A campaign promise I'd like to see
By Teyjattt
@Teyjattt (126)
United States
September 4, 2008 12:48pm CST
Myself and some of my coworkers were discussing politics during lunch and this idea came to me. Of course they all discounted it because it would never happen. Although I have to agree with them, I would still love to see it. My idea is this: A politician that promises change and promises to end bi-partisanship. And how will this politician do it? By stating up front, that he will veto any bill that comes to him that does not have 2/3 of the senate approving it. This will force the lawmakers to compromise better until they can come up with the 2/3 vote to get it passed, or to compromise with each other to get the 2/3 vote needed to override the president's veto. The president must vow to do this to even their own party. When/If nothings gets passed, then it is clearly the fault of ALL the lawmakers for bickering instead of working together. So would it work? Tell me what you think.
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@airnavigator (369)
• United States
5 Sep 08
I have a better suggestion. How about a President who promises to veto every bill passed by Congress and faithfully devotes two terms (8 years) to vetoing everything that Congress passes?
Robert Kiyosaki (author of "Rich Dad, Poor Dad") in his book "Cash Flow Quadrant" That the Federal Code (i.e., all of the laws passed by the Federal Government) now consists of more than 1.2 million pages and would take the average reader 23,000 years to read the entire code from cover to cover. Isn't that enough??? And this does not include the thousands of pages worth of laws passed by each state and each city in the U.S.
The fact of the matter is, is that when most bills finally wind their way through Congress they are a bi-partisan effort given that neither party has a sufficiently large majority to guarantee passage of any bill without the votes from members of the other party which are needed to offset the "No" votes of some of their own members who oppose the bill. Of course, in exchange for their vote for a given bill, each Senator and Congressman demands the right to slip in some pet project or cause that has nothing to do with the purpose of the original bill other than the fact that the item slipped into the bill would have no chance of passing on its own. Senator Harry Byrd (Democrat - West Virginia) uses his seat on the Senate Appropriations Committee to block any bill from going to the floor unless there is a piece of pork in it for West Virginia - this is why, buried with in the Homeland Security Act, is a clause appropriating funds to build a new Amtrack station in West Virginia's capital city, Wheeling. Doesn't the fact that there is a new Amtrack station in West Virginia (paid for with our tax dollars) make you feel safe from terrorist attacks? This is the kind of nonsense.
But it gets even worse. The fact is that Senators and Congressmen lend their names to bills and vote for or against them, the bills themselves are drafted by staffers who often insert things of their own in legislation. The result is that when a bill finally works its way through committees and each house approves a slightly different form of the bill, Congressmen, Senators and staffers get together and hammer out a compromise (with individual Congressmen, Senators and staffers all stuffing a few more totally unrelated things into it) and then present the bill, which now runs to thousands of pages, for a vote by both Houses of Congress and, when it passes, sends it to the President who, if it contains something he really wants, signs it into law. At this point, no one - no Congressmen, Senator nor President know what is in the bill other than the major item in its name and it is not until weeks later, after reporters for major newspapers like the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, etc. have taken the time to actually read the bill and report write stories about its contents, that Congressmen, Senators and the President find out what exactly they voted for and approved.
This is why we need fewer, not more laws and why we could really benefit by electing someone like Congressman Ron Paul (http://hubpages.com/_shamrocks/hub/ron_paul_the_overlooked_Republican_presidential_candidate) who generally votes against everything, including his own pay raises.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Sep 08
Yeah, Congress is one of the only places where people can vote to give themselves a pay raise. I didn't support his run for president because I do have some serious disagreements with him, but the winner, hopefully McCain, really needs to listen to him as he has some ideas that are far beyond anything that the rest of the do nothing congress could ever come up with.
@Teyjattt (126)
• United States
4 Sep 08
If we (I mean us mere common folk) had more of a voice, we could ask them ourselves without having to pass a law for it. In all honesty, I wish I had the time to do more research and ask these politicians about that. Not just the president though. Did Obama/McCain fulfill the promises they made when they got elected to Senator? That's some fact checking I would LOVE to see.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Sep 08
In theory your idea may sound nice, but it would be horrible in practice. The result would be that the already "do nothing congress" would do even less. It would end with more finger pointing and more accusations than before. They can barely get anything by with 51% of the votes. 66% would be nearly impossible. The only bills they'd pass would be to give themselves raises and better benefits.
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
4 Sep 08
As I read this, I wondered what I had forgotten about what I learned about the government back in high school and college. (It's been a long time ago!) So I found this site that explains how a bill is passed:
http://www.votesmart.org/resource_govt101_02.php
I imagine that to have this changed, we'd have to have all these guys agree to it. A bill would have to be passed to change how bills are passed.
I doubt that will happen.
@Teyjattt (126)
• United States
4 Sep 08
I wasn't suggesting changing how a bill is passed. I'm suggesting that if the President gets a bill, and it was passed by less than 2/3 majority, he vetos it regardless of what party supported it. This will force lawmakers to get together and put together a bill they can agree on to get the 2/3 needed to override the veto. Of course it comes to the president already with 2/3 majority then there is no point in a veto as it will already have the number of votes need to override. No laws need to be changed. The president can veto a bill for any reason as far as I understand. Let him veto it because they are being partisan.