Feminist Hypocrisy
By talker96
@talker96 (154)
United States
September 17, 2008 9:08am CST
I've always thought that the point of the womens movement was for equal gender rights. The basis being that a woman can be strong willed, run a business, raise a family and basically do what ever she sets her mind to do. Why do feminists hate Sarah Palin? Why are feminists backing Barack Obama and then attacking her viciously any chance they get. I'm confused. Sarah Palin is definitely a woman. And by all observations, she is the definition of what the womens movement stands for. She's strong willed, she's the freaking Governor of our largest state and she's raising a family.How can the feminists turn their backs on her just because she doesnt have the same political views as them. So what, you can still vote for Barack but don't tear her apart when she is everything that your group stands for. My God, a Woman could be Vice President and then possibly go on to be the actual President. If anything you should realize that this is what you wanted. So she's not a liberal, get over it. I'm a Democrat but, the way that my party has acted towards anything red is just pathetic. I've always believed that republicans were liars and all about money, I don't think this anymore. After viewing Left blog pages and right blogs I've decided that the major difference between the two is simple, Republicans have a simple foundation of Christian Beliefs, Democrats do not. When I say that is better to have this belief system, it is only because this system is what our country was founded on. The left side does not see anything wrong with attacking and making fun of Sarah Palins family especially her pregnant daughter and her child born with down syndrome. This sickens me. At the Democratic convention, there were no protests, no violence in the streets by crazed republicans(which is good because they are all armed) But at the Republican convention tear gas was being fired into the rioting democrats. And we are supposed to be the non violent ones.When the election comes up I honestly do not know who to vote for anymore.
Thanks for letting me rant.
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14 responses
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Sep 08
sorry but I disagree, I am a democrat and a christian and i hate allthis name calling and finger pointing a lot of it done by good mylotters.as for feminists, we want a good strong womanwho does not push people around, and act like a diva, and try to ban books, we want an intelligent, not stuck on herself woman to run for either party. and no you are so wrong to label democrats as not having Christian beliefs. do you know all the people who are voting democrat, no You do not so quit with the mudsling. thats for little kids not thinking mylotters
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Sep 08
"as for feminists, we want a good strong womanwho does not push people around, and act like a diva, and try to ban books, we want an intelligent, not stuck on herself woman to run for either party"
So clearly you can't support Hillary because she acted like a diva when she refused to attend the anti-Iran meeting just because Sarah Palin would be there as well. She then pushed people around and along with her democratic allies forced the convention to uninvite Sarah Palin.
I think you need to quit reading those chain emails. Sarah Palin NEVER tried to ban any books. The email going around with a list of books is an obvious lie since it lists books that weren't even in print when she was supposedly banning them.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
17 Sep 08
Most feminists are pro-choice and women's rights and they mean feminist women's rights. Palin says that she is one, but she is against abortion for every single reason and is for children's rights. Some seem to think that pro-choice means you either have the baby, adopt the baby out, or abort the baby, but in reality pro=choice gives more emphasis on keeping or aborting, and just a little to adopting the baby out and certainly when the baby will inconvenience the mother, the boyfriend or husband does not want it, or it will create a problem, is handicapped, then abortion takes precedence.
So Palin instead of aborting her down syndrome child kept the baby, even though in many cases the pro=choice feminist is a bit hypocritical, because they will even abort a baby when it does not have a physical or mental problem. They will abort the baby if it inconveniences the mother.
So what Palin is doing is saying that if it is not right to abort the baby because of physical or mental retardation, it is not right to abort a baby because its birth would inconvenience the mother and that is why they hate her.
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@CherylsPearls (1269)
• United States
17 Sep 08
There is no "feminist hypocrisy" as far as I can see. Sarah Palin is NOT a supporter of women's rights. Period. That makes her no different from a lot of other conservative elected leaders.
NOW and other women's groups would be hypocritical if they did support Palin. She is against almost everything these groups stand for. So what's the problem?
It's amazing to me that before Palin, not one conservative I know even thought the word "sexism" - much less gave voice to it! I'm glad they have finally discovered the word, although the meaning of it seems to still be eluding them.
