Does poor spelling/grammar deter you from responding?
By jomom75
@jomom75 (90)
Canada
August 26, 2008 10:24pm CST
I know not everyone on here is from an English speaking country. I think it's wonderful that so many people from non-English speaking countries learn to speak English, I would love to learn another language fluently.
But, with that being said, I have found that about half the discussions I try to read are not only chalked full of spelling mistakes(big ones), but are also so poorly put together that I can't make sense of what the poster is trying to say. From what I can make out it seems like it would be a really good discussion, but without being able to figure out exactly what they are saying how can I be sure what I would be responding to?
So, there has been some discussions that I have not responded to simply because I can't figure out for sure what the poster is trying to say. What about you? Do you avoid responding to some discussions for this same reason? Or do you just do your best to figure out what their discussion is about and respond anyway?
The fact that there is no spell check does not help some people I know, as well that they cannot even type it elsewhere with a spell check until they reach 500 posts so they are able to paste it.
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48 responses
@nanciem (1105)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Hi jomom,
I know what you are saying, however I have posted a similar discussion prior to your post this evening. I myself, like to double check my spelling and grammar; sometimes it just slips bu and I hit "post" to quickly.
I do not judge, if I believe the subject interests me, I will read, sometimes reply... If I have miunderstoop what the individual meant, I usually get clarification.
You have to consider, people are tired, do not speak English as well as others.
If it does really bother just don't respond, ya know? :)
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@jomom75 (90)
• Canada
27 Aug 08
Thank you for responding nanciem!
I apologize if I stepped on your toes by posting this, I did however do a search before I posted it and nothing close to it came up in my search.
I did not say I judge anyone. And I clearly stated that I completely understand that for a lot of people on here English is not their first language. I simply am asking if some people find that they do not respond to some discussions because they are just too hard to understand. I'm not talking about someone misspelling a handful of words, I am a good speller and plenty of words make their way through without me catching that I misspelled them. I'm talking about such a combination of misspelled words and no punctuation, as well as words that don't even seem to go with what it seems the poster is saying, just overall unless you sit there for twenty minutes trying to make it out, it seems like gibberish.
You seem to think I'm trying to insult people or something, I am not at all, and nowhere in my post did I even attempt to insult anyone so I'm sorry if you took it that way.
I'm assuming you meant to say if it does really bother me then don't respond? And don't worry, I don't, and I don't respond because I can't understand what they are saying, so it would kind of be pointless, ya know? :)
@nanciem (1105)
• United States
27 Aug 08
No worries, you are not "stepping on my toes".
What I am trying to convey is that sometimes posts do not come out exactly as we want, as you have pointed out. Yes, I was trying to say then don't bother responding.
However just like you stated "what I am assuming is what you meant..." Oh c'mon.
May I ask if you write for a living, or what you do? There are so many people out here in this world who have the ability to do far more than we, and maybe cannot even read or write.
HAve you ever hired an electrician, or a carpenter, or a Computer Technician that was not so "great" with spelling or grammar, and you did not know this until you had a written proposal, but they did a wonderful job?... This is my point, I do not think your post is to insult people, actually it was a response to a response within your post.
I am just saying, try to read between the lines. I myself am no genius, but I try to do my best, and think others are as well.
It is just hard for some people. My Son, now graduating Hawaii University with a 3.0; spent most of his grade school in remedial reading, well.... he was not taught the way he needed to learn.. ya know? He is an intelligent human being, Bussiness Management, Internation Studies (Japanese Major) and Computer Science. So you see, what I mean, my son was not very "good" on "Paper", he has learned; don't pass up a post because of grammar or spelling; pass it up because it's just plain stupid! If I passed up every post that had grammatical error, spelling error, I would not be here to respond to you.
Thanks again! Hope you take no offense to anything I type (I am just very expressive LOL)! :)
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@revellanotvanella (4033)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Absolutely loved your response and it was true and to the heart and I would not stop supporting my fellow mylotters because of any spelling errors and I love the mylotters from other countries who keep up their tenacity to keep communicating with me regardless of their level of English, to me THATS GREAT! Where I live there is a large population of Spanish speaking people (compared to the whole population in the state) who get a lot of criticism for 'not speaking English' and I think its great to be able to communicate with all nationalities and cultures and communities, even within the US, very enlightening.
