Poverty VS. Education
By blogs86
@blogs86 (370)
Philippines
11 responses
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
14 Sep 08
Formal Education is not the answer to poverty. It can be used as a tool a person can use to pull themselves up out of poverty. Laziness is most often the cause of poverty. The desire to get out of or stay out of poverty is mostly instilled in a child in the home by their parents. If the desire isn't there the education will do no good.
I have seen a lot of kids work their way up out of poverty but they did it with hard work and planning. I have also seen kids that had a good education sit on their hands and be content to live in poverty. They were too lazy to work and education will not change that.
My first wife's brother was a good example of what an uneducated person could do if they have the desire to do it. He was from a really poor family. He only had a 6th grade education. He first went to work with his dad on the farm but he wanted more. When he was about 18 I got him a job with me in refrigeration. He put everything he could into learning the field. He worked for the company for about 5 years. All this time he was getting an on the job education and buying up tools he could use in the business. He and I ran a part time service for commercial refrigeration at night and on weekends. Several times we have worked all night and then be on our day job at 7 AM.
This was a very hard route to take but it took us both where we wanted to go. By the time he was 30 he owned his own company that was totally paid for and it was making him around a $1/2 million a year. This all started from a $1.75 per hour job. This tells me if this man can do this in this area then anyone else anywhere else could do the same thing.
The drive needed to get you out of poverty and keep you out is the only thing that will do the job. If you don't have that drive and a willingness to work your back side off then all the formal education in the world isn't going to help you.
1 person likes this
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
15 Sep 08
It was my wife's brother but any lady can do this just as quick as any man. It is as simple as setting a goal and obtaining the information that will take you to that goal. Formal education can help in this but actual on the job training is the most effective.
@blogs86 (370)
• Philippines
15 Sep 08
yup the truth hurts..laziness leads "directly" to poverty..if we focus on one thing we could achieve anything no matter what is your status in the society, whether poor or rich..btw I'm inspired by your brother's wife..thanks for replying my discussion :)
@luntian_grace (1373)
• Philippines
22 Sep 08
it is one of the answers but its not only that, poverty is a huge problem and it can't be solve by just one answer. even education is affected bec. of poverty, more and more people are droping out from school coz they can't afford one.
@chengbeb (285)
• Philippines
16 Sep 08
Poverty is a major problem anywhere in the world it just varies. Education is not the only answer to reduce poverty. An individual may have the knowledge and the diploma but there is not enough company who would like to hire. There is not enough jobs. In the Philippines alone thousands of students graduate every year but our unemployment rate is very high. Some would go to other countries just to get a job. Our government tries hard to help every Filipino to get a job but if the body is not willing then it's our own fault too. There are many factors to poverty and it is not just education alone. There's personal will, there's the government who maybe either corrupt or genuinely real. There's the business sector who hire more experienced individual not thinking of the newly grads. Education is not the only solution...it's a part of the solution.
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
13 Sep 08
There's no simple answer to this issue. Too many factors contribute to poverty. Education often ends poverty, but it's not the only answer, by any means. Usually, the more we know, the more we can consider doing. But those opportunities are not easily found.
In short, education can help, but it takes more to end poverty.
@blackhole_09 (6)
• Philippines
17 Sep 08
..yah ..right of course by the help of ur family and government....
@Bobbysox (224)
•
15 Sep 08
Powerful question you have posed here,Ppoverty versus education.For a start its hard to have an education system in process if there is no money to do it in the first place.I am sure there are many poverty stricken countries that have education marked way down there list,the first thing being required a decent meal on hte plate.Education is needed certainly,and its everyones right to a basic education,but sometimes there are things that just oputweigh the education,and im sure the need for good food would be one of them.
@joyadalia (1408)
• Philippines
15 Sep 08
Yes, without education people will not flourish. Here's an article I made on education and BPOs (no offense to the people from India, please, it was only an example of what is happening here in the Philippines ).
Business Process Outsourcing: Its Effects on the Filipino College Students
Don’t get me all wrong, I am glad that these Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) companies have sprouted here in the Philippines and gave jobs even to those who did not finish college. I work for one. However, this has mislead college students so that they stop going to school and go to these companies who promise them a good future with a good salary. But the long term effects may not be as good as the present advantages.
The educational system in the Philippines may seem shorter to those from the States and from Europe but it is far below the levels of their education. For example, we have preschools to teach the children to read and write and 6 years of grade school. You graduate from grade school at around 11 years old and proceed to high school for 4 years. Then you choose your college degree: either vocational or a real bachelor's degree. Here's the catch: The usual English, Filipino, Science, Maths, History and Arts are taught until high school but I just don't think that these students are prepared for work. And jobs here in the country – jobs that pay minimum wage – are offered ONLY to those who have finished College. Because if you compare the education we are getting here the equivalent to your high school graduate are the college graduates here! Even secretaries in offices need a college degree. Even where I work, they don't hire those who have not finished a four year course. The usual trend is that people who have not finished school (or just high school) become sales ladies, drivers and hired domestic helpers – they are paid around half the minimum wage!
