herself heal after each pregnancy. She and her husband are very religious, and believe that children are a blessing from God ( so do I ).
She is a stay at home mom. The husband does work. But he does not make enough to support his very fast growing family. With every pregnancy they get public assistance. So they never have to pay the medical bills.
I do believe that God has a plan for our lives, and that we do have free will. But we all wondering if she is going to have to end up have a emergency hysterectomy one day because of all this. With the last birth she needed a blood transfusion.
At what point do we say that enough is enough?
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24 responses
@babykeka80 (2084)
• United States
23 Aug 08
I agree that children are a blessing. However, I like to bless my children my own way by being able to support them financially. I understand that a lot of religions are against birth control but it is harmful to the mother to continue to do that. As far as the financial assistance or welfare I understand to an extent and as long as they are not completely dependant on it then its ok. I too recieved medical assistance during my pregnancy. I just think the kids need to be further apart in age so that they each can have their own special moments and mom isnt so overwhelmed she cannot love each individually. My children are 2 and 1/2 years apart.
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@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
23 Aug 08
I have 2 sons they are 3 1/2 years apart. i thinking spacing them out is better!
@snowberries (399)
• Australia
24 Aug 08
I agree with you babykeka80, each child needs some quality time with their parents, this can't be happening when she keeps having one baby after another! Poor kids, i feel so sorry for them...
@babykeka80 (2084)
• United States
24 Aug 08
She could be a great mother but I just think that these children should get their own "baby" years so to speak. It isn't fair to them.
@sweethomecatring (1563)
• India
23 Aug 08
This is altogether a nonsense. Woman is not a child producing machine may the religion come in the way. Woman should be treated as woman. There is length and breadth of every thing in the society in particular and world as a whole. Would you like to see her dieing at the last delivery.
Please think and discuss can we allow this situation to take birth because of the religion in what ever faith it may be.
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@MissGia (955)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I understand they are religious and that what is happening is a blessing, but in her condition she will probably never be able to work a decent paying job, one person working in todays world can not support a wife and 6 children.
There is nothing she can do at this point, she can not put her children back and pretend they were never born, or undo the situation she is in now, but i think she should HAVE to get her tubes tied. It's not fair that she knows what financial and medical situation she is in but yet she continues to keep having children and worsening her state. She needs to have this child and make it her last and then get healthier and more able to work so she too can help provide for her family and get off of assistance.
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@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
24 Aug 08
We have felt that he should get a vasectomy. She has gone through a lot already.
@snowberries (399)
• Australia
24 Aug 08
Yes agree, afterall birth control is not just a woman's problem, it's also a mans! Since she has given birth what will be 6 times, surely it can't hurt him to have a little snip??
@Lafemcrafts (475)
• United States
23 Aug 08
it is very unhealthy for her to be having so many children back to back. after each birth you are suppose to wait at least 1 year before trying to have another baby . I can understand there belife in god but I am not sure that was his plan for them . her heath is going to suffer down thwe road in one way shape or form
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@Lafemcrafts (475)
• United States
24 Aug 08
think about it .. if she has to wear a belt like you said beocuse of her insides and she got pregnant way too soon .. she has already did some damage .. I am, suprised her dr has not said anything to her .. when puch comes to shove which is it going to be .. her life or having more children.. Is she willing to risk her life and leave all her children without a mother.. I belive in god but if you can't afford to give those children a good life and raise them proper then what good is it ..
just my 2 cents
@nurseia (40)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Yes, children are a blessing. But this woman is moving too fast. She is ruining her health. At the rate she is going I wonder is she going to be around long enough to take care of the children? The families finances are in jeopardy also. Her husband does not make enough money to support the children. She can't work because day care would cost a mint. She needs to stop having children and think about the welfare of the family and her health.
@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I agree it could ruin her health, in one way or another.
@valeria1 (2721)
• United States
23 Aug 08
Looks like an absurd to me! But see who is paying her bills, the taxpayers? So, we should have a saying shouldn't us? Well, I understand that God said grow and multiply but do you think that what he meant! I heard stories like this and you will like it! An Australian friend said one time I get my wife pregnant all the time so I do not have to have with her, hahahaha! I do not intend to offend nobody, but come on! Another one was in public assistance, 5 kids also, said I am pregnant again, I do not know how! My answer come on! After 5 kids you still do not know how? hahahaha
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@CarlKnittel (692)
• United States
17 Sep 08
My cousin is the only one in the family(other than my wife)who is on the same page with me politically and religiously. She has 4 beautiful kids but after the third she was told another pregnancy could kill her. Her husbands attitude was that if the pregnancy killed her the child would still be cherished.
At this point we parted views a bit. I agree that abortion is abhorent and prefer to chose life. choosing to throw away a life on a risky pregnancy is just as wrong.