@jinxky (2248)
• Philippines
27 Aug 08
english is our second language, but for me i can still post to threads that interests me as long as i can express myself, even it's a wrong grammar or what. the most is important is you can understand it & especially other people can understand it too hehehe..
@wickedstepma (940)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I really don't have a problem with the people who speak and write another language other than English, and who you can tell are trying their best to make sense, and I will try to figure out what it is that they are trying to say. The thing that is becoming my pet peeve is the people who shorten every word, with 'webanese' or whatever they call it these days. You know..."How R U doing?" and stuff liek that. there is a place for that, and it is convenient in IM's, but here you don not need to type fast, take your time and spell out the whole wrd! It just strikes me as lazy to do that, just my opinion!
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@wickedstepma (940)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Hehe..and see...I even spelled 'like' 'liek'! And 'word' became 'wrd'! My point being, at least don't intentionally abbreviate!lol!
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@jomom75 (90)
• Canada
27 Aug 08
Thank you for responding wickedstepma!(lol, there must be a story behind that name!)
Oh I have to agree with you! I'm not much for the shortened lingo! I can't say I don't use it at all, but I stick to some more basics. I don't do texting, which I know is where a lot of people learn it, so some of it I don't have a clue what it means LOL. And you're right, some of does seem a bit lazy lol.
@singout (980)
• United States
27 Aug 08
This does not deter me in the least. I think it is commendable of these people from other countries to try and write in the English language. I imagine they could have many sources in their own country to keep them busy. I'm glad they're here.
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@Adelida2233 (1005)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Yes, it deters me a little bit. There is a huge difference from those that are native speakers and those that are not. Those that are not native speakers, I give them the benefit of the doubt since it may be their 2nd or even 3rd language.
Those that are native english speakers though, and I can't understand, I don't bother with at all. Some of the posts I have a hard time distinguishing what the question or point of the post is, so I skip those.
I do think it's great however, that MyLot is an international site, and has done a great job with getting both national and international members to participate.
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@jomom75 (90)
• Canada
27 Aug 08
Thanks for responding Adelida!
I agree, those that are educated and born in the USA or Canada I think have no excuse when it's really bad. I do not say that to hurt anyone's feelings, I have a very good friend who is horrible to understand when she sends me messages. The only thing I can figure is upbringing, in my family school was important but some families are not the same way.
My husband is not the greatest speller, but he uses spell check and he asks. If he's using something that does not have a spell checker, he is always asking me how to spell things. If I'm not available he at least makes a concerted effort to try and spell it correctly.
I agree! It's wonderful to come onto a site and see so many members from all over the world!
@kidjuwee (611)
• Philippines
27 Aug 08
No, It is okay for me if there are some spellign mistakes. If I understand the discussion then I would respond to it. I don't mind if the spellings are incorrect because I also sometimes have mistakes and corrections. If the discussion is interesting, I try to read again and figure out what it means.
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
28 Aug 08
I think the original thread starter was saying that she doesn't mind and can understand spelling and grammatical mistakes. What she is wondering is if these mistakes can deter responders - not because of the mistakes themselves, but because the discussion can't be understood. She doesn't know what the poster means or is getting at.
@jomom75 (90)
• Canada
27 Aug 08
Thanks for responding kidjuwee!
I agree, if I can understand it I definitely respond to it! Well, that is if I have something to say about the topic LOL. Unfortunately I've come across a few that even after going over it 3 or 4 times I still can't figure out what they're saying LOL.
@Angelwriter (1954)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I try and check the poster's profile first to see if they're from a non English speaking country. Then, I'll give them some leeway, and if I can understand the gist of the discussion I'll answer (provided I have something to contribute, of course). If it's someone who should be fluent in English, I pretty much decide that they just don't care and that makes me not want to post. Of course, the occasional typo or spelling mistake can happen to anyone, but when a post is riddled with them, it's very hard to excuse and I don't really care to read them, let alone respond. It's not an exact science, but if I get the impression that you just can't be bothered to spell correctly, rather than someone who doesn't know how, or form a coherent sentence, then I can't be bothered to read or respond to your posts.
@nanciem (1105)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I believe that if you cannot look past the typos, grammatical errors of a post; you might just in fact be missing out. Haven't you ever posted excatly what is on your mind without double checking spelling or grammar?
I know there are quite alot of intelligent people here on MyLot, sometimes, the posts have quite a few typos; it does not mean people are less intelligent than yourself, perhaps they are tired, peraps their spouse is sleeping and they are in the dark. You never know. To pass by a post because of poor spelling or grammatical errors is obviously your own choice; I do not agree with anyone posting that some people "just don't care", I believe that is wrong; you never know what is on the other side of a computer.
