Neuter or not?

@Ritz100 (1169)
Yecla, Spain
August 23, 2008 7:00pm CST
Now I am a great believer in neutering and spaying, but I have recently taken on this very strange creature, who for 3 months just lived on the courtyard wall, meowing, morning, noon and night. He refused to come near a human being, would not even be in the same room as one, if he was near a human he left like a bolt of lightening, hence his name Zippy (zips everywhere.) He got fed on the roof, through an upstairs window and, unfortunately, crapped on the roof too. Well, for some unknown reason, he has climbed down from his wall, is making friends with the dogs, eating with the other two cats (1 male neutered, 1 female spayed) and even allows strokes and rubs round my legs when I go near him. I could never neuter him before because I couldnt capture him, but now that I can, should I do it just for the sake of it? There are no queens in his vicinity, should I leave it?
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
24 Aug 08
YES....HAVE HIM NEUTERED!!! You just might save his life!!!
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
Im sorry ladymarissa, if I thought that were so I certainly would, but I dont understand what you mean. Can you explain why it might save his life?
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Unneutered Tomcats tend to do stupid things like... (1) Roaming & darting in front of cars increasing chances of being run over. Once fixed they tend to hang close to their food & not in the way of a car. (2) Fighting other Toms in order to get to a female in heat. Once fixed it Removes the desire which removes the temptation. Hope this helps!!!
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
Thanks for the clarification, I am being swung toward doing it, its the car thing that worries me most.
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@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
24 Aug 08
You say there are none on his vicinity, but do you have any idea how far a cat or dog will travel just to procreate? It is quite a long distance when nature is calling. There is no reason NOT to neuter him and a lot of reasons TO neuter him. Do it.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
It will have to wait a couple of weeks as, the main reason not to do it now is that it costs 50€ and I can only just afford to feed us all at the moment, not even sure where next months rent is gonna come from yet - it certainly wont be from contributing to myLot discussions. lol Thanks for your, ever sensible, input.
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@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
24 Aug 08
i will definitely send zippy for neutering. when he is in heat, he'll start catawaulling which can wake the entire neighbourhood. he is also more likely to get into fights with other tom cats. he might also get himself injure by passing cars or whatnot in search of a mate. the possibilities are endless. i'll definitely send him for the procedure. cheers ;p
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
Thanks for your comments. I think when he lived on that wall he was catawauling, but didnt get any responses, so he gave up ha ha.
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@mcat19 (1357)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Neutering will help him live longer. He will wander far and wide to meet females if left intact. He will fight with other males if left intact. He will continue to spray if left intact. Please neuter him, for his sake and for the sake of any unwanted kittens you may never know about. Zippy will do very well with you to take care of him.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
Thanks for that, he will do well, so long as he stays within the grounds of the property I live in. Unwanted kittens I may never know about is something I find totally unacceptable, I think all the arguments here have been toward going ahead. I think I just might do that.
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@mcat19 (1357)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Please do. He will be happier and healthier. It doesn't even require thought; it's the right thing to do.
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• Singapore
24 Aug 08
I believe it is best not to have him neutered, as it will destroy him mental health. His hormones production primarily comes from his private part, and removing that part will disrupt his normal growth. He will never be the same again if you do that - and you might end up regretting it due to the change in his behavior and attitude towards you.
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
I have never said it before, as I always believed it to be absolutely right to neuter, every time. But you have voiced my biggest fear in doing so. I dont want to change his character for the worst, as he has only just become friendly. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.
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@Munchkin547 (2778)
24 Aug 08
I think it is always wise to have them neutered! there may not be any female cats around that haven't been spayed at the moment but he mght go off on his travels and meet one or one might move to the area. Apart from that i think it has an effect on their behaviour! am not an expert on the subject but i do believe it is best, i do hope though that if you do decide to neuter him that it doesn't make him shy and nervous of humans again!! good luck with your predicament!! xxx
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
I was worried about it changing his character as he has only just become a friendly cat. However, I have always been an advocate of neutering and spaying and have never kept a cat that wasn't. But in this country, things seem to be a bit different. Im not sure. Still considering it. Thanks for your input.
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24 Aug 08
Well i hope it works out well for you whatever you decide! xxx
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• United States
24 Aug 08
yes deffianlty do it, it would increase his life span. and help him out. there are alot of homeless cat on the streets. it could stop him from getting one pregnant.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
There are a lot of feral cats here in Spain, but I live in 3000sq feet of fenced in orange grove and he never wanders outside of that, and Ive never had a feral come into the grounds, although thats not to say it wont happen, and the last thing I need is a litter of unwanted kittens in the grounds, its just not acceptable to be the instigator of unwanted animals. Still undecided though. Thanks for your response.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I would do it because he will be happier and healthier in the long run. And he can smell a queen in heat for miles so even if there isn't one in the near area, he might go to find one further away and get hit by a car.
