Homosexuality is wrong!!!!
By Raymo23
@Raymo23 (463)
Uganda
August 23, 2008 10:29am CST
I came across a discussion here where most of the members were supporting homosexuality. Now, we come from different backgrounds and have been taught different values but whatever you believe, homosexuality is wrong. Unnatural.
Whether you are religious or not, the arguments against this are plain, and right too, and easy to understand. Every major religion is against it. And for the atheist, why is there male and female? Why didn't it come out as male and male or female and female?
Let people stop deceiving themselves. The stuff is wrong, and revolting. But I don't support those who use violence against gay people, or even criminalizing it. No, counseling and re-education will do.
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21 responses
@howard96h (11640)
• New York, New York
23 Aug 08
Why do you even post a discussion if you find Homosexuality wrong, unnatural and revolting as you have said. You know this discussion is what's wrong, unnatural and revolting because gay people are people who deserves respect, love and understanding like everyone else and whether you like it or not they are not going anywhere, they are here and you will just have to accept it. To quote Vida Boheme, Noxeema Jackson and Chi Chi Rodriguez - "Your approval is neither desired nor required!"
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
24 Aug 08
NO it's NOT!!!
You need to read the myLot Guidelines. You are supposed to check to see if there are any similar discussions & not repeat the same over & over. According to your own words, you knew that the overwhelming majorioty here were going to be offended by your statements, yet you chose to post it anyway. I can only surmise you have NO respect for other's opinions as yours is the ONLY one that counts!!!
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@mommamusic (882)
• United States
23 Aug 08
Good for you my friend i could have not said it better myself.
@youngsweetheart (772)
• United States
23 Aug 08
I consider myself a Christian - Protestant is about as specific as I can go. Yes, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong and unnatural. It also says lying is wrong, a sin - and virtually everyone lies at one point or another. Disrespecting parents? A sin. It also says to love thy neighbor as you would love yourself - it makes no exceptions for homosexuals. Therefore, I have no quarrel with homosexuals. I support their rights, because as humans, they DO have rights, and deserve to have those rights recognized. Counseling and re-education, in the way you mean, is pointless for those who are born gay (and yes, such people exist). Teaching people to fight who they are when who they are hurts NO ONE is a recipe for disaster. From a religious point of view, I believe there's an expression that says you can hate the sin, but love the sinner - it doesn't sound like you follow that where homosexuals are considered. How about liars? Adulterers? People who disrepect their parents? Do you continue to love them regardless of those transgressions?
You don't have to like homosexuality. That's fine. And that's great that you don't think violence should be used against them - many others don't share that opinion. But saying hateful things can be just as damaging. You have a right to you opinion - just please be careful how you express it. After all, I'm sure there are things about just about everyone that anyone could take issue with, and I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate people saying hateful things about you - which is probably going to happen as soon as people read this post.
@Raymo23 (463)
• Uganda
23 Aug 08
If the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong and unnatural, who are we to make it right and natural? That's God speaking, The God who puts us here, created us. That qualification automatically makes what you are arguing for unright, to coin a word, and there should be no rights advocating for what is unnatural. And, you are very wrong when you say that there are people who are born gay. What is there to prove it? The assertions of people who refuse to comply with societal norms but instead practice what's wayward, grotesque? There's nothing to prove that. I am not saying hateful things about anyone. All I'm saying is that homosexuality is wrong, and we should take it and accept it as so, and society should look for solutions not hide behind 'rights' and 'personal freedom.' That's defeatist.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
24 Aug 08
And that begs the question, if people are born gay, then its genetic. Who would god make it genetic, a physical feature if he wasn't okay with it? There have been many studies proving that its genetic. Some believe that its nurture not nature yet there have been studies here as well. Trying to force certain roles or toys on kids. Fire engines or dolls.
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@youngsweetheart (772)
• United States
23 Aug 08
I have a few very close friends who are gay. I've known them since we were QUITE young. I had suspicions about two of them as early as grade school - when a person is MUCH too young to be making a conscious choice in the matter. I've seen too many examples of people displaying certain tendecies since being toddlers to doubt that some people are in indeed born gay. I will allow that there are probably some individuals who "choose", as the saying goes, but far fewer than most would believe.
And to clarify - I never said being gay was right; I have no opinion whatsoever on whether it is right or wrong - merely that gay people should HAVE rights.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
24 Aug 08
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/BornHermaphrodite/
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hermaphrodite
How do these people, born physically as both men and women fit into your equation?