Do you like to be judged? I do admit you post is very well said, and give the utmost respect to yourself, but think about it. And No I am not proofing this post LOL
@Angelwriter (1954)
• United States
27 Aug 08
"Do you like to be judged? I do admit you post is very well said, and give the utmost respect to yourself, but think about it. And No I am not proofing this post LOL"
No, but I also don't have time to respond to every post. Everyone has their own criteria for which posts they don't respond to. Why is spelling and grammar any worse or any more judgmental than all the other reasons people pass by a discussion?
And, I believe I did say that I understand typos and spelling mistakes. In fact, let me quote from my post: "Of course, the occasional typo or spelling mistake can happen to anyone" Right there. There's a difference between someone making mistakes and people who just don't care. So I hardly think anything I said should give the impression that the first time I see a spelling mistake I run away from a person's post.
And, I NEVER said anything about anyone being less intelligent than me. Please don't put words in my mouth (or in my message).
And, if people judge my posts, who cares? They're not judging me. They're judging a bunch of words on a message board. Everyone makes judgments(judgments can be good or bad, by the way) deciding which posts are worth responding to. So, actually, ignore my first sentence. I am perfectly fine with my posts being judged by whatever means a person uses to pick the discussions they reply to. In fact I hope they judge my posts, and odds are, sometimes the judgments will go in my favor.
Sorry if I sound annoyed, but an entire factor of my post is being completely ignored, even though I specifically took the time to say I understand typos and spelling errors.
And, in fact, I do try to check my spelling. This isn't a real time chat, so I actually can take the time to see if what I post is presentable. I believe my grammar is fairly good. It may not be perfect, but I'm not looking for perfection (in case somehow I gave that impression) just maybe at least a fifth grade level. That's what it boils down to. Something that seems presentable.
And, considering how my post was taken out of context, I would have responded even if every single word of yours was misspelled here with no grammar whatsoever, seeing as I feel the need to defend what I actually said.
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@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
27 Aug 08
[i]English is not my first language, expectedly, I have more patience for those type of post! I will just try my very best to get what is the core of the topic and from there, expand my thoughts and try to drop my responses!
SO far, I haven't tried to encounter a post which is very hard for me to understand![/i]
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@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
28 Aug 08
I understand what you're saying...although you totally understand that some are not from an Englsih speaking country, sometimes the amount of mistakes can deter you from responding --- not as a result of the mistakes but because you can't understand what they're saying. I will often transpose letters like hte instead of the or like now, on my husband's computer - the keys stick - so either words are thrown together or letters get chopped off. Kind of frustrating!
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@wenczmastah (640)
• Philippines
27 Aug 08
Well why don't we suggest for a category for other languages? That would be nice isn't it? You may talk on your own language and big help for those people here at mylot who don't know english fluently.. And i'm not 100% english citizen but i know english fluently.. Yes there are others who can speak english fluently but not from an english speaking country.. i wonder how many people here at mylot don't speak english fluently...?!? So what do you guys think of my idea?
@jomom75 (90)
• Canada
27 Aug 08
Hi wenczmastah, thank you for responding!
I think that would be completely up to the people who speak other languages. I think you would find a lot who would like it and enjoy speaking to each other in their native language, but you may also find some who wouldn't like it because they find places like this a great help in furthering them with the English language.
I'm guessing that there are a lot who don't write it fluently, but writing a language for some is a lot more difficult then speaking it and vice versa. I think it all depends on that persons way of learning.
@nanciem (1105)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Hi,
I think that would take away from the beauty of this site. Fact is that if you do understand enough english to post it, on to a site such as this, than do so. To create a category for different languages on such a site as this I think will take away from each other. Maybe I do need to research more on MyLot, but isn't that bringing back some sort of segregation?
I also speak Italian, but I would not go to a site specifically where Italian is the choice of language; I want everyone to hear/read my views. So if I just post on an italian "speaking" category aren't I limiting myself?
@metalhalo (599)
• United States
27 Aug 08
So far I haven't come across one that I just could not understand. I've seen some misspelt words and a lot of grammaratical errors but I always get the gist and reply as I see fit.
If I ever do come across one that I just honestly can not understand then I'll probably leave it be and move on. I'm here to post my opinions on various topics, if I can't understand what is being asked then how can I honestly give my opinion?
