Secrecy or privacy...which is more detrimental to a relationship?
By scorpiobabes
@scorpiobabes (7225)
United States
August 27, 2008 7:03am CST
This morning on the news, a therapist came on to discuss and define what is cheating. The topic of this discussion was the one I really thought about, and decided to ask everyone what their definition was.
Privacy was things that you can't or won't discuss with ANYONE.
Secrecy are things you talk to anyone BUT your partner.
I feel that secrecy can be dangerous to any relationship--you're sharing a part of yourself with everyone BUT the one person who's supposed to be closest to you; privacy is for just yourself.
I'm in a relationship where I feel that my partner has a lot more secrets than I initially thought, and feel like a fool for putting up with his lines for nearly five years. I feel that he has cheated on me, based on the definitions above, although I think its just emotional. My marriage lacked that emotion feeling, and that's what I need. And because that's been lacking, I have tried to connect physically with others, in an effort to try to find that emotional bond. So I cheated on him too--the difference is that I KNOW.
So what is your definition, how or has it affected you?
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12 responses
@travibabiesgirl (1690)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I think the definitions are very right on. I was in a relationship that sounds a little like yours as far as the lacking emotional feelings. I also searched for that feeling in others, I finally had to end the marriage becuae I knew that it was wrong to put my husband and I through any more secrets and lies. I knew that until I found what I was looking for I would never be faithful to him. Once I found the person that gave me that emotional bond I have completely changed. I would never hide anything from him. I would never risk losing his love by flirting with others or cheating on him in any way. I never want him to have a reason to doubt the love I have for him. I once kept a secret from him but it was because it was a secret that I was forced to say I would never tell. It effected him in a small way but it was not my secret to tell. I could not do it. I tried and I kept hinting to him hoping he would guess it because the guilt ate me up. I finally told him the truth and he was very mad at me. Secrets can destroy a relationship even if it is someone else’s secret. Luckily he forgave me and I swore that I would never ever try to keep a secret from him again. Everyone has something they keep private and that definition is true. They share that with no one.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
27 Aug 08
In my marriage, I was lacking both the physical AND emotional bond; this guy I was supposed to get all of that, but it seems that he's just gone further away the longer we're together. I'm going to be a lot more careful, and not repeat the mistakes I've made. I just want closure on this relationship, something I don't think he'd let me have, before I move on.
@travibabiesgirl (1690)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I hope that you get the closure that you need. All the best to you and I hope everything works out the way you want it to and need for it to.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I doubt I'll get the closure that I'm seeking, but I'll keep on working on myself. Thanks for thinking of me!
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
27 Aug 08
I agree--secrecy is what destroys most relationships, and at the core is trust. If you can't have trust and privacy, then you can't have a real relationship.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
27 Aug 08
I can agree with your own definitions here. Secrecy is intentionally keeping something from someone and in a realtionship that should be about honesty, communication and openness this is not really a positive behaviour. Whereas privacy is being able to have your own mental or physical space from time to time rather than living in each others pockets. There is no issue with occasionally wishing for some privacy as far as I am concerned. One is open and honest, the other is not.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
27 Aug 08
It's the first concise definition I've heard of these terms--I wish my ex-husband had heard them too! He insisted that they were the same thing.
I am a somewhat reserved person, and do keep some things private--I have to! Otherwise, I'd go insane. My ex didn't understand that and would constantly poke and prod until I either screamed, cried or just broke down.
I'm involved with someone now and I've opened up and told him a lot of things, but not about what MY hopes and dreams are. While he doesn't hold me back, he also won't share in them either. But I'm getting a nagging feeling that there's more going on that he WON'T tell me, and that's keeping secrets.
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@blackmantra_x (2732)
• Philippines
28 Aug 08
Good day... I would always go with privacy, in my own definition your partner had a hint that you have something that you keep in privacy but just don't know what while in secrecy, as the world implies your partner doesn't know anything about it.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I'll have to go back and reread what I wrote, but to my knowledge, the biggest thing that I haven't told him is how I really feel about him (I fell in love with him). I think he's been hiding the real nature of his status with the woman he lives with, and therefore he's keeping a secret that hurts ME.
@mimico (3617)
• Philippines
28 Aug 08
I think secrecy is like a bad form of privacy. Wanting to keep things private mans that you isolate yourself from others and don't divulge personal information. It does allow room for another person to know these information if there is trust with one another. Secrecy is not having any trust in the other person. And without trust, a relationship is doomed to fail.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
28 Aug 08
You've made some great points here, especially how they're different, yet still intertwined. I think that a lack of trust is the #1 reason that relationships fail. Thanks for such an honest definition of the terms and how they apply!
@nutanjain (898)
• India
27 Aug 08
hey privacy is demanded by everone irrespective of age groups and it is such a thing that cannot be given or demanded but a person is in constant need of it whether he be male or female secrecy on the other hand means keepin secrets from your partner that are really capabel of breaking any succesful relationship if you are not satisfied with your partner then please do not leave her cause it will make things worse because if you leave her once then her absence will eat you up
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
27 Aug 08
My partner is a man (I can't call him a boyfriend, more like a friend with benefits). He's the one that kept secrets from me from day one--one does not share a bed with a roommate!) he neglected to tell me for 5 1/2 months! I don't have a secret male rookie, and even if I did they would t be a secret! Somethings going on and I'm sick of the lies.
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
28 Aug 08
plunk, I appreciate what you're saying, honest I do. Sometime earlier, I made the decision to let it go. I've been hurt way too much by him, plus I'm working on building my self esteem--why ruin it? I had a grand time this evening, hung out with some friends and did a lot of thinking. I don't need a man to make me complete--just ME!!