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@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Yeah, my doctor told me that there is a slight chance that I cannot have children, and that I will just have to adopt if that is the case. There are a lot of people out there that cannot have children and they are straight, what are they to do? What are they to be told? "Oh, God wants you to spread the seed of man, but wait, you cannot have any children." You obviously cannot say that you know "God's Will" if that is the case. See, people are the way they are, they cannot help what nature has given them. No one on here knows what "God's Will" is, that is another term I cannot stand is the term "God's Will". People said that it was "God's Will" to me all of the time after my brother past away, and if someone were to say that to my face again, they better hope I do not go completely psycho on them because how would you feel if you just lost someone, and people kept telling you that it was "God' Will"? I mean really what the Hell is "God's Will"? No person on this planet knows what that is. If people are born with something, then dammit, that is just the way life is.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
24 Aug 08
Let's see if he answers to the facts. Isn't the being born one thing and feeling you are another gender called intersex? And I think I also remember from Anatamy and Physiology class that we all start out as female.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
24 Aug 08
And what of those who are heterosexual but don't get married to have kids, (he made a point that the purpose of marriage was to procreate, to sprad man) or those, like a friend of mine, who can't have kids but still want a loving man - are they not allowed marraige? Also should you divorce once you hit menapause or have to have your ovaries taken out? That marraige is to have kids is not a valid argument for homosexuality being wrong.
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@spiderlizard22 (3444)
• United States
24 Aug 08
You have the right to hate homosexuals just like a person has the right to hate someone who has different skin color than they do. You don't have to like them but you should respect them. If there is a homosexual who is willing to take counseling and re-education then let them. It is one thing to hate homosexuality but it is another thing to tell them they are wrong for being homosexual. Yes it is possible for them to go from homosexual to heterosexual but many of them are proud of who they are. It is a preference they decide to stick with. Let them be who they want to be they are not hurting anyone.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Raymo, again, the you do not know squat about the Bible. Little to nothing about homosexuality is mentioned in there, so leave that Bible out of it and admit that you yourself do not like homosexuals. You keep throwing religion and the Bible into when I have read the Catholic and King James Bibles and nothing was mentioned about it. You have nothing to back up your facts, you do not have quotes from the Bible to back up how you feel, so until you get those facts, you best leave what is not involved out of it. My friend who is a Lesbian, I also found out is a Christian, and she has read the Bible and no mention of homosexuality was really found in it. It did mention that Jesus loves all of his brothers and sisters and that "God" loves all of "his" children no matter who they are or what they do. If you are going to bring the Bible into this, Raymo, start backing up your comments.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
24 Aug 08
Great point, Rogue, god loves all of us, even theives and wh8res.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Love is love wherever you find it. I support love in any form.
I think what has you confused is that the male and female bodies are made to work together... to 'fit'. That does not mean that a man can't love another man or a woman can't love another woman!
All animals, humans included, are made in the male and female form. Yet, you see an awful lot of 'lower' animals commiting homosexual acts.
If you truly believe in the Bible, then you know men and women were 'built' the way they were in order to procreate. PROCREATE. Love is something completely different.
What about those people born with two sexes? Where does God place them? What about those people who do not believe in God? You are stating beliefs that you learned from your religion. There are many, many religions on this Earth and each one is different. Why are they different? Because MAN made them different. MAN wrote the Bible, not God.
Your belief is your belief. Since you believe you can judge others, I don't think it's a very nice belief. YOU are the one who needs therapy, in my opinion.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
24 Aug 08
I've brought up those who have been born physically as both s$xes and he hans't addressed that point.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Oh, by the way, if you tell me that God told the writers of the Bible what to write down, I can say that God told me to tell you that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Where's MY proof? It's in the same place as the proof from the guys who wrote the Bible.
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@GlitterExplosion (415)
• United States
24 Aug 08
You brought up a good mind. Human beings wrote the Bible. Humans are flawed, and everyone interrupts things differently. No one is perfect.
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@philjas (1134)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I would love to ask anyone who thinks people CHOOSE to be gay, at what point in your life did you CHOOSE to be straight? If I chose to be straight I've apparently blocked it out, try as I might I just can't recall the time I said, "Gee, it's about time I decided if I'm going to like boys or girls. Let's see... oh, I'll pick boys." What I do remember though is when I was five and of all the boys and girls in my kindergarten class, there was just one of them, he was a boy, who made me feel nervous and squishy inside. This happened again in first grade with another person - and coincidentally, he was a boy too. Then again there was another one and, would you believe it, it was another boy. Obviously there was a pattern developing. I couldn't help it it. I WAS BORN THAT WAY.
So if some people get to CHOOSE, well that's not fair, I didn't get to choose! So tell me all you "good" Christians who insist people choose to be gay, did YOU get to choose to be straight? When? How old were you? What was it like, the process of choosing? Was it a hard choice? Hmmm.....