A couple years later Wendy had her fourth child. It was a high risk pregnancy but she and the doctors handled it well and she came through fine. i love my little cousin and would not wish the world was without him but, there does come a time when health concerns are paramount.
the pregnancy was handled properly by doing everything they could to ensure the safety of mother and child but, When the mothers life is at risk so is the baby's and that's a pretty good reason to stop having kids.
i would never support abortion but, birth control and common sense have their place. i have always disagreed with the catholic position on birth control but I don't fault people for following the dictates of their religion. On the other hand there are responsible ways to handle the situation without risking lives.
As to the financial decision far to much is made of it. This country has gone through some very dark financial times, including the depression, with a common thread of higher birth rates. Back then the "welfare system" as we know it didn't exist. parents managed to raise some wonderful children who went on to leave us a wonderful world despite not having the "better things in life". The fact is, that the welfare system was designed to get exactly the response I'm hearing here. "How dare they burden the public with their kids". Get rid of the Gov't based system and go back to private charity through the church and community and we might end up with the leaders of tomorrow instead of the welfare brats of today.
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@tammytwo (4298)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I do believe children are a blessing from God but I also believe that God only wants us to have as many as we can handle physically and financially. God would not enable us to have methods such as birth control if he didn't feel it was necessary. I would say enough is enough for this family NOW.
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@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
25 Aug 08
I agree. if they can't afford it then stop having them!
@SydneyHazelton (4586)
• Singapore
24 Aug 08
Children are a blessing from God, that's true. But there must be a point where you would want to consider how you are going to raise these children properly. I know of a family of seven. This lady has just given birth to her last one a few weeks back. Some of her kids did not even like the idea of having any more siblings because they said that they quarrel when they eat. They are fighting over food. Can you beat that? I think it's really not fair for the kids, brought into this world deprived.
@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
25 Aug 08
I agree, kids should not have to fight over if they get enough to eat in their own home.. this is nuts!
@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
27 Aug 08
That has got to be a lot to handle, and it's really not fair to the children to be brought up in that level of poverty. If she only had 1 or 2 children, they would be better off financially, and emotionally.
I also have 5 kids, although their ages are a bit more spread out. But they leave me physically and emotionally drained each day. I know I can't handle another child, and I know I'm not giving my all to the 5 that I have, because it's so hard to keep up with them.
I also don't think it's fair for them to expect the tax payers to support their family. I don't approve of anyone recieving public assistance for that purpose. Public assistance should only be used in emergency situations, such as if the husband were to lose his job, it could support them while he searched for another, but it should never be used as a crutch because you can't afford to feed your family. That's not fair to the families who do work their butts off to get by without any assistance, yet their tax money is going to these people who are choosing to live off the government.
I think this woman is being selfish. She's not thinking of the affects this will have on her, her children, or her community. I hope she does get a hysterectomy, at least then the madness will end.
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@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Well I am hoping that she will at least concider Birth Control. She has not even wanted to think about it!
I know that she is doing what she thinks is right.
But from what I feel and this whole discussion has mostly said.. Enough is Enough Already.
Thanks for responding!
@merrycherry (132)
• China
24 Aug 08
Oh... I just cant believe this! 24 years old and 5 sons all under 5 years old?? OMG! and she's pregnant again?? Being pregnant is supposed to be a sacred task and each birth should be really careful. If a couple havent the ability to support him, why do they still have the baby? The religious stuff? maybe its hard for a 18 year old Chinese girl to figure it out...U know, 1.3 billion people! Singletons are everywhere. Is it a common phenonmenon in US?
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@pink_maven (265)
• Philippines
25 Aug 08
Enough is enough when God says it's enough. When confronted with difficult and pressing situations, I don't want to trust my own decisions. Most likely it will be a disaster. I always trust God and ask Him to reveal the right steps to take. But when it comes to helping other people, I know God will not never say enough. Whatever is it into the girl who always get pregnant, let God deal with her and her family. But remind yourself that you might be God instrument in that awakening so hold on and continue extending help.
@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Ok,So we all need to be asking God to direct her! Thanks for responding!
@pinkytabor (818)
• Philippines
24 Aug 08
Hello.
I have two sons, a 2 yr. old and a 1 yr. old. I got pregnant with my second baby when my first was still 9 months. My gynecologist said it was ok since i should stop having babies when i am above 35 yrs. old. She said it is no longer healthy. But since i did not space, even two boys is quite a handful since i am also a full time mom. I don't think the dictates of any religion should get in the way when it comes to health matters. I am married to a man whose family doesn't believe in birth control, however, they believe that doctors are guided by God to assist us make healthy decisions for our bodies (so i wonder what this doctor believes in). Children are a gift from God, i believe that, and so is our own body. We should be good stewards, responsible so that we could enjoy our life, our children. For me, i want to grow old seeing my children grow happy and healthy. I want to be healthy enough as well in order to support my husband in raising them up and meeting all their needs. I am hoping for a baby girl but after a third child, be it a girl or a boy, we will stop. It's not just about finances but it is about being able to juggle everything, including giving the children quality time without exhausting myself.
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@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
25 Aug 08
This is a good point,. if your having children too close together. Your missing out on one-on-one time when they are so young.
