Palin Billed Taxpayers For Nights Spent at HOME!!
By anniepa
@anniepa (27955)
United States
September 9, 2008 6:59pm CST
She didn't need the private jet, so she put it on e-Bay but she still charged Alaskan taxpayers a per diem allowance for 312 nights spent in her own home in Wasilla and her husband and daughters also charged the state for travel expenses.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-perdiem9-2008sep09,0,767082.story?track=rss
"Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a per diem allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.
The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. Her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.
Palin, who earns $125,000 a year, claimed and received $16,951 as her allowance, which officials say was permitted because her official "duty station" is Juneau, according to an analysis of her travel documents by the Washington Post.
The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel, the documents show. Many of the trips were to and from their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away."
She even charged the state a per diem for working Thanksgiving Day in 2007; reportedly the reason was for the the Great Alaska Shootout, an annual NCAA college basketball tournament held in Anchorage. I guess Alaskans can take solace from the fact that Palin rarely sought reimbursement for meals while staying in Anchorage or Wasilla. What a Maverick - she pays for her own meals...lol!
Any thoughts on this or anything you'd like to add?
Annie
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@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
10 Sep 08
Palin is not a good VP choice. She "saved" money by dropping the bridge project, but then her budget ended up being MORE than the previous Governor. How is that saving money?
She also has tried to get wolves killed off, doesn't give a darn about the endangered Polar Bears and thinks it is a good idea to drill in the Wildlife Refuges; talk about being in with big oil.........
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
11 Sep 08
In the 1950s there were 500 polar bears partly due to hunting. In 1973 the Oslo pact was signed and now there are like 23,000 polar bears. Granted, they are on the watch list for endangered species but why put them on an endangered list so that we can't drill for oil? We need energy. The price of gas is what is putting the economy in the dump right down.
Wolves are predators and kill the caribou. There are some caribou herds that are in trouble and predators like wolves kill the caribou. If food gets really scarce they will attack people and ranch animals and pets. It's a necessity to thin out their population.
Do you work? Do you drive a car? Do you heat a home? I think we need oil and not from foreign sources. We give them money for oil and they buy weapons to use against us. Doesn't make much sense to me. We need to become more energy independent. Drill for oil now and continue research into alternate kinds of energy.
@Sarah1108 (310)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I am sure you heard that she supported the bridge to nowhere until she was elected then all of the sudden changed her mind on the bridge.
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@Sarah1108 (310)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I am not shocked to read this. I find it to be kinda funny. she claims she saved so much for the people of Alaska then a report like this comes out. maybe i am reading it wrong by why if you have 16,951 you can get to and from work. I live on a pretty tight budget right now and i could get 600 miles on less then 16,951. i could even make that trip a few hundred times. I might also add the jet she put on ebay did not sell. So i am really unsure why she would even bring it up. She knew people were going to look into it and let everyone know that they jet sold way under price. even though Mccain said the jet turned a profet.
@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
10 Sep 08
I read an article - I believe last week - on CNN or FoxNEws that talked about her "savings". Apparently she canceled the bridge to nowhere saving millions, but then used that money for other things that are not as important and her budget ended up in the billions. Much higher than any previous governor.
She is also in with big oil and not worried about the environment. As soon as she got on the ticket with McCain she started changing her views on some of these topics, but who wants a wishy washy VP?
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
11 Sep 08
Better question:
Who wants a wishy washy president? I'm talking about Obama.
@webeishere (36313)
• United States
10 Sep 08
I had read she did not sell the jet on EBay.
I also heard she did not sell it for a prfit either.
So she cost the taxpayers money there.
HAPPY POSTINGS FROM GRANDPA BOB !!~
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
11 Sep 08
She didn't say she sold it on eBay. She said she put it on eBay. Which she did list it on there three different times and it didn't sell. So they hired a broker to sell it and an Alaskan business man bought it for over 2 million dollars.
Not only did the former governor use the plane but they also used it to transport prisoners and it cost around $1,600 per prisoner. Since selling the plane and using another way to transport prisoners it only costs the state $800 per prisoner.
