Are We Being "Programed" To Expect Disease Or Medical Conditions?
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
August 26, 2008 7:52pm CST
We live in a time where there have been great medical advances...The medical profession has been able to identify and label diseases and their probable causes that weren't even known maybe as little as twenty years ago. And while there may not be one-hundred percent cures for many diseases, many can be "contained" or lessened in their effects.
But I just can't help reflecting here. I'm not really big on medications to begin with...I get that from my no-nonsense, great-grandmother who was a nurse, was into natural and herbal remedies and cures, never took anything stronger than aspirin and lived to 98 years old....oh, and she thought doctors were idiots for the most part.
With all the advancements though that we have had in the medical field...are we sometimes being programed to expect certain diseases or medical conditions? Yes, genetics can play a big role...if someone in the family somewhere along the line had a certain type of cancer, or diabetes, high blood pressure, heart conditions, whatever then yes, maybe the chances are via genetics a descendant will most likely get it...ah, but is that REALLY true? Are we REALLY to expect some hereditary illness or disease or are we being brainwashed to believe it. The mind is a powerful thing...program any negative idea over and over again, and it could appear in your life as fact.
I say this as I always remember a story....I'm sure you've heard similar ones. Two different men go to their doctor...the same doctor. One has unknowingly a terminal illness and the other is perfectly in the top of his health. The two get tests done ....the results come back....The doctor sadly informs the one man he only has months to live due to his terminal illness and he should get his affairs in order....the other man, the doctor tells is in tip top shape and there's nothing wrong with him...BUT...the problem is, is that the lab mixed the tests results...they got mixed up...So in other words the man who is told he has only a few months to live was in fact, the one that was healthy, while the healthy man is wrongly told he is to die soon...Guess who dies? Yes, the man who was perfectly healthy, but is told he is terminally ill. He believed what was told to him and even though he really was healthy, because of the test mix up error, now believes he's dying.
I also remember another story I had heard. An elderly man died and was autopsied to find the cause of death, as seemingly there was no real cause except perhaps only old age....In life he appeared perfectly in tip top healthy form and didn't rush to doctors getting this test or that test....At his autopsy, they discovered he had just about everything wrong imaginable, clogged arteries, heart damage, this, that...in other words the man should have dropped dead decades ago...but since he didn't listen to negative analysis of what should be wrong with him he remained healthy and functional.
So isn't that true about being told ...oh, at such and such an age you can expect this health problem, or that health problem coming into your life. If your family member had such and such cancer, you can expect it....REALLY?
Yes, to remain healthy, perhaps we should be screened for different possible health problems that can come at a certain age..still I can't help thinking that a lot of it all sounds like a form of brainwashing to me to expect diseases or medical conditions.
What are your feelings about this?
With all the advancements though that we have had in the medical field...are we sometimes being programed to expect certain diseases or medical conditions? Yes, genetics can play a big role...if someone in the family somewhere along the line had a certain type of cancer, or diabetes, high blood pressure, heart conditions, whatever then yes, maybe the chances are via genetics a descendant will most likely get it...ah, but is that REALLY true? Are we REALLY to expect some hereditary illness or disease or are we being brainwashed to believe it. The mind is a powerful thing...program any negative idea over and over again, and it could appear in your life as fact.
I say this as I always remember a story....I'm sure you've heard similar ones. Two different men go to their doctor...the same doctor. One has unknowingly a terminal illness and the other is perfectly in the top of his health. The two get tests done ....the results come back....The doctor sadly informs the one man he only has months to live due to his terminal illness and he should get his affairs in order....the other man, the doctor tells is in tip top shape and there's nothing wrong with him...BUT...the problem is, is that the lab mixed the tests results...they got mixed up...So in other words the man who is told he has only a few months to live was in fact, the one that was healthy, while the healthy man is wrongly told he is to die soon...Guess who dies? Yes, the man who was perfectly healthy, but is told he is terminally ill. He believed what was told to him and even though he really was healthy, because of the test mix up error, now believes he's dying.