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@howard96h (11640)
• New York, New York
24 Aug 08
I can not believe this discussion, so what was the purpose of starting this gay bashing hate full discussion Raymo, to annoy and insult gay people or was it to try and deal with your feelings of guilt?
@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
23 Aug 08
of course, well i might be bashed for this, but i am totally against homosexuality annd i think we, or people should learn to accept that too. they may be confused but i hope they will learn to see that there should only be a man and a womann.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
24 Aug 08
What you don't understand is that gay people do not choose to be gay. why would they considering how cruel so many treat them? They are born that way and they deserve to live their lives in happiness and peace without others putting them down, ridiculing them etc. It is not right or wrong....it just is. If more people would just tend to making their own lives peaceful and loving and stopped critisizing and outcasting others that they don't even know then the world would be a much better place!! `Do you think it is wrong to be born retarded? Do you put those people down? how about people born with physical handicaps? Yes...I agree more education is needed but I seriously doubt that you and I would be on the same page as to what that education would involve.
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@skbh12 (2946)
• Philippines
24 Aug 08
[b]we all know that in the Bible it has never mentioned anything about homosexuality. it is only about a man and a woman right. but in this world, we have so much to learn and that we can't really change things. i guess being homosexual is somewhat a trial given to us by God on how we can handle things. this is just based on my opinion. another thing why would God create people who are born with this kind of personality right? well, maybe we only have to open our eyes to the reality of how the world works in our lives. we have to accept things.
happy mylotting and happy posting![/b][b][/b]
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@GlitterExplosion (415)
• United States
24 Aug 08
People have asked you to provide proof, and yet, you have not. You have to remember that everyone interrupts the Bible in different ways, and that things have been lost or changed in translation. The bible also talks about slavery and selling your daughter, but you don't hear people talking about that. Is this a game of choose what you want, and ignore what you hate? Why are some things in the Bible ignored, and yet some things pushed in the public's eyes, such as the topic of homosexuality?
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@lronMaiden (993)
• Finland
23 Aug 08
No, you're wrong! You can do nothing about your sexuality, it's not your choice. I bet that many homosexuals would want to be straights but what can they do? Nothing. Can you force yourself to be homosexual? I bet you can't. And think if there were more homosexuals than straights, everybody would think YOU are the strange one. So think twice next time before thinking like that!
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@bigtom1 (1573)
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24 Aug 08
To say that it is unnatural is really wrong as the thats implying that its artificial. Some people are born males but have a lot of their hormones inherited from their males and they will have love for other males and vice versa as well and i wouldn't say that is unnatural.
I'm also a christian but you have to know that this topic is sensitive and i do not think that even if you were to come up with any convincing evidence you will get your views across to other people.
I do not blame anyone for being homosexual, the blame should go to the cause of it
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
23 Aug 08
You are way too young to know how I feel or what causes the world to implode. I get the feeling that homosexuality actually excites you & you are afraid to admit that to yourself. God created homosexuals & He created Christianity. So I fail to understand your argument that "all" religions are against homosexuality. God says I am to LOVE EVERYONE. That I try & do. People like you maks it awfully hard for me to feel love. SHAME ON YOU!!! Please tell me at this point that you are so frewakin PERFECT that you have the right to look down at others. I don't see rehabilitation as the answer for those who HATE others. With that being said, I will do as my God commands....I LOVE YOU even if you HATE me!!!
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
24 Aug 08
Yes actually the bible does say that if you're not perfect you shouldn't cast stones. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones. It is only for God not us to judge these things.
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
23 Aug 08
Me too & YES it does. Nowhere in the Bible does it say NOT to love the homosexual. However, it DOES say judge not lest ye be judged!!! So my whole point is WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO JUDGE WHAT IS WRONG??? And since you are NOT perfect, you really have NO right to judge anyone. Personally, I don't think people who live in Uganda should be allowed to own a computer & voice their opinion as obviously they are unable to think responsibly. And I might add that anybody under 21 does NOT have an opinion worth listening to unless it agrees with mine!!! Yes, that is ridiculous....so are your comments. I will allow you to yell a me as long as you need to. It will NOT change my opinion & it WILL keep you from attacking perfectly harmless people who have NEVER done anything to you!!!
STOP THE HATRED!!!
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
24 Aug 08
THANK YOU!!!
I just cannot understand the hatred in some people.
If they would just look into their own heart as they look into others, EVERYBODY's life would be soooo much better!!!
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@3cardmonte (5098)
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23 Aug 08
Buddhism isnt against it,they are against nothing,they live and let live as you should do, please tell me what book and chapter in the bible says that homosexualoty is wrong?