So, yes, she saved the tax payers money.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Sep 08
Yeh, I was a bit alarmed at this at first too, but a government spokesperson from Alaska has already said these were legitimate expenditures, many because she lived 600 miles from work. I Have to admit, it was a let down for me at first, I thought maybe someone had dug up something legitimate. Anyway, it's already old news and has been given the green light.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Sep 08
OK, it's legitimate for this person who loves to brag up how much money she saves her taxpayers to charge them to sleep in her own bed. They've agreed for her to work mostly from an office in Anchorage so why would she be able to charge expenses for staying in her own home forty miles away?
Annie
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@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
11 Sep 08
Good line, Taskr. And it's only good enough when a liberal does it. If Obama had anything like this on his record they would only be highlighting the part about HIM SAVING money. OH that's right he probably DOESN't have anything like this on his record. NOW I know why they are PO'd.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
10 Sep 08
LOL A discussion like this was already deleted today, I hope yours isn't. It seems very Maverick like to pay for your own meals huh? When I worked for our county school board the county wouldn't even pay for the employees lunches when they were forced to be out of town for the day. Did you read that part that they allow state employees to stay in a hotel room that is under $300 a night? Geeze our county employees had to stay somewhere that was under $70 lol. But, Palin and McCain they still walk on water, I don't care what you say lmao
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Sep 08
"I was merely pointing out that some agencies have common sense when it comes to wasteful spending."
So travel expenses and per diems are wasteful spending? Sorry, their standard practice in almost every major industry.
"I also liked how he tried to compare working for a corporation to a state position. That's not exactly a simple task. Actually it's pretty much grasping. "
I said: "When I attend conferences representing my library I am given a per diem for food and my travel expenses are covered. When I worked for Universal Studios I was actually put up in luxury hotels for out of state jobs and given a nice per diem."
The library is not a corporation. It's a government job just like the job of Governor. My salary is paid largely by tax dollars and any traveling I do on library business is paid for by tax dollars as are conferences and workshops I attend. I used my experience at Universal Studios to demonstrate that this is common practice in both public, and private industries. I don't know how you can say I was grasping when I clearly opened with my library experience which is a government institution supported by taxpayer dollars.
"States don't try to make profits and corporations do try to make huge profits."
That type of thinking will guarantee budget deficits. Costs aren't stagnant. You can't budget to break even or you guarantee you will lose money. States who don't try to make profits are states that don't want to grow. When a bridge collapses in Minnesota, if they aren't making a profit, then instantly they go into debt because there was no money remaining in their budget to deal with an unforeseen catastrophe.
Sarah Palin gave Alaska a budget surplus and that surplus allowed her to do things a "break even" state could never dream of. With that money she was able to give back to the taxpayers to offset high gas prices.
"But, my county is pretty much a Democrat area and I guess that may have something to do with that."
Yes, that may very well have something to do with your situation. Your school board won't even pay for lunches when you were forced to be out of town and I'd hardly say that's something to be proud of. Government institutions should really treat their employees better than that. Turnover is a very expensive cost for both private and public organizations. I can assure you the cost of lunch for every teacher in your school is much lower than than the cost to hire one new teacher.
@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
11 Sep 08
"...they allow state employees to stay in a hotel room that is under $300 a night?"
HAHA I'd love to see Obama stay in a $300 a night hotel.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
10 Sep 08
If you read taskr post, I wasn't blaming Palin for the employees of my county. I was merely pointing out that some agencies have common sense when it comes to wasteful spending. But, my county is pretty much a Democrat area and I guess that may have something to do with that. I also liked how he tried to compare working for a corporation to a state position. That's not exactly a simple task. Actually it's pretty much grasping. States don't try to make profits and corporations do try to make huge profits. Oh well there are some conservatives that will blindly follow.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Sep 08
All the charges were made while conducting official business Annie. You should know as well as anyone that when you are working, you should get paid. Most jobs provide travel expenses so I don't see why it should be any different for a governor. When I attend conferences representing my library I am given a per diem for food and my travel expenses are covered. When I worked for Universal Studios I was actually put up in luxury hotels for out of state jobs and given a nice per diem. Universal of course passed that expense on to the company contracting us.