I also remember another story I had heard. An elderly man died and was autopsied to find the cause of death, as seemingly there was no real cause except perhaps only old age....In life he appeared perfectly in tip top healthy form and didn't rush to doctors getting this test or that test....At his autopsy, they discovered he had just about everything wrong imaginable, clogged arteries, heart damage, this, that...in other words the man should have dropped dead decades ago...but since he didn't listen to negative analysis of what should be wrong with him he remained healthy and functional.
So isn't that true about being told ...oh, at such and such an age you can expect this health problem, or that health problem coming into your life. If your family member had such and such cancer, you can expect it....REALLY?
Yes, to remain healthy, perhaps we should be screened for different possible health problems that can come at a certain age..still I can't help thinking that a lot of it all sounds like a form of brainwashing to me to expect diseases or medical conditions.
What are your feelings about this?7 people like this
12 responses
@littleowl (7157)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Pye..I really understand where you are coming from and agree with you..the brain we only know a little about and yes it is a very powerful part of our body and putting your thoughts and feelings in such a way can have a huge effect on how we feel,act and do things..just like a hyperchondriact (dont know if that is spelt right) but they only have to be told about someone else and how they are even if its just a cold then they too go down with a cold..I know someone like that and he says dont tell me so I dont cos if I do he will get the same symptoms but he is a very healthy man...I also believe in positive thinking as that keeps you healthy and able to cope with day to day problems whereas if you get depressed then all sorts of negativity comes your way and you cant deal with it...the brain has so much that we as yet donot know about but if used to its full there would be a sensational change in everyones lives...bb littleowl
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@jhellie_baby (374)
• Philippines
27 Aug 08
No we are not. It just depends on how we take care of our body. Its really important to consider healthy living as to have a healthy life style. sad to say many people just consider their health when they begin to feel that they are suffering from an illness. prevention is always better than cure.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
1 Sep 08
That's not necessarily true though... Yes healthy lifestyles are a very important factor but what about people who have been super careful of the types of foods they eat and how they live and they still get a catastrophic illness?
@GardenGerty (160978)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I do not expect to be ill, and seldom am. I cannot afford some of the tests that the doctor would like to run, either.I do get some of them free as a perk to my job. Both hubby and I constantly astound the doctors, buy the number of medications we do not take.I am in my mid 50's, he is early 60's, we take NO prescriptions. We do take vitamins, and we eat lots of tasty foods, well seasoned with many herbs. I am overweight, but my blood pressure, and cholesterol are okay. My knees and feet would thank me immensely if were to lose weight. I do, from time to time, take aspirin, acetaminophen, naproxen or ibuprofen, but not all that often. Aspirin more often than any of the others, as besides helping with arthritis pain, it is shown to help with heart health and certain cancers.It also does not raise your blood pressure, unlike the others. Yes, if we expect to get sick, we will make ourselves sick. I firmly believe it.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
30 Aug 08
I've never been big on prescription medications either, the only one I might take if I need it is an antibiotic and like you only take aspirin....I take a number of vitamin and herbal supplements as well. I'm sometimes amazed at the number of prescriptions most people take...like, yikes they are walking medicine cabinets and time their day to when to take meds. Often too, the reason they take so many is that maybe initially they took one medication...but then develop side effects, so are prescribed another med to counterbalance the first med....then they develop a side effect from the second med and are given another med to counterbalance that...yeesh
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@someonesmom (5761)
• Canada
3 Sep 08
Hi pye, 
This is quite the interesting discussion, and I know exactly what you mean. In my family, we have a very strong history of cancer. I continue to go through various 'routine' tests, so that there would be an early diagnosis. I do think that the medical advances that have been made are wonderful, but sometimes believe doctors can be 'over the top' with these screenings. It depends on the individual doctor, but I have found those that are quite the 'alarmists.' In the long run, this doesn't help any, as 'we' will either contract a certain disease, or we won't. My sister and I have had the discussion often, where it seems that many times when a person's diagnosed with cancer, once they know about it their condition deteriorates. This proves to me, that our minds are greatly influenced by these things. I think the medical field, needs to find more 'people friendly' ways to give a patient these serious diagnoses. Perhaps they need a course in human relations. Take care.