But then the call centers came. It was good that they hired people from all walks of life with at least one semester of college only. They don't care as long as you have a good command of English. And because Filipinos usually have that then a lot get hired. I do not think that this is negative because this has given those who could not afford the rather expensive college education to obtain a job. A lot of students are not interested to go to college anymore because of this event. So what is wrong with me being mad at this?
One big major problem: eventuality. Right now call centers are booming and people are getting jobs. Yes, you did not have a degree and yet here you are receiving minimum wage – which is alright because you were not able to graduate anyway – happy thoughts. But in reality, this event may not be here forever. India is always outbidding Philippine companies because they bid insanely low on jobs and they know English. Of course, their English as far inferior that the Filipinos but the companies from Europe and USA do not care if they speak perfect English as long as they are cheap and can understand and be understood by customers. And we know that that is just alright. So, to whose disadvantage is this? Filipino BPOs. By the way, a BPO means business process outsourcing or jobs from foreign companies being done on countries who offer cheap labor and processing costs.
A lot of companies are having a problem struggling with the competition from India. A good example? Well, let us just say that the minimum wage here in Dumaguete City is around Php 34 an hour or $0.78 per hour. India can bid as low as $0.5 or less an hour and get away with it because that amount can buy a lot when converted to their currency. However, in the Philippines even that $0.78 dollar will not buy much – only less than a kilo of rice (which is not enough for a family of 3 the whole day) or less than ¼ kilogram of meat (imagine that little!) or just a pack of corned beef. You see, even the dollar is converted to a lot of pe$o$, still the prices of commodities here are also high in terms of pesos. Gasoline is around Php 60 per liter or $1.4 and that will not even get you much even on the budget priced motorcycle!
So what happens when India outbids the Philippines? Well, they get the jobs. Then what happens to call centers? They lay off people because the customers have gotten fewer. The next year the same thing happens, India outbids the Philippines. Employees are laid off again. And then again and again until the Philippine company stops the operation because costs are higher than the income generated. What happens to the employees? Well, they can always find another work, "Alright, I am a Chemist, Oh I will send an application to that new food processing company and I will most likely be hired". But the other scenario is "What? Oh, I will apply at the grocery store as shelf refiller, I hope they will hire me even if I haven't had college." This is a very good projection, really. I am not an economist but I see the trend.
Even online jobs are being filled by people from India. I registered to this online job market placement called ODesk.com – you can check it out if you like. This place is good for those who want people to work for mostly computer-related jobs such as designing a program, or a website, or writing or data entry or hiring a virtual assistant – stuff like that. I was looking of some jobs that would allow me to write on my laptop and then send them to the clients. But in this site, you have to bid. You put in some amount you bid based on the client's assignment. For a writing job let's just say for example that their rate is $20 per hour (customer's declared rate). A writer from the US and from Europe bids $20 or higher or $18. Well, that is fair enough. A Filipino bids $10 or $5 – that is very high as per hour salary (see the usual $0.78 above). But the one from India bids at $3 and some at $1! The job that was worth $20 was given to the lowest bidder who will charge the client $1 for 1 hour of his time! The client will take on that writer's offer because it is cheap and the client can also edit that article for grammar errors as long as the initial material is worked upon. I have seen a lot of providers leave the site (I left too as there was no way I could get a job there as I had tried to bid countless times but was never approved – and I will never bid for $1 an hour on such a difficult job) with comments that you can never outbid Indians. It is a sad reality really.
BPO companies may have brought revenues to the Filipino government and hot jobs for the people but it has also encouraged a culture of less educated youth.
This appeared first on Qassia.
@censae (72)
• United States
5 Oct 08
There is no one central answer to the reduction of poverty. Education is certainly one contributing factor to this end. Education's major fuel is opportunity. Hopefully, an educated or person system will avail itself of opportunities for change and growth or create those opportunities.
1 person likes this
@melvelasco (356)
• Philippines
29 Sep 08
Not all educated people or in other words, not all graduated in a high degree education can assure that will get a good job so will not cause for the poverty...We must to work more harder and try to look what company could help us to reach our goals and our dreams. I had a friend which is graduated in High schools at first he was so upset because no one hired him because of the education. But he never stop dreaming and trying until one company he found out, in other worlds he excell in that company...now for only 3 years in working too hard he got his own house and got 7 cars. But before his first job is Security Guard..
1 person likes this