Compare that $16,951 to the monthly mortgage payments on the governor's mansion that she chose not to stay in. She stayed home and saved the taxpayers money. Her travel costs were a fraction of what the previous mayor amassed while using his private jet. Per Diems are standard when doing a job outside of your regular work location. Most jobs provide that although I know school teachers typically get screwed as Zephyr mentioned. Still, Zephyr doesn't live in Alaska so she can't blame Palin for her school's budget.
Annie, your story might matter if her state was struggling, but it's quite the opposite. They have a budget surplus, and are getting $1200 to deal with high gas prices. All those expenses combined are nothing when compared to the millions in budget surplus she's generated.
I wonder if Obama will be transparent with how he is using the tax payer dollars spent on him. I'm willing to bet he uses a lot more taxpayer dollars on travel than Palin does and his state is a whole lot smaller.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Sep 08
So you're saying the governor's residence isn't being used at all? Well then explain where she stayed the other 400 or so nights since she billed the state for 312 nights? Getting paid for the travel back and forth isn't the issue, don't you get that, it's her getting reimbursed for SLEEPING in her own home, NOT working there. That's a pretty clever use a smoke and mirrors - cut your own salary but then makeit so you live for just about nothing. Also, her claim about firing the chef was also bogus because the chef just had a change of job title but still cooks for the family.
Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Sep 08
"So you're saying the governor's residence isn't being used at all? Well then explain where she stayed the other 400 or so nights since she billed the state for 312 nights?"
Do more research on it. I don't know. I'm not her keeper. Maybe she didn't write off every single time she slept in her own home. The fact is, it's still a valid expense which is why there's no meat to your arguments.
"Getting paid for the travel back and forth isn't the issue, don't you get that, it's her getting reimbursed for SLEEPING in her own home, NOT working there."
Which is why I pointed out that if she wasn't being reimbursed for sleeping at home, she'd be using much more taxpayer dollars sleeping in the governor's mansion.
"That's a pretty clever use a smoke and mirrors - cut your own salary but then makeit so you live for just about nothing."
Governors always live for nothing if they are living in the governor's mansion. It's just like the presidents who live for less than nothing when they are in the White House.
"Also, her claim about firing the chef was also bogus because the chef just had a change of job title but still cooks for the family."
Now for that I'd have to see some proof since I've never heard anyone dispute her claim about firing the chef. Her speech was picked apart and every statement analyzed by fact-checkers and yet nobody said a word disputing that claim.
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
10 Sep 08
OK, did you read the whole artocle or cut out the part you wanted people to see? Palin billed the state for most expenses allowed by law, include per diem when she stated in her own home. Her duty station was the state capital of Juneau. She didn't bill the state for other expenses when she could have done so lawfully, as per diems for her children and she spent a lot of less on expenses than did her predecessor.
OMG! She charged for work she did at home! Ooh ... evil.
Here's the rest of the article.
[i]Leighow said many of the hundreds of invitations Palin received included requests for her to bring her family.
Leighow noted that under state policy, all of the governor's children were entitled to per diem expenses, even her infant son.
"The first family declined the per diem [for] the children," Leighow said. "The amount that they had declined was $4,461, as of Aug. 5."
The family also charged for flights around the state, including trips to Alaska events such as the start of the Iditarod dog-sled race and the Iron Dog snowmobile race, a contest Todd Palin has won fourtimes.
Gov. Palin has spent far less on personal travel than her predecessor: $93,000 on airfare in 2007, compared with $463,000 in 2006 by Frank Murkowski.[/i]
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Shhh! This isn't about the truth! It's about providing just enough information to make Sarah Palin look bad. You're ruining it for the liberals!
Seriously Piasabird, they NEED this. It's all they've got. Obama led McCain for months the same way Clinton was leading him. What happened to Clinton when she lost her lead?