This is quite the interesting discussion, and I know exactly what you mean. In my family, we have a very strong history of cancer. I continue to go through various 'routine' tests, so that there would be an early diagnosis. I do think that the medical advances that have been made are wonderful, but sometimes believe doctors can be 'over the top' with these screenings. It depends on the individual doctor, but I have found those that are quite the 'alarmists.' In the long run, this doesn't help any, as 'we' will either contract a certain disease, or we won't. My sister and I have had the discussion often, where it seems that many times when a person's diagnosed with cancer, once they know about it their condition deteriorates. This proves to me, that our minds are greatly influenced by these things. I think the medical field, needs to find more 'people friendly' ways to give a patient these serious diagnoses. Perhaps they need a course in human relations. Take care.1 person likes this
@someonesmom (5761)
• Canada
4 Sep 08
That doctor sounds like a real winner. When I was pregnant with me daughter, my doctor saw trouble around every corner, just because I was 'older.' I hate it when they react this way.
When I was pregnant with me daughter, my doctor saw trouble around every corner, just because I was 'older.' I hate it when they react this way.
@ashar123 (2357)
• India
27 Aug 08
Our human brain when gets defeated by a virus causing us sick, programs itself. How ? When we get sick and out white blood cells get defeated by the invading virus in our body and blood, the medicine we eat, fights with that virus and we get well again. Our brain stores that information about virus but no need of this programming. As humans can't produce medicine in themselves, humans therefore only rely on medicine if they are having some disease in them. This programming is only a natural fight back strategy programmed in humans to fight against coming diseases and make white blood cells more stronger. Therefore, you must have seen, during flu, you get well after some days, thus, your brain knows a cure. I read this concept in a reasearch of a biologist who is preparing thesis on it. I hope he proves it, as a matter of fact, his doctoriate degree is online for this.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
1 Sep 08
Yes I know our bodies can be absolutely marvelous in how it can often heal itself..get a cut, it heals itself, get a cold, it heals itself..did you know the body routinely renews itself all the time? Old cells are destroyed and new ones are made on a daily basis...eventually to the point where the whole body is completely renewed....all this because our brains program it to do so
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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27 Aug 08
Hi pye,
I totally agree with you on that, I have a friend who goes to the doctor nearly every week and even her doctor is getting fed up with her, but me I hate to go anywhere near there and I grow my own herbs I use them for any ailments I have and have never felt ill, I do think you are right about medical people brainwashing to make you feel worse.
Bright Blessings.
Tamara
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
30 Aug 08
My mother's uncle was like that...constantly going to doctors for every symptom....and the docs probably got fed up with him, yet ironically, maybe because he was such a "nudge" and pain in the "A" they ignored him...yet with all his hypochondriac mentality they, the docs missed the fact that he developed lung cancer. One thing my great-grandmother said NEVER to do...to read those medical books on symptoms...then you'll wind up thinking you have everything.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I think we are. I even believe that sometimes our illnesses come on by believing we have them. We talk ourselves into believing we have them.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Well, it's now a recognized phenomena. I forget what they call..the something, something effect...lol.
Anyway, it shows that a great deal of our health...even when something is physically wrong with us, relies on what's going on with us mentally.
What we believe, what we think, how we're doing emotionally.
Even physics backs us up in saying that whatever we think and believe has an effect on the world around us, so why not the world within us -- our bodies?
I don't expect to get sick, and I rarely fall ill. I've always mostly attributed this to the fact that I love healthy food, I've lived on a farm...down in the dirt, the muck, the germs (germs are actually usually pretty good for us after all), and the fact that I don't like modern medicine much myself. Preferring herbs over prescriptions.
Recently, I've discovered problems with low blood pressure and that actually I eat -too- well. I need things which aren't usually considered as good for you. Salty, fatty foods...or else I feel faint and my veins feel like they're gonna pop out of my body.
This is of course, a self-diagnosis.