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@magna86 (1786)
• India
28 Aug 08
ofcourse yes!!! there are some discussion were in the meaning of the discussion
cannot be understood!! coz of the grammar and the formation of the sentences!!! i really find it hard to post a response to such discussions!!! i feel its better not to post a response when the descriptive part is not understood!!!
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@deedavis (24)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I do not avoid responding to a discussion because of poor grammar or spelling. I respond based on the topic(s) or if the discussion is good. If the person is from a different country and English is the second language, I believe we should give them a break. I personally don't care.
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@shaberry (6)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Ahhh, I'm so glad to see this comment!! I post on another site, which will remain nameless! And I'm so frustrated w/ the spelling errors. I don't think anyone corrects their typos- ever!! I was an English major, so it's hard for me to try to sift through these mistakes. But I do appreciate someone from another country improving their English through the internet. It's hard to deal with when it's someone here in my own hometown!
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@robert19ph (4577)
• Philippines
28 Aug 08
[i]Hello jomom75,
I just realize now that my grades in English subject are just passing. I thought before I have very good grades. Anyway, if I can not understand the topic of the discussion I usually don't post. It's hard to say anything if you don't get what's the discussion is about. For the sake of discussion, I can ask some questions first to clarify the discussion and hopefully the explanation are better than the one before. If not, we will just go around circle telling something not relevant to the discussions. It must be fun!
Regards.[/i]
@chechuva (1275)
• Philippines
28 Aug 08
honestly, i don't bother those people who have wrong grammars or spelling. at times too, i have difficulty in spelling and grammar. so what i do before posting my comments i re-read it.
i have this one friend here in mylot who really made my brain bleed while reading his/her comment. but i really appreciate his/her concern and sincerity in responding to my post!
@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
28 Aug 08
For as long as I can understand the thought and the topic is of my interest then I will go and respond especially if the poster happens to be my friend here. I always give support to them as much as possible. However, if I can't really understand and the topic is out of my interest then I skip and go to another discusssion.
I have a strong tolerance on wrong spelling and grammar. I even appreciate those who try to participate and post despite English problems so I make sure I focus on the sense of the topic and not on the spelling or grammar. Wrong spelling and grammar really happened. I myself after reading my own post sometimes would get so embarrassed of myself why I was not able to see the mistakes before submitting. Anyway, English is not my first language so I just console myself that this is understandable anyway. I also do think the same way to others.
@Fil918 (26)
• Mexico
28 Aug 08
Very good way you express yourself Salonga. You have very good written English. Even myself I see mistakes in typing as I type fast without looking for the letters and I find my mistakes after submitting. When we read something with love and write something with love why should be receive critics. I am a human being.
@nizhama2 (295)
• Malaysia
27 Aug 08
I'm one of non English speaker here. I had ask myself a lot if my English is good enough to write here. When I started to write here last week, I had to spend more than 20 minutes for a post, than I realize I can write faster and faster... I have 'some improvement' in English here.
Back to your question, I have no problem if the discussion have a bad grammar or spelling, unless I cannot understand what he/she want from that discussion. In this case, I just go to another discussion.
@jomom75 (90)
• Canada
27 Aug 08
Wow nizhama! I wouldn't even question yourself! From this post here your English is incredible and I would not have even guessed from it that English is not your first language! Your spelling, grammar and everything about your response is better then many people who have only ever spoken English!
And yes, that is exactly what I mean, not being able to understand what he/she is wanting from the discussion.
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Texting on cell phones has ruined lots of people when they try typing in real discussions. I hate to see those kind of things, too. Sometimes I don't understand the abbreviations they use. My grandchildren are fast in texting, but hunt and pick with their fingers to type. So I suppose this is why lots of people use the abbreviations. It's not that they can't speak English, it's just that they have gotten use to abbreviating in life.
@falassion (419)
• Brazil
27 Aug 08
No, I don't bother into answering to posts that I can't understand what's being told.. Because, if you aren't making any efforts to make your discussion "readable", why should I mind about answering it?
Yeah, I know, I don't have a real good english, because I'm from a country where english isn't the "mother language" (I live in Brazil, and we speak Portuguese in here), but I swear I always try my best.. =)
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
28 Aug 08
I think your English is excellent! Much better then most of us in Porteguese! Boa noite, Desejamos-lhe boa sorte....