How Much Is That Doggy In The Window???
By ellie333
@ellie333 (21016)
August 27, 2008 3:11pm CST
I have been searching for a puppy for about two months now but have been thinking about another dog since I moved from my flat to a house over two years ago amd have searched everywhere for what I call a mongrel, a mutt for not a lot of money, ideally I would like a labrador again but they are in excess of £400 ($800) but now the mongrels are now called labradooble (labrador and poodle) cross or spollie cross (spaniel and collie), WHAT? and they seem to be as much money. I have tried rescue centres but because I have a small garden and a young child they won't entertain the fact even though I would be giving a loving home. Have you ever had this problem, do you think designer dogs have gone too far, what happened to the days where a neighbour down the road had a litter for a minimal price cos their b*tch got pregnant by a stray? What dog do you think makes the best family dog? Ellie :D
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@keenie103 (4)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Try your local animal shelter. Alot of times they have labs come in and you pay only an adoption fee, which isn't that much. However, owning a dog takes alot of responsibility and money for proper care. You might want to take more time to think it over. Goodluck Labs are great!! I have 2 of my own.
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@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Keenie, Oh yes I have had two labs before and even in ripe old age one was like a puppy and full of fun, the other a bit of a grumpy old man at times but both wer my babies. In the UK though the rescue centres won't allow me one as I have a son who is four and a half and they won't house with children. I'm sure the right one will come along when the time is right. Ellie :D
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I hope that you are searching from animal shelters and not encouraging the use of puppy mills by buying from a pet shop. You can find all kinds of breeds by searching on line and save a life at the same time. I myself have bought full blooded pedigrees at an US organization called "Save-A-Life" for $100.00
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
28 Aug 08
UK laws do not allow you adopt a pet because you have 4 year old child??? Wow! Children and pets belong together if they are both raised/trained correctl.y
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@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hello Whiteheather, yes that was my first port of call but in the UK the rules and regulations are totally different and as I have a four year old I am unable to adopt so I am having to look in area areas, I am going to see a retreiver hopefully on Sunday who is 4 months old but needs rehoming for a geniune reason but someone else i going over before me so I except he will be gone. Ellie :D
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I know what you are saying, ellie. The S.P.C.A. will not allow you to adopt a dog if you have a child under the age of 5, at least that was the rule when I last adopted a dog (in the U.S.). Children can be aggressive with pets, running around fast, hugging too tightly, pulling tails, etc. This can frighten a dog, especially one who has been traumatized by going to the shelter and then put into a new, unfamiliar home. The shelter doesn't want any child to be harmed simply because the dog was freightened and may become aggressive.
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@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
28 Aug 08
well i prefer to adopt than to buy. it just seems the best choice for me. my logic is that animals in the pet shop will be fed no matter what. but the animals in shelters might get put to sleep if no one adopts them after a while.
a dog is a dog, no matter what breed they are. the more important thing is the bond between the human and the dog. we all know that dobermans are ferocious dogs. but we also know they are very loyal dogs. as long as the bond is there, the dog will never cause any harm to the human. cheers ;p
@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
29 Aug 08
hi TCL, so isn't it better if we just get the animals from the shelter? I am against buying from pet shops as this simply encourage irresponsible breeding. it also means the breeders are 'churning' out more animals to meet demands. i also prefer to patronise a shop that doesn't sell live pets. no surprise, my cats are all adopted. cheers ;p
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@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Applefreak, I would prefer to also but because I have a young son the centre will not allow me too so I am looking in aother areas, i is a committment from both the dog and the owner for life so I will bide my time until the right one comes along as it will become part of the family rather than just a dog. I have had a doberman that needing housing in the past, two labs and a collie but after my old labs passed on I have not had another dog but now feel its time to welcome another in. Ellie :D
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@TheCatLady (4691)
• Israel
28 Aug 08
Pet shops will dump those unsaleable pets pretty darn fast. They care more about the bottom line than the health and welfare of the animals. Many of those pet shop pets end up in the shelters when the buyer get tiered of their new toy.