Women, those mean old "feminists" everyone likes to talk about, did not support Hillary Clinton because she was a woman. We (I include myself) supported her because she is a champion of women's rights. Obama and Biden are the champions now, certainly not Palin.
By the way, I have never seen anyone representing NOW say anything about Palin staying home with her children. If you can find evidence of that, please share it.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
18 Sep 08
Well, xFah...we'll have to ask her if she agrees on McCain's stance that women shouldnt have equal pay. Seems to me, she would've said on the first day if she didn't agree with it...but yeah, alot of the way this election season has been handled has not really be spot on.
I have to agree ith Cheryl though, it's not hypocrisy. Because Palin is an insult to feminists and at the very least Hillary supporters purely on the basis of why she was picked.
And for those who read this and go, "WTF?" to the equal pay bit. Ledbetters bill, I believe? McCain was quoted to saying "Women just need to get more education and to work harder" or something to that affect? It escapes me presently, but look it up. His excuse was the common one, that'd it'd create problems by opening up a bunch of lawsuits and such...but obviously if there's enough discrimination going on that would create a problem with a bunch of lawsuits...there's already a serious enough of a problem here, nevermind wanting to worry about the consequences of doing what's right by equality.
@Sillychick (3275)
• United States
17 Sep 08
Talker, I agree that Palin embodies a lot of what the feminist movement stands for. But to vote for her for that reason, even when you disagree with her views on the issues, is wrong. I'm not saying I'm for or against Palin or McCain, or that I am for or against Obama. But I believe that feminists who disagree with Palin and McCain's stance on the issues should not vote for them. Elections are supposed to be to choose the person or people who will be the best leaders and meet the current needs of our country, not to vote for the person we admire, or for a woman simply so we can have a woman for Vice President.
@talker96 (154)
• United States
17 Sep 08
Not the first......damn, ya got me on that one.
Again, I am in no way implying that they should vote for her. People should stick to their political stance no matter what.....that being said, I am saying that what she represents, regardless of views, is worth at least a "Good Job" with a pat on the back. And so far the only real disagreement I'm hearing from fems is the Pro-Choice thing, which she isn't trying to stop, she just has a different view. I keep re-reading this post, and all of the comments by supporters of all things feminimity are doing exactly what they are trying to say she is doing or going to do and that's shove their ideals,(which, oddly enough, are my views also) down my throat. It makes no sense. It's like protesting a war and in the process rioting.......pointless
@talker96 (154)
• United States
17 Sep 08
I never said anything about them voting for her, I simply stated that they shouldn't be tearing into her and trying, rather desperately I might add, to destroy her reputation. They don't respect what she embodies, the first female vice president nominee. They should respect that fact and support her for that, and when I say support, I do not mean politically, they should never alter their convictions or beliefs and at the end of the day, vote for who they want to.
@LadyWinter (195)
• United States
17 Sep 08
Talker96....
She is not the first VP female candidate....Geraldine Ferraro anyone?
@dragonlady9947 (122)
• United States
18 Sep 08
You need to develop a basic understanding about feminism and what we fought so hard to get. We still do not have equal pay for equal work, quality day care for our children, quality medical care... the list is too long. Feminism does not mean - gee we can go to work (for 77% of what a man makes), produce children, do housework, and change the oil in our cars. Palin is a fraud - she is not a feminist nor does she have to be - but she is a liar and a brutal, insensitive being - we don't need this for the country - whether it be male or female. Strong-willed has absolutely nothing to do with it. Please do some reading and talking to real feminists. You may be too young to remember - but after the vote we fought for the right to attend post secondary institutions and not be a nurse or a teacher unless you really wanted to - when I went to University the quota for females in medicine was 5/ for law it was 5/ for engineering it was 5. % token females in each faculty. We fought - we won... There is more - and we must continue to promote our cause.
@talker96 (154)
• United States
19 Sep 08
I liked your response, almost enough to give it "Best Response" status, but then you said that Palin is a "liar and a brutal, insensitive being" which I understand the liar part but Brutal? What gives? And don't tell me it's because she hunts moose? That would be ridiculous.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
24 Sep 08
Taskr-- well it makes sense Jesus was a male.
and darkonw- "hates the environment" that is really funny. now we better not see you signing up for your hunting license....that would be hypocritical.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Sep 08
Because feminists are nuts! I am a woman and would NEVER consider myself to be a feminist. I am a conservative constitutionalist. I remember a quote but
“The woman who thinks she is intelligent demands equal rights with men. A woman who is intelligent does not.”
