What are they going to do about unemployment?
By coffeebreak
@coffeebreak (17798)
United States
September 7, 2008 8:52pm CST
I've been watching and trying to keep up and follow, but seem to have missed something.
What does EITHER candidate, McCain or Obama say they plan to do to provide jobs since unemployment is at an extreme high right now? I have not heard anything specifics, yeah the chatter about "helping unemployment" or "helping the working man" but neither has said any specifics as to where they were going to find the jobs or how they are going to create new ones, who the jobs will target and at waht salary...
Anyone have any comments or web sites about this?
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13 responses
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Sep 08
The fact is, with all the finger pointing and rhetoric about employment, the president has very little to do with it.
Prs. Clinton bragged about his great unemployment rate, but really not much of what he did contributed to it. Conservatives like to say that it was Reagan's policies that did it... but again, he had some effect, but not much.
What people fail to realize is that jobs aren't "created"... they are a by-product of success and growth in a company. Why is the unemployment rate going up lately? Because we aren't spending our money like we have been since the 80s, so there isn't enough business to support the same number of jobs.
The most the president or Congress can do to promote job growth is to promote business growth. That doesn't mean rubber stamp everything businesses want to do, because that can lead to losses also... as we are seeing with the banking and loan industry right now.
Actually, the city and state governments have the most influence on the job market, but we leave them alone as if it's the President's job to do everything.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Sep 08
We tried that kind of protectionism with the Auto industry, the outcome was the US auto industry making terrible cars that we didn't want. On the other hand, now that car companies in America are getting the word out that they actually listened, we're seeing better cars made in the US.
We still have a lot of factories here in the US, but most Americans don't notice their products because most of them don't manufacture things priced for Wal-Mart and other "big boxes". Things priced for people in the lower income levels are made in other countries because manufacturers can't make them in the US then sell them for that low a price.
Should the lower classes not be able to afford anything just so we can tell manufacturers to produce more using US labor?
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
9 Sep 08
Yes you have a point, but my question was - what is either candidate planning to do to curb unemployment and give us medium to low income wager earners a job?
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
8 Sep 08
You are totally correct. Jobs are created by product production. Since we import most everything we have, all we are doing is putting other countries to work and not ourselves. Yes, the pres can only do so much but they can stop imports and put American to work making the same thing. Let other countries import from USA for a change. He can stop allowing companies to hire illegal aliens to do that same job at 10 times less pay. That'd be a fanstastic start of a LOT of jobs! Throw in that local governments do the same and a LOT more jobs could be created!
@sudalunts (5523)
• United States
8 Sep 08
I have no idea. I wonder what kind of jobs would be created, since so many companies are laying off. I was laid off from my job almost three months ago. I have not found work that would pay a descent salary. I know when you need a job, you should not be too picky, but I am not going to accept a job that is paying less than my unemployment insurance. As it is, my unemployment does not even cover my rent. I would love to know about any possible employment. I do not know of any specifics concerning employment, but my eyes and ears are open.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
8 Sep 08
Been in your shoes more times than I care to have to remember. I know what you are going through. I had my husband on Monster.com for 5 years and never found a single job. He finally had to go out of state to get a job (we're in CA)
@pmenard (139)
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9 Sep 08
Monster is aweful. Did you know that job headhunters will submit the same resume in triplicate. Your resume is lost. Try to find a position by making personal contact. Find a company that you would like to work for and let them know that you are interested in their business. After creating a relationship with them - get them to ask you for a job.
@zydecokitten (451)
• United States
8 Sep 08
Obama is going to penalize companies that move jobs out of the country by taxing them. I think he may do the reverse for companies that bring jobs back. Do not quote me on the second sentence though.
I have never been in agreement with Bush that there are certain jobs that Americans will not do so that they can be sent out of the country. I call my bank and the Customer Service people are in India. Those jobs should be in the USA. Having hired people for over 35 years, I know that people will do anything to get work if they are unemployed.
I am more concerned about adults who have responsiblities for their families getting jobs than 16 year olds who are still in school.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
8 Sep 08
Zydecokitten - you are right about those customer service jobs being our of the contry. Hewlett Packard has theirs in India. I called with a service problem on my PC and we went on for 3 hours! While waiting for the PC to do what it was supposed to do, we chatted and the guy said he was in INdia. Why wasn't that job here in USA? HE said cause it is cheaper to have it out of USA. You are totally right - those kinds should be brought back here.
@evanslf (484)
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8 Sep 08
If a president was serious about improving jobs for Americans, he would vigorously promote free trade to expand trading across the world thus giving more jobs to americans.
Free trade has its problems (ie US jobs going abroad) but it has its considerable benefits as well as it can generate much new business and hence new jobs. In the 30s, the world leaders reacted to difficult times by putting up ever higher and higher tarriffs, but the only outcome of these was to deepen the depression even further.