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@littleowl (7157)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Ellie I have 2 bearded collie crossd with retriever /border collie they are lovely and ottp with affection I have alwys thought they were the best for the home and children they have such good temperaments too..a small dog am not sure about would stay clear of jack russells as they are tempermentle..I did have a kings charles spaniel they are lovely too
But do agree with you about these designer dogs things do seem to be getting out of hand with them..but the one thing that annoys me is the price of a rescue dog and how fussy they are about letting a dog go..to me if they know a dog is going to a loving caring home it doesn't matter how big or small the house is at least the dog will get the attention etc he/she needs..bless I really hope you can get one they are such good loyal friends and it is so lovely to open the door and get the welcome they give...love and Huggles littleowl x
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@littleowl (7157)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Ellie I may of replied twice to this discussion but all thesame I really think that the designer dogs of today is getting ridiculous I know a lady who has a Innuit and her sister has a labradoodle next year they are going to be mated..how do they know if it will be highly strung or what kind of problems health wise the dog may get..plus my friend is going to be selling the pups for £800 ...think what other useful things you can do with that money..Love and Huggles littleowl
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@tessah (6617)
• United States
28 Aug 08
dont really understand when a mongrel got turned into a "designer" dog. the term alone describes what they are.. a combination of a bunch of breeds that no one knows WHAT it is! ie.. a mutt. also dont understand where you having a garden has anything to do with you being able to have a dog. some dogs,. beause of documented behavioral problems that put them into a shelter in the first place, wouldnt be suitable around young children.. but you simply having a young child, shouldnt negate yer eligibility of having a dog. i think you need to check other rescues and shelters.. cause the one yer dealing with is wacked. my own personals on a good breed to have around kids? labs of any color.. golden retrievers.. and a few of the semi smaller type dogs like scotties and terriers. again.. no specific breed is either good nor bad.. it depends on the temperment of the individual animal specifically that determines that.
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@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Tessa, When I lived in Surrey I had two labradors and fostered for the labrador rescue, I had an enormous garden there but they were always taken out for a walk at least twice a day so agree does the size of a garden really matter that much, here now I have a small garden but I have two miles of beach and a massive common for them to run on. Children yes if they don't know the background of the dog you have to be wary. I think this 'designer dog' thing is pathetic too but it is stopping me from being able to get a resonably priced puppy because of these labels grrr. The rescue centres in the UK are all like this, since they bought the dangerous dogs act in and because of the amount of attacks on children, but you usually find reading behind the headlines that is was a human that was responsible for being drunk and putting a toodler with a dog that is used to guarding a yard and this makes me mad when I hear things like this. I have always put the dogs out if I have vistors who could be wary of them as dogs sense fear to. One will come along if I am supposed to have another eh! Huggles Ellie :D
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@DaddyOfTheRose (2934)
• United States
29 Aug 08
I get my dogs from the Humane society. They still cost money to adopt because the Humane Society does stuff when they get a new dog. As to strays or accidental pregnancy in dogs, that still happens. However, with better efforts to spay and neuter, that kind of stuff is less frequent. All and all, that's a good thing.
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@ellie333 (21016)
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29 Aug 08
Hi DaddyOfTheRose, Oh yes much better control in spay and neuter has helped reduce the number of unwanted puppies I agree and I would love to adopt but in UK there are such strict rules and as my son if four and a half they won't even consider me. Ellie :D
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@ellie333 (21016)
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29 Aug 08
Hi no it is not that but they conside a rescue dog with a child is a risk in case it bites them as there has been a lot of bad press recently but if a dog in a rescue centre has been used to children and other pets and the only reason it is there is because maybe the faily home split or something I feel it would be beter for them to rehome in a similar environment but they won't, cray as I have always had dogs and children together and would give an experienced lovely home and much needed home to one. Ellie :D
@DaddyOfTheRose (2934)
• United States
29 Aug 08
Wow, that does seem strict. I adopted Sophie when my daughter was like 2. I was going to be the one taking care of her, not the kid. I guess the adoption agencies in the UK don't want pets being returned if the kid decides he doesn't want a dog.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
28 Aug 08
The one with the waggily tail? No idea! lol. There are so many things to consider when buying a dog. Yard size, the age of your children, the size they end up when they are fully grown, any allergies family members may have etc..... For homes with kids I have heard many comments that Labradors and Golden Retrievers are very compatible; but they do also end up quite large and with a small garden this may not be wise. Designer dogs can definitely be good but in parallel they can be expensive as well! I am not sure if things have gone too far with designer dogs because with some of the breeds they have come up with they may actually be strengthening the overall health of the dog by combining the best of both breeds; but seeing as they are yet to be recognised as true breeds there can also be issues in regulating the industry. Given what you have said about your home I would recommend something like a poodle or any similar small dog. When I was a kid wee had a poodle and he was great with us. Especially when kids are concerned if the dog is small they will always consider it a puppy! Many kids LOVE a puppy but then seem to lose interest when the dog gets bigger and then it 100% becomes YOUR dog!
