Man convicted over Shia flogging in England
By revdauphinee
@revdauphinee (5703)
United States
August 27, 2008 4:11pm CST
Syed Mustafa Zaidi
Zaidi had denied child cruelty
A devout Shia Muslim has been convicted of child cruelty after forcing two boys to beat themselves during a religious ceremony, in an unprecedented case.
The jury at Manchester Crown Court found 44-year-old Syed Mustafa Zaidi guilty of two counts of child cruelty.
The boys, aged 13 and 15, were forced to beat themselves with a zanjeer whip, with five curved blades.
Zaidi, of Station Road, Eccles, Salford, also flogged himself during the ceremony in January.
The court heard the boys admit that they had wanted to beat themselves, but not under duress and not with the whip.
This is a part of our religion
Syed Mustafa Zaidi
How a Shia ritual ended in court
The Ashura ceremony takes place during Muharram, the first month of the Islamic calendar and commemorates the death of Husayn, a central figure in the Shia faith.
Zaidi admitted he allowed them to use the bladed whip, but denied his actions were wrong, saying: "This is a part of our religion."
A local Muslim leader Safdar Zia has said the community was now working with police and the Crown Prosecution Service on a code of practice for the Ashura practice.
"We cannot eliminate this practice, but we can and will work to a code of practice so that the children don't get hurt, the law isn't broken, and the people who do want to take part don't get prosecuted," he said.
"We have to take into account people's beliefs and their rights, and we will respect them.
"But we are not above the law and we never will be and working with the authorities is the best chance we've got to prevent any harm being brought against any children."
Zanjeer whip used in the ceremony
The boys suffered cuts from the zanjeer five-bladed whip
During the trial the 14-year-old boy, who was 13 at the time, said that during the ceremony Zaidi told them both: "Start doing it, start doing it."
The child told the court: "We said 'we don't want to do it'."
He said he saw Zaidi flogging himself before washing blood from the whip and handing it to the 15-year-old boy.
The boy said Zaidi continued to pressure the older teenager to whip himself.
He said the 15-year-old boy "swung it once or twice and said 'I don't want to do it anymore'."
Zaidi told the court: "It was an emotional time and the children were happy, they asked for it. No one forced anyone.
"If I'd known this would be the result of breaking the law I would never have done it."
This is a very unusual case and the first of its kind to be prosecuted by the
CPS in England and Wales
Carol Jackson, CPS
The boys both received multiple lacerations to their backs, mainly superficial, with several deeper cuts.
Supt Nadeem Butt, of Greater Manchester Police, said: Zaidi had "abused the vulnerability" of the children, gone against the wishes of his own community and broken the law.
Carol Jackson, of the Greater Manchester Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), said the prosecution "was not an attack upon the practices or ceremonies of Shia Muslims".
"Indeed, the prosecution relied as part of its evidence upon the president of the local Shia community centre," Ms Jackson said.
"We are satisfied that, given the age of the children involved, the coercion employed by Syed Mustafa Zaidi, who did not accept that he was wrong, and the possibility of such an incident occurring again, the decision to prosecute by the Crown Prosecution Service was the correct one.
"This is a very unusual case and the first of its kind to be prosecuted by the CPS in England and Wales."
Zaidi will be sentenced on 24 September.
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@danishcanadian (28953)
• Canada
27 Aug 08
Before responding to this discussion i researched the custom a bit, on the internet. It is sad and scary what some people do in the name of religion. People also need to realize that just like their homelands, other countries have laws too. Howcome some people think we need to obey them in their countries, but that they are above the law in ours? That's just not right!
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
28 Aug 08
they just dont care that we have laws!they only consider there own !and that is wrong!
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
28 Aug 08
It makes me wonder with such a barbaric practice, how the family courts did not step in sooner. And the boys felt that they were doing no wrong. It sort of reminds me of the flagellates who hit themselves with whips, but they stopped doing that. Now we have a people who force young children to hit themselves. So what happens if the boys do something wrong? No wonder that in those countries when you steal something you get your hand chopped up. A whipping let alone a spanking would do not good.
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@revdauphinee (5703)
• United States
28 Aug 08
thee people have no respect for the west or its laws but they expect respect from us???? Not from me my friend