Now that America is once again in economic trouble, we should learn from history and try to widen and deepen free trade, and urgently restart the Doha round that has failed recently.
I am not a McCain supporter, but to be fair to him, he has been outspoken in his support of free trade, a courageous stance in view of the opposition to it from workers in the key rustbelt states.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
8 Sep 08
Good question. My son has been looking for a job since the day he turned 16. A full year later he still wants to work but still no job.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
8 Sep 08
No fast food. That was my decision. I don't want him tempted spend his paycheck at work and as he discovered food late he's still making up for it.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
8 Sep 08
There's never much of a choice for teens - fast food or retail. That's the way it's always been.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
8 Sep 08
McCain's plan to NOT over tax companies will keep the ones already in existence here and tax incentives will help create more companies and provide more jobs.
But what I loved about his plan has to do with people already on unemployment. He said that if a person would take a lessor paying job, AND commit to being re-trained in another field or occupation, then he would see that their pay was supplemented to more match what they had been earning while in training. I think that's fantastic.
What's odd about our country, is that there are pockets of really bad (no jobs) areas and other places where there are more jobs than people. I think they should also offer incentives for people who will move, rather than staying in areas with high unemployment.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
9 Sep 08
Hadn't heard that but at least it is something hopeful!
@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
8 Sep 08
www.issue2008.com/campaign/issues/jobs-unemployment-issues
In a nutshell, Obama has expressed support for a second economic incentive package that would include extending unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed and create jobs in part by releasing funds for road and bridge building and repair. He voted for raising the minimum wage to $7.25 in both 2005 and 2007, believes that minimum wage should be a living wage, and that employers should not interfere in union organizing.
McCain voted to restore farm support prices in 1996, for allowing workers to choose between OT and comp time, for the repeal of ergonomic regulations that Bush said placed an enormous financial burden on business, but which OSHA said would reduce workers comp claims by billions of dollars, against raising the minimum wage to $7.25 in 2005 and for it in 2007, and against restricting employers from interfering in union organizing. He is on record as opposing a second economic incentive package.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
8 Sep 08
I still don't see any jobs - okay a few if you are qualified to build a road or bridge, but what about the rest of us? and since that is alot of hard physical labor, it won't do much for unemployed women
And extending unemployment, okay fine for short term intermission, but what's the point if he doesnt' have any jobs to give the people when they run the term of their unemployment? They raise minimum wage, but so what if there are no jobs to offer it in the first place? I mean, I don't see McDonalds hiring many if mini wage goes up - odds are they will just lay some off, raise the wage for those left and the ones left will have to work twice as hard, and customers will have to wait twice as long.
A second economic incentive package, if like the first one...won't do muhc. I got $600. It paid for my 2 cars yearly registration. Then it was gone. Yes, it helped me a little bit, but I don't see it helped the economy much. I folowed that quite closely and many just saved it, others paid things like rent or on a credit card balance. Seldom did I hear of any of it going back into the economy. Just wasn't enough to make a difference. ANd since in 2009 when we file 1040's, if we get a refund, we have to deduct that $600 from what is owed to us, so where has it helped the economy and why would another one help us?
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
8 Sep 08
It's not that the women are dainty it is that the men won't hire a woman for that kind of job. Throw in the fact, I have been in construction for 30 years - it dont' take that many "employees" to do things. Everyone thinks a row of 20 track homes will employee an army of workers - it doesn't. 2-3 plumbers can plumb all 20 houses in about a week. SAme with the rest of the trades. Throw in that the women are the ones that are often working mothers - they are limited as to time - can't get the kids to school until 7:30 earliest but construction jobs start at 7 and there is comute time.. and they get off after the kids get out of school so throw in the cost of day care if they can find it. for after school, and add the tax increase you are talking about and welfare would pay them more.
And still - okay a few go back to work building roads and bridges - there are so many more unemployed ...what about the rest of them? And once the roads are built, the workers are back in the unemployment line. IN construction, they don't keep you around. When the job is done, so are you. Yes, some hire back when they get new work, but until then you are on unemployment. I know what I'm talking about - my family has had to live like this for 30 years following construction jobs. My husband has been unemployed for 10 years - and had to go out of state to get a job. I can't follow cause I have to do day care for my 2 grand children (for free) cause neither of my kids can afford day care at minimumy $200 a week...which would be $800 a month. that's half their paychecks.
No offense, but building a few bridges and roads and raising taxes is not going to solve the unemployment problem. ANd through in the older people - a construction style job is not going to hire a 50 year old man to go shovel gravel. There are "legal"ways around age descrimination. I have seen them in action.