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@ellie333 (21016)
24 Aug 08
I would pernsonally get him done as Toms tend to get themselves in trouble when they are not but wait until he is much more confient with you otherwise putting into a box and him having to have this done might make him even more wary of trusting humans in the future. Ellie :D
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
As explained in the comment above, it will have to wait anyway. Right now he lives in my kitchen and only goes out into the walled courtyard to relieve himself, he seems really happy to just stay put for the moment. Thanks for your response.
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@fifileigh (3615)
• United States
24 Aug 08
how old is he? if he is young, neuter him. but i heard that it is not good to neuter older pets.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
Not sure of his age, I sort of inherited him, it seems to be normal here in Spain for cats and dogs to be passed from pillar to post. He seems fairly well established age wise, judging by his "bits" and his teeth and he doesnt spray of foul and is totally attached to the house. Still not sure, thanks for your response.
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@auntiedis (165)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Neutering him will also prevent him from spraying all over your house also, aside from the perks that LadyMarissa mentioned. Good for you for giving him a home!
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
Oh he's not the first, since moving to Spain I have rescued and rehomed 40+ animals, both cats and dogs and I have always had them neutered before they get moved on - or stay with me which is eight of them now. Thanks for your response.
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@TheCatLady (4691)
• Israel
25 Jan 09
Just do it. If you can't get him into the cage, rent or borrow a humane trap. They go into the trap to eat a yummy bit of food and the door closes behind them. You say there are no queens around, but the queen could be a mile or more away and he will smell her. Also getting him neutered will prevent him form getting testicular cancer.
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• Israel
25 Jan 09
I'm glad you did the right thing. It doesn't matter why as long has he got snipped. You are now in the ranks of responsible pet people.
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
25 Jan 09
For the final conclusion to this tale, go to this discussion, I am sure you will approve. http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1883091.aspx Thanks for responding, I totally agree.
@deem1977 (242)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I think you should definitely neuter him for all the reasons already stated above (less roaming, less chance of getting hit by a car while roaming, less likelihood of fighting, less chance of reproducing, etc.) Plus if you decide that you want to keep him as a pet and if he tolerates that change well, he would be a much better pet as there would be less chance of spraying and less urine odor.
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
He lives in the kitchen now, eats there, sleeps there and fusses with the dogs there. But he doesnt spray, never has. Maybe he doesnt know he is a male. He gets on with the other male (although this one is neutered) and all my other animals, I think he is just a very insecure cat, hes not a feral, he came from another home. Sorry that all sounds like rambling, just thinking out loud and putting a picture together. Thanks very much for commenting.
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• United States
24 Aug 08
i would definitely go ahead and get him neutered, it will save his life most definitely and it will keep unwanted homeless kittens off the street. one less male cat getting a female cat pregnant. have you thought of maybe taking him in all together.
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
24 Aug 08
Yes, you are right about the unwanted kittens, there are hundreds of feral cats in Spain. There is a society (Engligh and German people) who go round neutering the males to try to slow down the problem. They cut a little chunk off the end of their ears when they have done the procedure, then put them back in the wild. This is to show others that they have already been done. Thankd for your response.
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@vmoore709 (1101)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Hello. I believe that if you are going to keep this guy around, you should definitely consider getting him fixed. Since you have other animals, you already know that there are health advantages to doing so. Now, you may want to wait until he's completely comfortable with you before trying to catch him...you don't want to totally freak him out. You know him best...go with your instinct :) Toys for the Pet Owner: www.comeplaytoday.com
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
26 Aug 08
Thats probably the most sensible way to handle, take it as it comes and do it when the time is right. Thanks for your response.
@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
24 Aug 08
I have a cat that was adopted by me in pretty much the same way. (Ralphie, after a character in M*A*S*H who surrendered to Hawkeye and B.J.) He is still fully in tact and is semi wild. I pondered the same question and finally decided that he would remain a fully functional male as all the other cats in my area are spayed and neutered. I decided that the trauma of being captured, transported in the car, being deposited at the vet and the surgery would be just too much for him and it could cause everything we established in the way of trust would be damaged irreparably. He is now 17 years old, which is a very old age for an outside cat, and it would be just too much for me to try to neuter him now. Since your Zippy isn't in contact with unspayed females I wouldn't think about neutering him. If the situation should change you might consider it but I would spay the female rather than deal with Zippy. Females will range when they are in heat, so it would be more likely that she could be impregnated from another cat other than Zippy, so it makes more sense if a she-male should appear to have her fixed. It is a fact of do you value his trust more than the fact that it could be damaged by your trying to trap him and get him fixed when it isn't absolutely necessary. Another point too is the fact that even though he allows you to pet him and rubs against your legs, he still has CLAWS! I trapped some feral cats and made a big mistake of trying to get them all in one cage for transport. My hands and arms looked like hamburger...plus they also clawed up the carpet in my car, pooped and peed while in transport, and then scratched me even more when I was getting them out of my car. It took weeks for the wounds to heal (along with tetanus shot) and it was something I decided that I really didn't want to do again!Let Zippy enjoy his friends and loving you. His territory is obviously limited to your building and a small area close by. He is happy and doesn't have any unspayed ladies around so don't try to fix something that isn't broken. Taking him to the vet may sound easy, but trust me with a semi wild cat it isn't all that easy!