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@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Of course the one with the waggily tail! My ex-husband learnt to walk as a toddler by using his pet poddle to pull himself up on. When my girls were growing up we had two labs and they were great, a smaller house but a larger garden but I was out with them all the time anyway. Here I have a large enough house only the garden small but I have a large common nearby and two miles of beach so ample pace around for a larger dog. I get what you are saying about the losing interest factor but we are all animal lovers and my son feeds the fish and rabbits every morning as part of his daily routine bless so think he'll be ok. It is something I have been considering for over two years and was waiting really until my son was sensible enough not to prod, poke and pull too much on an animal as some kids do. I am sure the right one will appear at some stage but the prices are ridiculous here for any dog. Ellie :D
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@positiveminded1977 (7072)
• India
28 Aug 08
May I parcel a dog to you? There are heaps of dogs in India. Of course, high breed dogs such as German Shepherds are very costly. But mine is a nice sweet little hyperactive mongrel with more teeth in her head than brains. And I love her for the same reason. Yup, I could parcel a dog for you. The rescue home here has plenty of dogs, and they don't ask questions. If you want a dog, you get a dog. Spaying and neutering is free; so is vaccination. That's where I got my Tina from. :)
Cheers and happy mylotting
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
28 Aug 08
Hi ellie, I'm also thinking about adopting a dog, I already have two cats. I am going to check with the SPCA again on Monday, they have a dog there that I may be interested in. I really don't worry about the breed, but would want one that has already been spaded and had her needles. Blessings.
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@Annmac (949)
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29 Aug 08
I know exactly what you mean!
I like Retrievers and German Shepherds and I've had full bred and crosses of both. I think the crosses are excellent dogs! I used to have a collie lab cross and he was a great family pet. Nowadays that would be too energetic for me!
I always go to the 'breed' rescues first. I just think it's better to go to those who know the breeds well. However I think too many are turning away potential 'good owners' with their own ideas of what is 'right' for the dogs. We only got our latest Shepherd because we have a large open field just behind our house, and no longer have young children! The garden is very small!
As long as you can find the time to exercise the dog then the medium to large crosses are often better around children than the small or toy breeds. My children grew up with large breeds as did I!
I fully understand why the first 'Labradoodle' was created but I see no advantages to crossing other breeds. In some it's totally wrong! For example the Puggle! Whoever thought it was a good idea to cross a dog that hunts using it's nose (Beagle)with a lap dog that can't even breath (Pug) is a real puzzle! There are hundreds of dog breeds and for the average pet owner very little difference between one dog and another!
I do hope you soon find your 'perfect' dog. Good Luck!
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@ellie333 (21016)
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29 Aug 08
Hi Annmac, I can understand the young children factor but usually they do get dogs into these centres that are used to children and other animals hat could be housed successfully, the size of the garden factor annoys me as I have a two mile beach down the road and a massive common so crazy really. I love the labs as that is what I had been used to having but I hear what you are saying about a child being accidently knocked over by them, for a medium size dog though maybe a spaniel or a samller one I like cairn. The right one will turn up when its suposed to I guess eh! Thank you for the good luck wishes. I am going to see a retriever on Sunday if still available as someone else going before me to see. Ellie :D
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@TheCatLady (4691)
• Israel
28 Aug 08
The best dog depends on the family. I have a Cocker mix as my first dog. I wanted a dog to warn me if someone was there as I sleep like a log and am slightly hard of hearing.. She's perfect. She's a couch potato, but I know who is at the door by her different barks.
My second is a Canaan Dog Saluki mix. She was a foster dog that no one would adopt.
Rescues are notoriously picky on who gets a dog. Good for the dogs, but sometimes hard on loving adopters.
Try the RSPCA. They get every type of dog there is. Whatever the newest fad dog is, you can be sure they have tons that were dumped by people who don't realize dogs are a lot of work.
I would never place a dog or cat on Craigs List for adoption, but you might look there to find one. Tons of people use it to throw their pets away when they get tired of them.
And a rant Why can't we use the b word for female dog on most forums without censorship? It's the proper word and not a curse word.