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@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
8 Sep 08
The first "economic stimulus package" was a total joke, and I completely agree that it did so little for the economy it might as well have done nothing. The package that the Republicans are opposing won't put $600 in your pocket, it will put people to work - yes, building roads and bridges, and doing other work that needs doing. I know plenty of women who would happily shovel gravel and tar, and are fully capable of doing that, but even if you believe that women are too dainty to do manual labor there are many other support jobs that will need filling. Of course, funding for those jobs would have to come from tax increases of one sort or another - but the salaries paid with those funds would be taxed, would allow people to pay their rents and mortgage payments, get them off food stamps, allow them to buy things and buying things is what stimulates the economy. That was supposed to be the result of the economic stimulus package that did get passed - but with the economy as bad as it is, few people took their share of the pie and bought a Wii - they paid a bill.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
9 Sep 08
I have not heard anything about it either, the only thing that I can see them doing is creating more jobs.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
8 Sep 08
oops, this was suposed to go here:
A few points that stand out on what was mentioned of Obama's plans.
first, State and road jobs federaly funded, are generaly state highways and bridges, nessesary infastructure but the work is usualy done by state crews. sO in essence, it may keep the existing state crews busy, but it really doesn't do much in itself to create new jobs.
Also, INCRREASING the minimum wage doesn't create jobs, it may make current jobs higher paying but it also creates higher labor cost for current employers who then may offset the cost by cutting jobs or the number of hours worked by employees so it is actualy in effect, decreasing the number of jobs and work hours.
The employment benefits have already been increased a few months ago, the federal 13 year extension wsa signed by the president and is in swing now for those who have expired their regular benefits. Still, this isn't job creation, it's lack of jobs compensation.
Unions. I will go anecdotal on this one...a trucking compnay in my area a while ago was in financial trouble. It was unionized. The company went to the workers and asked if they would take a 3% pay reduction to try and help keep the company alfoat. Well, the union screamed and rioted. no pay cut taken, the company went broke 4 months later and they were ALL out of work, how much money were they making now? How many jobs did that union create?
Again we see the answer from Obama being more government.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
8 Sep 08
coffeebreak yes I sure do, help help help my son is out of work for the third week and we got a three day notice, and no money to pay the rent, yes we need help and a lotof others are in the s ame boat. so lets see some real help some working out jobs for us now not six months from now or a year. pretty words dont mean diddley squat.
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@mikeysmom (2088)
• United States
8 Sep 08
to be honest i do not hold out much hope of either candidate changing much of anything. it will be more of the same either way. a president, afterall, is only a figure head. he has to have the backing of congress to get anything passed so......
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
8 Sep 08
YOu're right there. THing is, very few of those people in the congress and house and all have never had to work for a living and the few that have, its been so long ago, they forgot how it was!
@baileycows (3665)
• United States
9 Sep 08
All I have really heard is that McCain will join Obama as to extended unemployment payments. But he did make this statement at one point or another.
McCain said in a statement: "Americans are hurting and we must act to create jobs. Unfortunately, while millions of Americans are gathering around the kitchen table and questioning how they can keep their homes, pay their medical bills and afford their children’s education, Washington has failed to act. As I promised last night, I will fight for those that lost their jobs, savings, and real estate investments. Some Americans have been left behind in the changing economy, and it often seems your government hasn’t even noticed. We must prepare every worker for the jobs of tomorrow. We will use our community colleges to help train people for new opportunities in their communities. As President, I will enact a Jobs for America economic plan that creates jobs, helps small businesses, expands opportunities and opens markets to American goods. Washington must stand beside the American people, not in their way.
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@darlenelove (80)
• Philippines
8 Sep 08
not yet but this is a start. i know everyone also thinks like you. it seems like a hopeless situation that every politicians always say there's a plan but never realized.
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
8 Sep 08
A candidate would sure get more votes if they'd tell what they are going to do instead of just throwing out a bunch of words. I watched Obama with Bill O'Reilly and boy he can slather on the words, but I didn't get a thing out of what he said! And McCain hasn't done anything like that yet (or at least I haven't seen it) , so I haven't heard from him.
@Sam334 (125)
• Singapore
8 Sep 08
Well I must say that many opportunities weren't available for most people...
For people looking for jobs, what they really need are opportunities, and chance... What you need to do is to keep going out, and meet more people. The opportunity comes naturally when you meet more people.
Almost every successful people I know became successful because they had opportunity! Many of them got them by pure luck, some through ridiculous miracle such as walking around and got scouted, then introduced to the media!
IMO, unemployment isn't the government's problem alone.
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
9 Sep 08
No it isn't just the gov't problem, but like you said - opportunity and chance - those are the things that are against us and we have no control over. Just going out and meeting people isn't going to get you a job. When I was looking, I knew tons of people and most with good jobs, own businesses etc - and they all knew I was unemployed, had kids to support and needed a job and not one of the offered me a job.
Used to be what you knew, then in the 80's changed to who you knew. In the 90's it was how little you would work for, now in the "new" millenium, it's about how much you "multi-task" and for how small a salary. Multi-tasking is just a buzz word that means, do the job of 3 people for the salary of one.