economy, the big republican desaster

@ngaspero (851)
Italy
September 23, 2008 7:57am CST
People start to see which desaster did in economy the Bush administration in the last 8 years, now they're seing and touch that becouse a lot of people from middleclass are very hard involved in the economic crise, and that can be the key for Obama to win the election. It's clear that Mc Cain and Palin are imbarazing from the politic of Bush, otherwise why they don't use the president for there campaign? but they cannot say that they're not responsible becouse they're part of the system, and now the question..do you think that Obama should focalized his campaign 90% on this problem? my opinion is yes, he has to becouse with that he can win the vote of a lot of indecide voters..
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@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
23 Sep 08
ngaspero, Thank you for providing your international insight to this situation. It shows me that our international friends are just as influenced by the US mainstream media as our citizens are. I do not know what the media is like in Italy, but here they are very liberal. Which means they are always going to slant away from Republicans and toward Democrats. CNN as much as any other. The truth is that the president has relatively little impact on the economy. The truth is that the Fed and congress have more involvement in the economy. But the media will always blame the Republican. They are very reluctant to place blame when a Democrat is involved. You probably didn't hear much about the several terrorist attacks on our country during Bill Clinton's terms in office. There was no blame placed then. But Bush has been the target f much blame for 9/11. But that is just an example. Our current economic problems are due to all of our political leaders pretending that the problems were not as big as those of us in the financial world were saying they were. While in office politicians don't want to be the bearers of bad news. They don't want to have to act decisively since they could act wrongly and be held accountable for it. So the pretend it doesn't exist. And now that the problems are huge, the place blame rather than offer solutions. So the bottom line is that it is not President Bush's agenda that caused this, it is congress's inaction. What the media wont tell you is that the Democrats hold the majority in congress. Another bit of truth is that President Bush's approval ratings are currently 31.9%. Congress's approval rating is only 20.7%. One other point of fact. As you know Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have just been bailed out by the US government. This is having a huge impact on the mortgage industry and by connection, the housing market. It is the decline of these two markets that played a large role in the Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch problems (and others). Get this. The former CEO of Fannie Mae was on Barrack Obama's VP search team. And Fannie Mae is the Obama's second biggest contributor. I only share that because the strongest links to this economic problem are not to the Republican party or President Bush. Who can we best trust to get this sorted out? Someone who owes his political life to those that had a hand in causing the problem? These are truths that the mainstream US media is not reporting.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Sep 08
Very well said, Guardian!
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
23 Sep 08
You are very right! Everyone fails to recognize that, although there were attacks on our homeland during Democratic administrations, those in charge failed to take measures to prevent it from happening again. When a Republican stepped forward to take action, he received and continues to receive much criticism.
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@Pitgull (1522)
• United States
23 Sep 08
Because he didn't step up and just take charge. The country supported him, long after we should have. He let things linger, built up contracts, and screwed us. Whether or not it was indecision, THE PRESIDENT should be able to make up his mind. If we was voted for, he should have enough confidence to do the job we elected him to do. Get off the Republican nuts. How much money do you make? And who do you work for? If you read about anything EITHER candidate said, even strictly McCain, you'd see he was a liar, and just the same. Lobbyists run his campaign. Why else did he pick Palin?
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
23 Sep 08
The current economic crisis is not the result of the actions of either political party, but is rather a culmination of many years of Americans living well beyond their means and becoming dependent on credit. If there is anything in this that should be blamed on our government, it would be allowing our country to become dependent on foreign oil. That also can not be blamed on just one political party as it has spanned many administrations. Contrary to the attacks aired by Obama, McCain and Palin are not "more of Bush" - not that I think that is a bad thing. Why would they use him as part of their campaign - he's not running for office! Obama seems to focusing his campaign only on attacking Sarah Palin - not on the issues. I don't believe he is the "take-charge" kind of person we need in the White House right now.
@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
23 Sep 08
Hi, but in a late CNN poll I lot of people are seing the situation in this way, and is true the fact that Americans were living for a lot of years beyond their means but that was stimulating with the presidential economic politic and also that is a fact, regarding the dependence from foreign oil, USA can do all the holes it wants but it'll never been enough to cover all the oil that they need, and don't forget that Bush had always in his back the lobbies of the oil company that all did a lot of money in these years of crises for everyone but not for them...a lot
@evanslf (484)
23 Sep 08
Recent polling shows Americans blaming the Republicans for the state of our economy by a ratio of 2-1, with others saying both or unsure. So the fact that over the last week the economy has been front and center is not going to help McCain one bit. State polls are now catching up with the national polls which show Obama taking a national lead of 3-5%. That said there are still the debates to come which I think will decide this election, barring a last minute October surprise. You are right though to say that Obama should bang on and on about the economy. Current polling shows that that is by far and away the main concern of voters and Obama/Dems lead McCain/Reps by 10% or so on economic issues.