Sidonie Gabrielle Colette quotes (French Writer, 1873-1954)
Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition.
Timothy Leary
@evanslf (484)
•
18 Sep 08
I've tried to look into this. There are a number of feminists that state that Palin is not a feminist because she is in favour of drilling, against measures to deal with global warming and a variety of other issues. This might not make you like Palin, but I don't think that this has anything to do with Palin being a feminist or not.
The main issue is clearly that she does not support the right to choose and she is obviously on record on this.
However, she is on the McCain ticket and i understand that 1) McCain was opposed to the Fair Pay Act, 2) that he opposed increased funding for the State Children's Health Insurance Program and 3) he supported cuts to the Family and Medical Leave Act which I understand is key for working mothers.
The article on this is located at: www.feministing.com/archives/011002.html
That said, I haven't seen anything on record that states whether she has actually taken a position on the above. The article assumes, because Palin is running on McCain's ticket, that she is likely to support her boss on the above. Maybe this is true, maybe not. It would be interesting to find out from Palin herself what her stance is regarding the above.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
17 Sep 08
It seems to me the only "feminist right" Palin apears to not support is the right of "choice". I can't imagine anything else and haven't seen anything else to demonstrate she has not supported any other "right" woman have been demanding. So, perhaps I am a man and simplify things too much, but would that mean then that the entire feminist movement is based on abortion rights? Please don't hurl bricks at me yet ladies, hold on a second, this is not something I really believe. But it does seem to me that the leberal feminist movement is using abortion to point out that Palin is not supporting "women's rights". So, are they really not supporting her because she doesn't support the "feminist movement", which encumpasses far more than the abortion issue? Or is it because she is not a liberal woman and abortion issues are a convenient guise?
@patms1 (521)
• United States
21 Sep 08
I agree with you one hundred percent. Most feminist are hypocrites. There the one that say a woman is a good as man but maybe better. Woman are stronger, smarter and more intelligent then men and like that commercial said, she can bring home the bacon, fry it in a pan and still make you feel like a man. Well when they are confronted by a such a woman they start screaming that because she is capable of standing toe to toe with a man she is not a real woman. She can not only shoot a moose but clean it, cook it and save the rest for later. Instead of yelling THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT they complain she is not a real woman. Well, I would call you ladies but I don't want to offend you she is more woman then Hillery. She is the governor not her husband and he still loves her and she does not have to afraid to open a paper and see who her husbands latest girlfriend is. As for talking about her daughter that is a very slippery slope. In to days world there are many many family facing this situation, all bad mouthing her is make people understand what a bunch of hypocrites you are.
P.S. I am the grandmother of three. My granddaughter is a LT. in the Navy.
@cbreeze (1205)
• United States
17 Sep 08
As you stated in your first sentence, the women's movement is for equal gender rights. That means true feminists are not just in support of anyone because they are a woman, but because that person best represents and champions for their issues/concerns. Feminists are troubled by some of Sarah Palin's positions on issues that they have fought in favor of, such as abortion and gay/lesbian rights. I'm not a feminist but this is my understanding of their lack of support for Governor Palin. I think to them Hillary Clinton represented not just a woman breaking the glass ceiling, but someone who demonstrated a strong attitude of inclusiveness and who would continue to champion their issues. Biden is recognized as someone who champions women's issues with the Violence Against Women Act. Because people are so passionate about their positions, I think they have a tendency to do and say cruel things to their opposers. This has been seend from the Left and the Right, from Democrats and Republicans, from the McCain camp and the Obama camp.
@talker96 (154)
• United States
17 Sep 08
I understand that they probably do disagree with most, if not all of the issues that she stands for, but when I see an interview with a representative of the National organization of Women on television and she is belittling Sarah Palin for not dropping out of the race to stay home and raise her kids......well, it strikes me as a little bit hypocritical don't you think?