@shelley2 (55)
• Germany
25 Aug 08
Hi,
I want to say that I really feel that children are a great blessing no matter how they come into our lives. I have a son by my first marriage,a step daughter with my husband I have now and also a daughter together.
I have made many mistakes and one of those was not following a good path after my divorce and believe me I could have ended up pregnant,I never did.
Once I married my now husband I did try to be responsible and was on birth control for a while,but it messed me up so bad i went off it shortly and ended up pregnant three months after our wedding. My son is almost 21 my daughter is 11 and my step daughter right in between at 14.
I believe God knew what I could handle or was ready for. I do also believe that God gives us resouces and he says to use desernment in making our choices with our free will that he too gave us. To me this includes birthcontrol. I think the best thing we can do is pray for her that he will make his wants known to her no matter where that may come from. Her husband,church or doctor. I have found that our good Lord speaks in many different ways to us.
God Bless,
Shelley
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@KrauseHome (36447)
• United States
9 Mar 09
Wow, personally and physically I would say this is a little crazy. Even being very religious like this, what type of person would keep on having children and put their wifes life in danger like this as well? I think it is a God given right for women, especially if married to have children, but if you already have kids, then I would think you need to think twice if your life is in danger and you cannot really afford to have any more. I would think there should be ways for someone somewhere to help prevent these type of things.
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@GardenGerty (160998)
• United States
23 Aug 08
Even though all around them can see that enough is enough, and they are barely surviving in this economy, we still cannot make her stop. Her doctor could perhaps. Especially since the last pregnancy required a blood transfusion. To me, more scary than an emergency hysterectomy would be the thought that she could die and leave five or more children without a mom. Children are a blessing from God, and we should cherish and protect the ones that are already here.
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@shana123 (2095)
• India
24 Aug 08
My guy and me are also spiritual persons and he used to tell me that childeren are blessings from GOD, thats true and im so happy that she is blessed with 5 kids and one carrying now.. she has to understand and accept things like getting pregnant is good but she should not just get pregnant all the time because just by giving birth its not enough for a mom , she has to take full care by her childeren and its a man's duty to run his home without any scarcity in giving to the family.Its not bad that having more kids is wrong but she should be practical because all the time she cannot lend her hand for those childeren and eveyrtime no man can keep helping them..The needs of the childeren will grew more when the childeren grows up and it wont be good to be in a position where she and her hubby cannot meet her childeren's needs.. GOD gave us the wisdom and knowledge to think and even to plan for our future we just cant say its blessing and keep on going like this.. im sorry if i had said something wrong... and Let GOD help her in giving more understanding and strenght..
GOD BLESS..
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@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
25 Aug 08
I am just to the point that I feel that they need to stop having children. It makes no sense to me to keep doing so.
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
24 Aug 08
Not only it's dangerous for her it's also not good financially. She is only 24 and has to go through all this, I think somebody has to do something before it's too late. It's true that children are blessings but God gives us free will to choose. If she can't heal herself all the time she will not make it next pregnancy and how would the father single parenting all of them?
@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
24 Aug 08
That is a good point. how will the father manage if his wife would die..
I wish that this Group here could talk some sense into them.
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@sudalunts (5523)
• United States
23 Aug 08
She probably still have at least 24 or more years of reproduction in her. It would be good if she kind of slowed down on the pregnancies. I only have one, don't know if I would have been able to have more. I used the rhythm method, and it worked for me.
I have a sister-in-law has thirteen children, she is another one who did not believe in birth control. I am sure a large family like that will put a strain on the pocket book, and to have five children under the age of five is a little too much. Hope she considers what is happening to her body, and get advice from her doctor.
@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
23 Aug 08
She told her mom, that the Doctor said ti was ok .... I am thinking why would the Doctor say this is ok...
@youngsweetheart (772)
• United States
23 Aug 08
That poor woman! She's doing serious damage to her health - experts have said that ideally a woman should have two years between pregnancy to allow for full recovey. It's one thing to want a big family, but to have one at the expense of one's healthy is crazy - even if it's for religious reasons, in my opinion - no disrespect intended to anyone. This sort of religious fervor about procreation and birth control causes problems - the woman's health, potentially the health of her children, and the family doesn't even make enough to support the kids they have, which is just unfair. There should come a point where they sit back and say, "Okay, kids are a blessing, but we can't afford any more - and the number of kids we have is affecting our quality one-on-one time with each child."
And that woman is only 24? If they don't stop, she could have 16 more children AT LEAST! That's insane.
I can't believe a doctor hasn't at least addressed the potential health risks to her and her husband - that's crazy too. I feel awful for that family - but also a bit angry with them, for not thinking even close to rationally. Belief in God is a beautiful thing, but it needs to be balanced with real-world considerations.
@LouiseKnittel (4764)
• United States
23 Aug 08
I am not sure why any doctor would say that it is ok to do this to your own body... She is getting bad advice Ithink.. Maybe from a doctor that is looking at Dollar s$gns.