@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hi TheCatLady, Totally different subject but slightly connected, I noticed your name and avatar so do you have both dogs and cats and which came first. I was told you can bring a dog into a cats home successfully but to bring a cat into a dog cause major upheaval so just wondered which way round you did it. I have never heard of Craigs list but will check it out. The RSPCA are the ones whose rules on the garden and the children apply but thanks for your help. Ellie :D
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Hi ellie, Honestly, I think any dog that you get will
make a good family pet. I believe in going to the pound
and looking at those sad faces and picking one that
looks at me with those "puppy dog eyes" and says "please
take me home"! I know that they say some breeds are better
tempered dogs for children, but I really don't know about
that. I think any dog that you give love to and treat well
will be a good pet if you train it from a puppy. I don't
think you need to pay all that money for a pedigree. Spend
the money on the puppy after you get it. That would be
a much better investment.
@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Opal, They won't even let you view the dogs at the pounds here in the UK without having been vetted first and their rules are so strict I can't so I will have to buy one but I don't want to pay an absolute fortune either. I am sure the right one will come along soon though. Ellie :D
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@babystar1 (4233)
• United States
28 Aug 08
I am sorry that you could not get a dog. I do not have a dog right now but my daughter does she has 3 pugs and a small Maltese. My daughter has two boys age 4 years and a 17 month old.The dogs are great with kids. Daughter had the pugs before the first baby was born.
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@PearlGrace (3171)
• United States
28 Aug 08
That's wonderful that you are hoping to find a dog. I have never owned a dog myself, as an adult. But we did have one when I was a child. I know practically nothing about dogs but I've had to research a few kinds to write internet articles about. It seems to me that you are on the right track with a Labrador, or at least a Labrador mix. They are supposed to be the best and most loyal dogs ever.
I agree with you. I think $800 is an awfully lot to spend on a pet, but here again, I haven't had pets for years. You'd think you could find someone that has puppies to sell cheaply. What about from the Humane Society? That's sort of like a rescue centre, I guess.
Here in the U.S. we have both--rescue centers and Humane Societies. Maybe they have different rules and you would be able to obtain a pet cheaply from your local Humane Society.
Good luck with this, Ellie.
@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hi PearlGrace, I had two labs when the girls were growing up and they were wonderful so that is ideally what I am looking for but these mixes have now become 'desginer dogs' and they want fortunes for them, crazy eh! One will come into our lives sonn though I'm sure. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@Fil918 (26)
• Mexico
28 Aug 08
Wow what happened to my message I just typed? I lost it. I do not know where you live but all over the world you can find animals (not the fine breeds) that people are always giving away free. Lately I have found two male dogs nearly in the door of my home that people have dropped. One I took to he Vet and he found a home for him, and the second was in front of my house for house when I leaving for a weekend trip very very early in the morning. I gave him cat food to have food to eat with hopes that someone passing would give him a home when it became daylight. Often in the newspaper people anounce of giving away pets. I know you can find one and probably for free.
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
28 Aug 08
It's unbelievable the rescue shelter would rather put a dog down than allow him to go to a family with a small garden and child! How ridiculous! A small garden is fine for a little dog, and he can be taken for walks anyway. I agree the new trendy dog breeds are ludicrous - and sometimes weaknesses are bred into the mixes which cause problems down the line. I really hope you can find a dear little dog to suit your needs, Ellie - maybe you could put some Wanted notices in your local shop windows?
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@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Guybrush, I am sure the right dog will come along, I am going to pop into the local vets to see if there are any there for sale on the board and put a wanted one up in the local shops, thanks for the suggestion. I just want a mongrel really none of these fancy breeds as they all seem to have their own set of health problems. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@baileycows (3665)
• United States
28 Aug 08
Do yall not have pounds in your area? We have them and you can get a dog for about 70 dollars. I can't believe yalls labs are so expensive. We just bought ours for 150, but they usually run about 300 around here.
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@Aziziphel (19)
• Canada
28 Aug 08
My family always had black labs. Our first one was a Lab mixed with retriever, he was very smart. We got a female black lab right after, she wasnt so bright around my grandfather, more like his second shadow.. he'd have a tail if he stopped to suddenly!!
@ellie333 (21016)
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28 Aug 08
Hi Azizphel, I had two labs too when my girls were growing up and now I have a house again rather than a flat I feel it is time to welcome another but I cannot find one anywhere, there is a retreiver available for $500 that is a maybe if the first person doesn't have on Sunday but still a lot of money eh! Ellie :D
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