I am really MAD. REALLY MAD. ...:-(
By walkthetalk
@walkthetalk (1307)
United States
September 14, 2008 12:50am CST
I don't understand why an 18 year old cannot go to the bank and sign a piece of paper and borrow $1000. dollars on their own name. Because they don't have any credit. Not because they bad credit,
but because no one will give an 18 year old the first chance.
On the other hand an 18 can go and sign their name to a piece of paper and join the war. This seems to be fine for everyone here in the free world.
I seen one post that said, 'if there 18 they sign a contract, they read it so they should understand what there signing.'If a bank want let a child (18) borrow $1000. dollars, without the parent signing the contract, how can the government think that an 18 year old is old enough to hold a gun and shoot people.CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS?
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16 responses
@redkathy (3374)
• United States
14 Sep 08
It's all about money and risk. I would suggest you get a co-signor to give you a credit boost. If you do that, make sire Or a credit card, which will have a low limit. Us it and pay it off every month to build credit. I couldn't get an unsecured loan until I was in my late 20's. Those are the hardest to get.
As for signing up to defend our country, there is no payback or money involved. That is an honorable action from any 18 year old! The only similarity between the two is age. That's not enough to aompare these two situations.
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@redkathy (3374)
• United States
15 Sep 08
I se what you are saying and I do understand. Listen even grown adults who have bought and paid for things on credit sometimes can't get financing. It happened to me when I was in my twenties. You are correct, how do you get credit if no one will lend to you... Start with applying for a credit card or like I said previously with a cosigner. It stinks I know but that how it works. It's about money not people
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
16 Sep 08
No it's not about the money. Its' the whole thing. how an 18 year old is old enough for one action and not the other. The one being war. Under stand.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
I compare the two because as I said if an 18 year old is not old enough for one action,
how could they possibly be old enough for the other.
Yet the government will go to the schools, or even walk in your home while your not there, to get your 17 year old son or daughter to sign for a 50,000 $ scholarship that they may or may not life to receive. When what they are really signing for is to go fight the war.
Have you ever had a stranger come in your home and ask your 17 year old to join the military,
while you were not home.
Of coarse your son will let him in he is fixing to be an adult, he can let someone in his house.
That is why I compare the two.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
14 Sep 08
I had the same problem at that age. To get credit you have to have good credit. And to have good credit you have to find somebody who will extend credit to you. We got around it 2 ways. 1) find a department store, such as JC Penney and get a store card. Make some purchases and pay them off. That will help establish credit. 2) save some money up and then open a bank acct where they will give you a credit card because you have a minimum balance. Things have changed in 25 years, so don't know how feasible those things still are. Good luck!
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
Yea he tried both of those options.
Still, No credit, No credit card. Not even at a department store.
The banks won't do anything without a cosigner.
So I did. He really just wanted to establish credit on his own.
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@howard96h (11640)
• New York, New York
14 Sep 08
Hi walkthetalk, here is a link for Capital One, look towards the bottom of the page and there is an orange section for people with "Limited Credit History" to apply for a card, sometimes they ask for a deposit and they hold it a while to see if the person pays their bills on time. I hope this helps, I know a few people who started off with "Capital One Bank" and now they have many cards. Good Luck! http://www.capitalone.com/creditcards/products/compare/?linkid=WWW_0608_CARD_TGUNS01_CCPMP_C2_02_T_CCPCP
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
He got his loan. Thanks. I just really wanted to rant. I had a comment on a post earlier that made me fume.
I cosigned for his loan. He just really want to start his credit on his own.
Thanks for your help.
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@heavenschild (4777)
• Canada
14 Sep 08
Sorry you had to go through this with your son but I'm glad you signed for him...
Your question is, why is that even necessary and I understand your upset over this!
It brings to mind securing your first job when people want experience but no one will give them the chance to get experience....It's a vicious and unfair cycle!!!
Anyhow, I live in Canada and am thirty now but I had no trouble when I finished High School attaining a student credit card through Royal Bank Visa...I secured my student loan through Royal Bank also. This was a wonderful start and easy for me to attain and I was able to start building my credit history then. I used the card and payed ff the full balance each month then with no problem...Just wish I could do the same now!
So glad your son got what he needed but is he still without a card?
I wish him all the best in life as he strikes out on his own!
Take Care,
~Heavens~
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@heavenschild (4777)
• Canada
14 Sep 08
A bank card is great but does not help to form credit unfortunately!!!
I don't like cards either but if he learns to be responsible as I was and not put too much on each month so that he pays off the whole balance when the bill comes in then he could start building himself up a credit line!
~Heavens~
@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
Well heavenschild, he does have a bank card ( debit ) that withdrawal money right from his account as he spends it. That is enough of a card for now. I'm not really crazy about cards.
I never thought about the job thing. I had the same problem when I was job hunting. I had two almost beg for the job I have now. I called every day for a month. The H R lady said she decided I wasn't gonna stop calling so she would just hire me. I have worked there for 15 years. Its funny how how the world looks at kids in different ways.
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@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
14 Sep 08
[i]Hi walk,
In our Country, they are still students and still dependent to their parents so, they will not be trusted about lending money not unless they will proceed to the pawnshop!
ANyway, I agree with your point![/i]
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@checapricorn (16061)
• United States
15 Sep 08
they will pawn anything, like jewelries of course without the knowledge of their parents!