But I believe in scientific principles, that is...I tested it out. I changed my diet several times and observed my health during the whole thing.
Since I'm not a hypochondriac, I trust my own diagnosis. Whenever I start feeling low blood pressure coming on, I eat a candy bar or spend a dollar on something from McDonald's...and I feel better.
Since it was a self-diagnosis and I'm not a doctor, this could simply be my believing my symptoms away. But since it's working I won't question it much.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
4 Sep 08
I even found my way around aspirin, lol ('cause I get really horrible headaches sometimes). Ground ivy tea. (Backyard common weed, aka creeping charlie.)
But yeah ^_^'
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
1 Sep 08
well people don't pay medical bills.
i'm sure unethical doctors will happily tell you somethings wrong with you.
and you know what's really bad? with the power of suggestion,well people can become ill.just look at people with a false HIV positive.i'm sure they're never the same.
it's funny,they tell me i have a high hereditary cancer risk-but yet almost every member of my family who's had cancer,was in the military.now there's food for thought.
@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
7 Sep 08
not sure,pye..i suppose it's possible.
but i wonder about some of the things dad in particular was exposed to.
he told me he did a lot of "hazard duty".
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
4 Sep 08
as far as the high risk of cancer in your family that were all in the military...think it was from stress? They say the biggest trigger of most diseases is actually stress and nothing really to do with genetics.
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@sumofalltears (3988)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I believe that our state of health is a combination of genetics, and lifestyle which includes healthy habits and healthy thoughts. I do believe that your emotional well being has a bearing on your health. The brains controls every function of the body one way or another so your state of mind has a lot to do with your health.
Nothing lasts forever so I am sure there are certain things that need to be checked as you get older. I don't think it is conditioning but more a case of facing the realities of aging and taking preventative measures to stay healthy. We can control our lifestyle and our thoughts, but we can't control the genetics so submitting to tests is the smart thing to do.
It is very true that an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure. And once the cure is needed positive thinking can make all the difference in the world.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
30 Aug 08
Well my great grandmother did all her preventative measures natural and herbaly and as I said never took anything stronger than aspirin...uh, and maybe a shot of whiskey now and then...LOL..Her mind remained sharp as a tack, and had no major health problems. Of course times were different...I'm beginning to think a lot of our current health problems are in many ways environmental too, rather than always genetic, don't you think?
@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
28 Aug 08
Hi pyewacket! I think I belong to your grandmother's group. Never like going to the doctor anyway. haha..I am into herbal remedies and nothing can dissuade me from that. Like for instance when my mother's friend was diagnosed with stage IV Cancer and she was told that she has a few months to live. She didn't believe the doctor and told him that he has no "powers" at all to predict how long she can stay here on earth. She was diagnosed more than twenty years ago and she is still living until now. On the other hand when my mother was diagnosed with cancer, we were assured by the doctors that she is going to live long since my mother will undergo all the medical procedures. We spent so much for her medical treatment and three months after she passed away. After that, the doctor told me since my mother has cancer, I have a greater risk of having one myself. can you believe that? he told me that I have to have my regular check ups to see the starting signs of cancer so they can prevent it. Didn't came back for any of his silly medical opinions about me.
Take care always..God Bless!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
4 Sep 08
LOL--guess your mother's friend who lived so long proved everyone wrong, right? Could have been she had a really strong and positive willpower and just plain didn't accept the "dire" prognosis. Sorry to hear about your mother though..
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
30 Aug 08
pyewacket I dont think we are being programmed,.we are just
all of us being too dependant on fast foods and being
couch potatoes and not trying to eat healthier foods and
exercise our bodies as we should. we bring our own problems
on ourselves by the way we mistreat our bodies. this is not
our doctors faults, its our own faults. we refuse to eat
healthy and exercise so what do we expect? I trust my doctor
and he has said exercise, and eat right, and lose weight.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
4 Sep 08
Yes I do believe a healthier lifestyle is great for keeping us healthy...but then how do you explain how people can get drastically sick or terminally ill when they have had a very healthy lifestyle?