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I guess I should become a Buddist. I totally believe in live & let live!!! I believe what another does is between them & their God...NOT them, their God & Me!!! I do not understand all this hatred by people of others they have NOT even met!!!
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@missykrissy85 (58)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I did have a heaping lot to say in response to this, but I can see that plenty of people have already done this. Clearly, you, me, nor anyone else has the right to declare another human being's lifestyle as "wrong". In addition, those of you who are "wrong" in thinking that homosexuality is "wrong" are the ones who need "counseling" and "re-education".
(Did that make any sense?)
In other words - turn the wheel around.... is it fair for a homosexual to tell you that your lifestyle is wrong? Why not? Did God come down and speak to you face to face and tell you this is wrong?
And for clarification purposes, why didn't what come out as male and male or female or female? Man and woman were created in God's image, right? So if that man or that woman is gay, isn't that a reflection on God?
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Where is the PROOF that God said homosexuality is wrong? I want the proof to back up your words. The Bible is not proof. The Bible is a book written a very long time ago. So is Romeo and Juliet.
Did you actually HEAR God say this? If you did, prove it. You can't? Then, what you are saying is YOUR OWN BELIEF, not a FACT.
You can BELIEVE that homosexuality is wrong. There is nothing wrong with your believing in something. But to tell others that it is wrong simply because YOU believe it is wrong is so warped I just don't know how to put it into words.
Plus, if you are so religious, why are you judging anyone? Doesn't the Bible also say that we should not judge others?
@boofie75 (8)
• United States
25 Aug 08
First of all, Raymo - you put far too much importance on yourself to presume to speak for God. You INTERPRET the Word to speak against homosexuality. Even if it is written as such, I think something along the lines of "a man is not supposed to lay with another man", God's message is of love, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I ALSO believe it was written "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". And that line came straight out of Jesus's mouth.
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
10 Jan 09
I agree that its unnatural and that its not my preferred choice, but so are a lot of things we choose to do with our lives. I dont think its anyones right to deny anyone a choice that only affects them. But that includes not bringing it into politics or the classrooms one way or the other
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
21 Sep 08
I am a heterosexual however I do think that gays must be respected and not discriminated. The Catholic religion distinguishes between the homosexual act and homosexuals. Homosexuals are also children of God and must be respected. The church condemns the homosexual act only not the homosexuals.
The church also condemns adultery. So the church understands the human weakness. Whoever sins whether he is homosexuals or heterosexual can be reconciled with God through the sacrament of reconciliation
@Sillychick (3275)
• United States
24 Aug 08
So, then what you are saying is that what You believe is right for everyone? I'm not saying I think it is right or wrong, but I don't believe that I, you or anyone else is in a position to judge. With all of the Actual problems we have in the world today, I can't believe people are still wasting their time worrying about how other people live their lives. There are worse things that people do, things that actually affect the people around them.
Seriously, why do you think it is up to you to tell others they are wrong? Just because 'every major religion' is against it, doesn't mean that 'every major religion' is right. Some major religions are against 'allowing' women to work or even be seen outside the home;some allow men to have several wives, and do all sorts of other things that are not right, so why are you so sure they are right about this?
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@dreamhealer (812)
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10 Sep 08
There are far more serious things to worry about, then homosexuality! In fact, for our most serious question, our increasing fragile eco-system, homosexuality is a good thing... if done with consent, it is harming no-one and is helping the environment, in that extra mouths are not created, in need of more resources from the increasingly depleted earth...
@trishasantos (1297)
• Philippines
24 Aug 08
Well I have nothing against them. I totally respect their preferences. I have friends who are lesbians and gays and I think they are people too just like straight people. They are human beings. They have feelings too. I think people nowadays should learn to respect them, if they cant do it because of their sexuality, I think they should respect them for being human. Yes, most of the people think its wrong, especially religious people. But I think if you have something against them, you should just keep it. It's their life not yours. Like what you said we have different backgrounds and beliefs. You already said it. Respect comes next. It's their choice. Btw, I am straight and I totally respect homosexuals for being human, just like me.
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@trisha_nava82 (1379)
• United States
24 Aug 08
i totally agree with what you have said about being gay is wrong that is so true. but people are going to decide to live their life the way they want to live it no matter how society would like for them to live it. all you can do is pray for those and move on. i know you mentioned reeducation, but honestly i don't think that will work.
@GlitterExplosion (415)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Reeducation doesn't work because you can't change a thing, you can only make them live in denial or play pretend. If I'm correct, most ex-gays still struggle, and some have killed themselves because of it. And why pray? Pray for what?
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