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
So they go to the pawnshop why? A lot of 18 in the U. S. are still living at home with parents. they still have to be trusted at some point. It will be the same when there 25 if they never get credit.
They point is about the age and, what you should and should not be able to do. At such a young age.
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@scorpio19 (1363)
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14 Sep 08
I know what you mean Governments are so contradicting I live in the UK and our laws are the same there is no consistence.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
Well I think it should be the other way around.
If your not old enough to get a loan, you should not be old enough to DIE.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Sep 08
walkthetalk you have raised a really good point. if one is old
enough at 18 to join the armed forces. one should be old enough to take out a loan on their own name. but I know its almost impossible for an 18 year old to do that. I wonder if you cosigned a loan that they would give your 18 year old a loan?
I was able to do that when I was 18. but again that was a long
time ago.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
15 Sep 08
I did cosign for my son. And he got the loan.
But shouldn't it be the other way around, if your too young to get a loan, you should be too young to go to war?
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
15 Sep 08
Usually loans given by banks are secured by something, either it me a savings account or other investment account a home or a car. Most 18 year olds do not have any of these things except perhaps a car. They also do not have any previous credit history with which to judge the person, so loaning them a money could be a risk. The best thing you can do is to build up your credit. Store credit cards which I do not normally recommend are usual more lenient and will allow young people to get credit cards. Get just one, charge one thing a month for a couple of months and pay it off each month. That should be enough for you to start to establish some credit history, once you do though don't use those cards any more, the interest rate is rediculas on them. Good luck to you.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
15 Sep 08
That was the whole idea for the loan, to build his credit.
I cosigned for the loan.
Thanks for your time.
@creative_genius (992)
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14 Sep 08
I got a contract mobile phone at the age and that was the beginning of a good credit history, not too sure if that works in the U.S though. It is silly as at 18 you are an adult. To outweigh any risk the bank could slightly raise interest rather than just say no to any lending.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
Yea he tried that to, they wanted to charge him $ 450.00 to start his phone account.
That would have been almost half of the $1000. Makes a lot of since, doesn't it.?
@thebeaddoodler (4262)
• Lubbock, Texas
14 Sep 08
Sorry to inform you, but the bank won't let a 25 year old sign a piece of paper to borrow $1000 if they have no credit. Or a 40 year old. That's just the way the credit world works.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
15 Sep 08
I no that. I believe I stated that in an earlier comment.
@zhuuraan (961)
• United States
14 Sep 08
I can't say I agree with the military thing, but then I am anti war anyway. However, I do agree with the bank not lending money, especially $1000. 18 year olds are often irresponsible and are the worst at running up all sorts of debts. I wouldn't lend an 18 year old $50, let alone $1000. When I was younger, there was a place you could go and borrow twenty, then thirty, then fifty and so on and if you paid it back you could move up to the next value. You ended up paying back more than just getting it all together but it helps build up credit, and the enterest wasn't bad. I borrow twenty and pay back twenty six and so on. Hopefully that will help.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
15 Sep 08
We have places like that here, but they don't report to the credit bureau.
I cosigned for him.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
15 Sep 08
Ah my dearest friend! That is a question that has been asked
by many, at least by me! I also don't get it! I feel the
same way! Way can an 18 year old not borrow money from a
bank without a parent's permission, buy it's ok for them
to sign up to shoot and kill people-beat's the crap out of
me! It's ok for them to sign their life away, but not ok
for them to get money from the bank~! This world is extremely
azz backwards and freaked up to say the least! I know that
others have asked the same question, but no one has had
the nerve to answer it, least of all the friggin bank!
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
15 Sep 08
What I want to know is why don't anyone besides you, and two other people on this freakin site get this damn question.? I'm confused? I ask a question about contradiction, and it has turned in to
" how to get a loan " The kid just wanted to build his credit. Has anyone that left a comment
read any of the rest. I COSIGNED FOR HIS LOAN. I think I have typed that 10 times maybe. Who know. Maybe not. It seems like it.
I'm glad you understand what I'm saying.
Thanks for listening to me rant.
@insulin (2479)
• Philippines
14 Sep 08
HI there walkthetalk..Well you are right because I am 18 years old and i needs parents signature and its really not fair at all.I mean we are in our right age but it seems just like the bank is afraid that we will not do our obligation or responsibilites because they don't trust.It just like where are too young for it I mean yeah your right,we need to have first chance.God bless and have a nice day.:-)
@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
You do need a first chance. And without it you will never get anywhere in life. My son is 18, he can't get a cell phone, a department store card, a bank loan, a credit card. Nothing on his own.
He's gonna get bad credit trying to get credit.
Good luck.
@Geone1 (65)
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14 Sep 08
Well it's all about money really Walkthetalk the bank is thinking more on the lines on whether they will get back the £1000 investment they are lending you plus interest I suppose, more than how old you are, seeing that you don't have a credit history you are more of a high risk to them I guess, where if you are joining up to be in the army it's just like a normal job you can get and as long as you are of adult age there is no need for you to get consent from your parents.
I'm sure when you've had a your own landline or get a few store cards set up and built up a credit score and history they may reconsider their offer and lend you the money at a later stage or time.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Sep 08
Unfortunately there is nothing we can do. Thanks for reading.
Take care !