@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
17 Sep 08
Talker96, have you got a link to that interview, or a name of the interviewer or interviewee? I'm not asking because I question that it happened, I'm asking so that I can look it up and go rip the supposed representative a new one. That's the kind of divisiveness and baiting that stands in the way of all women.
Sarah Palin has her beliefs and she is entitled to her beliefs, and she is entitled to act according to her beliefs as long as what she does is not against the law. If a man were saying and doing some of the things that she is saying and doing, I'd call him out on it. I don't cut her slack because she's a woman. I don't agree with her policies, and there are serious questions on the table about her ethics. If those same questions were raised about a man, I wouldn't vote for him. I won't vote for a ticket that includes her just because she's a woman.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
24 Sep 08
IMO, which is derived from one being a woman and two watching women and three having had some instruction on how women and men communicate...yes there is a college class on this...
today's "feminist" if that is the chosen word is not what the women's suffrage stood for. I am not speaking on women who work the same jobs men do, many times even better, or the ones who have paved the road for our generation...this is not to diminish their efforts and sacrifices....but it should have never become a token phrase. Way before woman's suffrage numerous women worked in fields, facotries, and other manula labor jobs, not too mention running a household....
Yes due to gender issues we do face some stereotypes....but everyone has biases against anyone..it's life.
I personally think all these "feminist" women who criticize other professional women like Palin so harshly are just either jealous or mad. I think it is quite lovely to see a women (who is not perfect, but has shown grace and intelligence will always outweigh gossip mongers) present herself with dignity. And I think John McCain is one smart dude for the decision he has made....and that is why the Democrats got nervous really quickly after the announcement.
Honestly, I am not focusing on the politics on here, because I watch the news and follow up the hot tips usually finding it blown out of proportion. And after watching the View last week....I lost every ounce of respect for Barbara WA-WA that I had...a little off the subject but she is a leading women on prime time.....but not for me anymore.
@dark4eyes (161)
• United States
18 Sep 08
She's a bloody BARBIE DOLL who was picked ONLY because Obama DIDN'T pick Clinton (best choice Obama made) Palin has NO record, NO experience and her only high point was that she was in a BEAUTY PAGEANT? And they picked HER to be next in line behind a SENILE old man who doesn't know where he is half the time and keeps changing his position depending on where the wind blows and could possibly DIE in office. Leaving our country to be run by someone who hasn't a clue about current events, but has pretty lipstick?
If she's so "good" why aren't the Reps letting her do interviews unless they're SCRIPTED? She obviously can't be trusted to say what her handlers WANT her to say because she's as empty headed as the usual Barbie Doll. Pretty face - empty skull.
Palin HAS a record of hiring friends and lashing out brutally at enemies (sounds like a certain LOW IQ president we're stuck with, doesn't it?) She WANTS war with Russia AND Iran and wants to continue the war in Iraq.
She and McCain have both said they want to repeal Roe V Wade.
She goes on about the shamefullness of teen pregnancy - yet her own daughter is pregnant at 17.
Palin is a JOKE - aptly played by Tina Fey - and should NEVER be considered as strong enough to run a nation. She might break a nail.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
18 Sep 08
NO record, NO experience? What experience did Bill Clinton have when he became president? Has Obama run a company? NO. Palin has. Has Obama run a city government? NO. Palin has. Has Obama run a state government? NO. Palin has. That senile old man McCain has been keeping up as rigorous a schedule as Obama and he has yet to falter. Interviews? Palin has already done an interview on ABC and on FOX and she didn't have to use a prompter, and speaking of prompters, your man Obama can't seem to put two words together without one. Hiring friends? I believe Bill Clinton had a few of his friends working for him when he was president. They all do that. As far as intelligence goes, George W. Bush as been outsmarting the democrats since he was ELECTED in 2000. Obama has been a senator for four years. If Palin is a joke with all the experience she has, what does that make Obama?
@dark4eyes (161)
• United States
18 Sep 08
calm down, sparky - where did I EVER say I was for Obama? He's as bad as the REPS - I'm sayin' Palin needs to go back to alaska.
@bluestar000 (27)
• India
17 Sep 08
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