@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
27 Aug 08
I'm not too clear on what you are asking here.
My spouse doesn't feel that there should be ANY secrets or ANY privacy between us. Although I have discovered a few things about HIS past that he didn't want me to know. Like under exactly what circumstances his last relationship ended. It was pretty stormy, that's all I'll say about it.
I know what you mean about a marriage lacking that emotion feeling though. Ours started out to be VERY emotional for BOTH of us, I beleive, since I overheard him tell his mother that he thought I was "the one". And I guess I was ripe for the picking because I had just broken up with my ex weeks prior to us meeting. I tried to keep him at a distance and keep it casual, because I really didn't want to get involved again. I was soured from the abuse and the CHEATING that I suspected but confirmed after I kicked his butt to the curb, with the help of the cops, no less.
But over the years the relationship has morphed into something I have become less happy with and him, too. So one day is good, and another is bad. There is much water under the bridge. I wish he would go to counselling with me to sort it all out and put it behind us, so we could start fresh and make it wonderful like it used to be. But, I fear that it may not ever happen and that makes me sad.
I almost feel like a hypocrite for advising you not to take E's sh!t and walk away, when I have not done it myself. But at least you still have your identity. Mine is wrapped up with my spouse's for 15 yrs and very difficult to let go of. You have your own separate place of residence, mine is tied up in every way with my spouse. If I leave I will lose my home and my business that I have dreamed about since I was a small child. I wish it wasn't so, but I must admit it at some point. Even though it is sooooo hard to let go of this life I have wished for all my life.
I'm probably off topic here, sorry, scorp. Guess I am just a bit more emotional than I usually am lately. I've been sincerely hurt quite a bit recently and at a low point, which is unusual for me.
Thanks for listening sweetie. I love ya.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
27 Aug 08
Oh sweetie, HUGS! to you too! It sounds as if you still love your hubbie and want to do whatever's necessary to try to make it work (though it sounds as if he needs some convincing). Good luck!
The fact that I have my own separate residence is because he won't admit that perhaps living in NJ *might* be better than in Philly (or else I smell and he just won't admit the truth ), but I DO want to live with SOMEONE. It's so lonely here at night! My mother raised me to never depend on a man...but now that I've had some problems, I think I might have to (temporarily). I sorta have my own business, although I'm having problems with it right now (financial)--and I'm not really that good at working for 'The Man', but I've got to now. And I really think he's (E.) just too immature to realize it...it'll become the "Oh, when I moved out, me and A. didn't have nothin' line". That situation was only temporary (her being underaged and pregnant_(something caused by HIM!)--mine is semi-permanent, having MS. I'm not complaining, all I really want in life is to have someone to share my hopes, dreams and love with--but I keep hoping that I can hold out. I don't think I can anymore...thanks for listening too!
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@Bethany1202 (3431)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Everyone needs privacy of some sort. I like to do certain things in private such as pluck my nose hairs LOL...
I suppose everyone has secrets as well, but as long as they are not detrimental to the relationship, such as cheating or committing crimes or lying, I suppose it's okay to have SOME secrets, but, as you pointed out, you ARE supposed to be sharing your life with your partner. I would think it would be a bit odd to have dozens of secrets you deliberately hide or keep from your partner.
I was in a bad marriage myself and had to end it. Now I see healthier ways to have relationships and have been in a relationship with a wonderful man for nearly two years now. I never thought I would ever be able to trust anyone intimately again after my marriage, but this man is one of the few good ones out there and he is the best man in the world. I have a couple secrets, and I do need some space and some privacy, but the things he doesn't know are not necessarily important, now would they hurt our relationship, so I do think having both secrets as well as privacy is okay to an extent, but if I had many things he didn't know, I think that would be wrong.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I think you're right--we all have a secret that we're not comfortable sharing with ANYONE. I wasn't comfy sharing my fantasies with someone I was intimate with for nearly five years! I think if its something that wouldnt hurt your rellationship,there probably isn't a problem.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Aug 08
I believe I have a right to have some things private from my husband. But there are certain things I don't have a right to keep a secret from him. Some people just don't know how to share things with their partners due to the way they were raised. Failure to trust because of a childhood betrayal or whatever.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
28 Aug 08
If they're afraid because of a childhood trauma, that's different then keeping secrets that would hurt their partner. Thanks for your opinion!
@valeria1 (2721)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I think if you are hiding something is not good at all does not matter if it is called privacy or secrecy, just words! Now one thing I want to say is that for a relationship that is very bad because people will start to pull in things. What I mean is that feeling of almost being found out! Just go for honesty that fixes all!
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Silly me--so I guess that by being honest with my (now ex-) about my having two abortions PRIOR to us being engaged and the subsequent emotional abuse for the next ten years was more important than my need to keep two events private until I could to terms? I'd rather I'd have kept that private and NOT revealed something that he made me ashamed of.
@APPCHEM (113)
• Pakistan
27 Aug 08
there is no harm in privacy. everyone, no matter what age group needs privacy of their own. but secrecy is something different...its like hiding the truth. but again it depends if the secret is to be kept for a good reason then its harmless & if it is a lie, then it means you are cheating.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I'm a private, reserved person, but then I'm afraid of others laughing at me. The man I've been involved with has been keeping things from me, always with "I'll tell you when I'm comfortable"...its been nearly 5 that we've been intimate, but have been good friends for about seven. I think i have been more than patient at this point.
@playmateshorty (365)
• United States
27 Aug 08
they both are very dangerous, if not handled carefully. Theres a fine line between both.
in my opinion, you cant have one without the other. i dunno
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
2 Sep 08
I agree that both are very dangerous, and there is a very fine line. Thanks for responding!