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Sep 08
That's the part they're not getting or don't want to get! She billed the state for "lodging" when it was in her own house. She still has the governor's mansion, as far as I know, because obviously she didn't stay in her own home every night. I get it, a bank robber that only robbed one bank isn't nearly as bad as one that robbed four...lol!
Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Sep 08
The state would be paying for her to live in the governor's mansion if she wanted to. Instead, the state is paying for her to live in her own home and they aren't paying for it every single day as they would in the governor's mansion. I don't know how anyone could fail to realize how much money she's saving taxpayers by staying in HER home, instead of the governor's mansion. Jesse Ventura did the exact same thing as governor. I think it actually pissed the former governor off there because it made him look bad.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
10 Sep 08
No one has yet to come up with any documentation to prove this.
@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
11 Sep 08
Where have you been? an accusation is all they need, "they don' need no stinkin' documentation."
@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
10 Sep 08
If you're in a priveleged position where you can claim for things, why not ?
I agree its not the most honest thing but if you're allowed to do it, why not ?
The people who approve her expense claims are the ones to tell her she can't claim.
Or maybe the system in use allows for this.
Claiming for things actually done is not dishonest, by the way, once you are allowed to claim them.
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@mscott (1923)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Isn't it true that she actually took less then the previous administration did? As much as 80% less? isn't it true that she lived at home instead of running up a bill in a private governors mansion? Isn't it true that she got the Alaska people an additional 12oo dollar rebate check? isn't it true that she could have by law taken money for her kids who lived in the house as well but didn't?
I love how people see news stories and just believe everything they say. Yet they fail to look at the other side or dispute the faults of their own candidates. All this being said by someone who isn't a republican. I am just tired of people "digging" for ridiculous dirt without reporting the whole truth, and worse people falling for it.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Stop spreading lies! She's evil! She will force you to make babies and and marry big oil! She's never made anyone in Alaska happy. [/sarcasm]
Thank you for pointing out the truth of the matter. I can't wait till someone looks into how much money Obama gets for being at home, or for taking vacations.
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@banadux (630)
• United States
10 Sep 08
It sounds reasonable to me. If her husband really was doing government work it makes sense that they would pay for travel. I know that businesses compensate by paying for hotels, gas, airplanes, meals, etc. I don't see anything shadey about what was in this post. While you can get a good deal on plane tickets if you are traveling on short notice which I imagine a lot of a governors travel is you probably get less than the best deals. I would also image that Palin was not personally the one shopping for her travel and accomodations, but probably a secretary or some other staff responsible for that sort of thing. It's also not unreasonable to claim money for using your home as part of your business. I've considered adding that into my yearly tax deductions when my secondary home business brings in enough money to justify the extra work.
@2minicoopers (239)
• United States
10 Sep 08
So what if she did, it's not illegal! If we can write off travel expenses for our business why can't she? Please come up with something with some real truth and meat to it next time.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Sep 08
This IS true and if you don't care if something is ethical or not just because it's technically legal, that's your prerogative entirely. Travel expenses are one thing but when she's sleeping in her own home she is NOT traveling, what's so complicated about that? She still has access to and apparently uses the governor's mansion some of the time since she only claimed 312 nights at her house and she claims to have fired the chef at the mansion. The fact there is the chef is still cooking for her and her family, her officially title just isn't "chef" anymore.
If it looks like a duck...
Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Ok Annie, allow me to debunk your claims regarding the chef. First, Palin's words
"And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef — although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending — by request if possible and by veto if necessary."
And now, some proof to back up those words.
"And the decision to downsize chef time at the Governor's Mansion will save $45,000 between salary and benefits, Stapleton said.
In an e-mail to friends and colleagues Thursday, Marnon said, "Friday will be my last day at the house, but I will still be employed with the state.""
http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/9090479p-9006523c.html
Looks to me like the downsizing of the chef alone was almost as much as all her travel and lodging expenses you mentioned.
@2minicoopers (239)
• United States
10 Sep 08
Well look at Obama, he likes to kill babies and your worried about money, talk about things being legal and ethical