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
23 Sep 08
ngaspero - Those who think America can never be free of foreign oil are kidding themselves. T. Boone Pickens has greatly publicized his plan to do this, and it is a very workable plan. It is possible to use wind energy (of which we have an abundance in North Dakota) to replace the fossil fuels being used for electricity. That allows us to reallocate those fuels towards transportation. That, and a change to the use of natural gas to fuel vehicles would soon take care of this problem.
• United States
24 Sep 08
But Senator Obama said he was going to raise taxes. How can he possibly win the election saying he's going to raise our taxes when we have a "disastrous" economy? And what do you mean by Republican disaster? Don't you know that about the only Republican in the House right now is President Bush? The Democrats won control of the House in 2006, you should see if from our country, it's like deer caught in headlights. Republicans have been trying to pass bills and laws for years now trying to prevent something like this from happening.
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@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
24 Sep 08
but if I got well the tax erase should regard people with an high level of payment, am I wrong?
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Sep 08
If you are referring to the big Wall Street bailout, I think there is non partisan blame all around on this one. It has its roots in the repeal of a key piece of FDR legislature (Glass Steagall Act) in 1999 when Bill Clinton was president. Not that Clinton had much say in the matter. The new law was initiated by Republicans and approved by a non partisan committee making it impossible to veto. The upstart was the creation of FDIC insured universal banks that were able to make risky investments never intended for FDIC insurance. (eg. in sub prime real estate loans) Basically, everybody thinks they can use their money to create wealth without exposing themselves to any risk. FDIC is now expected to insure investments in subprime mortgages. Initially, it was spelled out that only low interest, low risk accounts in retail banks were fully insured by government but that safeguard was removed in 1999. Henry Paulson is doing what he knows he has to and I expect he is probably one of Bush's more competent appointments. Still, I don't see anybody putting the safeguards back into the system. Politicians from John McCain to Nancy Pelosi are calling for regulations but they are just telling us what we want to hear. Nobody is happy about the gold parachute crowd getting away with billions and nobody wants to see the little guy ruined. I think Democrats and Republicans would agree on this. But more important, who is going to restore the firewall to the system that was removed in 1999? What is in place to protect a run on the banks that could set off another depression?
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Sep 08
There's a lot that remains to be seen and a lot that depends on how the bailout itself is handled. When the US government bought the railroad system, it was well done and the government managed over time to turn a profit. There is at least a possibility of that happening here. But I still think the single most important thing is getting the old Roosevelt barriers back in there so this doesn't happen again with another risky investment. One thing is for certain, our new president whoever he (oh, how I wish I could still say "she") may be will have his work cut out for him.
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@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
23 Sep 08
I think as well that Hillary coulded be a good president and she had more chances to win als Obama has, but Obama can be a very innovative president, a president for a big change in a good direction..and about Roosvelt barrier I perfect agree with your view, capitalism, or better some protagonist of the capitalism have no scruples and a controll and a limit is a need Nun
• United States
24 Sep 08
Our economy can't be blamed on one person and it's going to take more than one person and more than 4-8 years to fix it. we have lived way beyond our means and we have stuck our noses up at people for too long. now we need help and who's going to help us?
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@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
24 Sep 08
for sure not, is a team job but the president choosed his team, about helping, is from the day before yesterday that USA asked help to the G7 countryes and I'm sure that is there interest that USA go out from this trouble becouse is a trouble for every country..so they'll for sure contribute, how much I don't know but a part for sure
• United States
23 Sep 08
Lol your title is priceless. Anyways i think the prez is definitely responsible for the poor economy we have. Some say it may never recover and when that happens they say that many big powerhouse countries might find that the perfect opportunity to destroy the US. Im not jumping to conclusions here just saying what i read. The economy is so messed up but John McCain claims that the economy is sound and there is nothing wrong with it so i guess he is right :D LOL I think both ppeople running for president are underqualified but the better candidate sees to be barrack i guess. Since he actually knows how the country is coming about.
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
23 Sep 08
The President - regardless of who it is or what party he/she belongs to - is never totally responsible for anything that occurs in this country, good or bad. Many fail to remember that our President does not have absolute power. They also fail to remember that Congress is not made up of only member's of the President's political party, and they also need to be held responsible for what happens or doesn't happen during a President's term of office. Those Democrats in Congress during Bush's Presidential term are just as responsible for the condition of our economy as the President and the Republican members of Congress. Obama's voting record (outlined in a number of other discussions here) is a perfect indication of this, voting "no" or "present" a great majority of the time!