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Thank you for the best response, it came at a perfect time as I had a really tough week last week. Best responses to me are like blue ribbons, I look at them and feel better about myself and outside problems. Thank you! I am a huge proponent of spaying and neutering. I usually don't let a dog or cat go by without getting them de-sexed. But every once in a while there is a exception to the rule, and Ralphie and Zippy are those exceptions. Dealing with reformed feral cats is always difficult. I agree totally with waiting and seeing how he does. If it comes to pass that a queen comes into the area you will need to deal with the situation. But you feel the same way I do about Ralphie. I don't want to violate his trust by thrusting him in a cage, hauling him to a strange person and having him go through the surgery. When you gain his total trust then think about it. I measure a lot of the trust by if he will let me pick him up and hold him. Right now he wouldn't trust me that far. Besides the fact that as old as Ralphie is it would be like giving a 190 year old man a vasectomy! (LOL) I realize Ralphie could still father kittens, but we haven't had the dumping problem here like we used to. The last stray (Max) was already neutered and found a family with an older couple that are a bit cantankerous but they both just adore the idiot. Max loves to ride on golf carts (the complex I live in has golf carts for transportation rather than driving on the 40 acres)and he has ridden around the area on the roof of my car. Anyhow the couple treat Max like a king and the wife goes out and brushes Max daily and the husband buys special treats for the cat. (I would love to be Max, treats include fresh salmon, trout, shredded beef, specially cooked chicken and they even made him a Thanksgiving plate of turkey, mashed potatoes-Max loves mashed 'taters- gravy and even a 1/4 teaspoon of pumpkin pie filling with a huge blob of whipped cream!!!) I guess the best thing to figure is "if it ain't broke don't fix it", but if it comes to pass that there is the possibility of having a queen in the area then you will need to do the neuter thing. I had to have my Flame Point Siamese kittens neutered because they were spraying constantly and I just couldn't keep up with the cleaning. They are both more loving and calm kids...but they weren't resocialized cats. Just enjoy Zippy and believe it or not you will know when the time is right, if ever, to get him neutered.
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
26 Aug 08
I havent responded to this before as I felt it deserved reading through a couple of times, as you put so much effort into it. I am afraid I feel like you do, I even walk round the 3000sqft of grounds with the dogs and Zippy stays by the house, although my other neutered male walks with us. I am afraid that if I do have this done, he may make a dash for it and Ill never see him again. I am still undecided but I really appreciate what you set out to say. I think I will leave it for now, see what happens, if he gets real close and trusting, or if I start hearing females around, I will consider doing something then. Thanks for your lengthy input.
• United States
24 Aug 08
As a responsible pet owner you should indeed have him neutered. I have a feral tom cat hanging around here. My goal is to live trap heim and take him to the vet's. There's no way I could capture him myself and handle him. When I get him to the vet, she will open the cage into a tank for him to go into. Then they will give him gas to put him out so they can neuter him. Afterwards, (while still sleeping) he goes back in the cage. I bring him home and let him go. I give him food and water and shelter here.
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@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
26 Aug 08
Trapping ferals is fine, and when you put them back, they can run away, but I dont want Zippy to do that. We will see. And I agree with what you are doing, it is the right thing in those circumstances, there are groups of foreigners here (English and Germans in Spain) who capture, neuter and spay ferals and return them to the wild, its a good thing. Keep up the good work and thanks very much for responding.
@bbjwlsn (263)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Hi Ritz, how are you today? I vote yes for neutering Zippy. All of the above reasons are very good, and I agree with all of them. I understand the money part; we have three cats and three dogs. All have been neutered/spayed except for the youngest female cat. She is strictly an indoor cat, never, ever goes outside. I still intend to have her spayed, as soon as we can afford it. Good luck with Zippy.
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@apples99 (6556)
• United States
24 Aug 08
Yes you should definitely have him neutered, i always spay or neuter my pet its the best thing for them inless you plan to breed him.
@Ritz100 (1169)
• Yecla, Spain
26 Aug 08
No, not planning on breeding him, he cute, but not THAT cute. I have always spayed and neutered, I dont know what it is about this one thats making me doubt. Thanks for your input.