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• United States
23 Sep 08
platinum, I think you misunderstood what McCain said about the economy. The media intentionally misunderstood it. What he said was that the fundamentals of our economy are sound. He did NOT say that there were no problems. I agree that the fundamentals are sound. By fundamentals I understood him to mean this. The American workforce and ingenuity are the backbone of this economy. I would put our workforce up against any in the world. When things get bad, most of us get to work. It is this hard work and desire to succeed that drives our economy. Our stock market system is strong. The ability for average citizens to own shares of companies is a key component of our economy. The stock market was designed for the average person to be able to support companies that they believe in. Companies that they feel provide meaningful benefits to others, companies that are or will be organizationally strong and well run. Market forces will drive our economy when allowed to work without interference. It is usually the interference that upsets that system. In those respects the economy is strong. Because of those things the economy will recover. Of course there were mistakes made but it is also wrong to overreact and overcompensate. That will create even more problems.
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@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
23 Sep 08
Thanks for the answer, and is right the economy bases of USA are soud but..until which point can arrive the federal reserve? American citizen can tell me to think about all the problem that we have hier in Italy, and they can be right but USA is willing or not the superpower in all the west economic and before or after we get als direct reflex all the ecnomy situation that happend in the USA..so I'm really worryng for what is happening now.. Nun
@di1159 (1580)
• United States
23 Sep 08
I think private enterprise, fat CEO paychecks and greed were the downfall leading to the current economic crisis. Although I'm not a Bush fan, it seems that these days he gets the blame for everything. This collaspe has been coming for a while. I work in the mortgage business and have seen during the past few years the reckless lending practices of lenders, getting people into more than they can handle. We are all overextended, have too much debt and there is no easy way out. Sadly the government must bail out these lenders to avoid a total collapse of the system, however in order to prevent this it means the government will have to have a "hands on" policy in private enterprise. Government running private enterprise is a total anti-American concept and certainly something people don't want either. It's a very tough situation for whoever steps into the White House next January. It's certainly taking the focus off of the war. I've noticed that even the news media has been keeping the war coverage on the back burner this week.
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@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
23 Sep 08
for sure some people don't want that the government controll in some ways the system but in this situation it's a must, and if I understood well you're thinking, more ot less in the same way..thank for your contribute Nun
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
23 Sep 08
Ngaspero, First, let me dispel any notion that the current mortgage crisis is in any way the fault of just one party because it is not! The democrats probably shoulder most of the blame although the republicans can't be held blameless either! This started in the Clinton years in the whitehouse and it started as all democrat ideas do; with good intentions. The problem was that congress along with the president and the controller of the Fed, Alan Greenspan, made it possible for almost anyone with a pulse to get a home mortgage! This led to further deregulation which led to the creation of many unscrupulous lenders and mortgage companies! It took this long (about 15 years) for all of this to snowball into what we have today, a national crisis! What the democrats and Barack Obama don't want you to know is that president Bush and his advisers and also John McCain saw warnings of some sort in the economy as early as 2003 and tried to do something about it and congress shot him down! Senator McCain also tried to "head this off at the pass" in 2005 but was also voted down by congress! Amazing isn't it how the people responsible for one of the worst economic crisis' since the great depression want to point the finger at someone else? I have two links to sites which will show you of attempts by Bush and McCain to keep this crisis from happeneing! Here they are: http://sweetness-light.com/archive/bush-mccain-tried-to-reform-housing-finance http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
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@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
23 Sep 08
May you're right and the crises comes from the Clinton era but if it's so why the presidend and more the rep. candidate are so on the defensive? and why the rep. candidate looks like if he's very, but very, embarazing from the Bush economic politic? If it was likes you said for sure Mc Cain and Bush had use that for there advantage by they only defend themself why if it's not there foult? to many question that take only to an answer.. Nun
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
23 Sep 08
Well McCain is trying to stay away from Bush because he doesn't want people to think of him as Bush but, that's too late for people that aren't die hard conservatives. When the economy is bad people vote for Democrats so we will have to wait and see what happens.
@ngaspero (851)
• Italy
23 Sep 08
Hi Zephir, yes is right that Mc Cain stay more away als possible from Bush, prove is that the president didn't appear at the Rep convention..append it before? and which success and credibility has Mc Cain in this strategy of !stay away"? I ask you Zephir becouse al USA citizen for sure are more inform als I'm and you can feel the people around you...thanks Nun
• United States
24 Sep 08
Hmmm, the Bush administration inherited a budget surplus and government making positive reforms. He has turned the surplus into a record deficit, and it's clear he has more damage to do. He has run "his" administration (he has always been quite possessive about it) into the proverbial ground--just as he did his oil businesses back in Texas. By the way, even Texas too seems to be digging out from (Governor) Bush-era excesses.