What the heck is "Melamine" & why is it in my...?
By koalatbs
@koalatbs (2229)
United States
September 29, 2008 9:18am CST
I just saw that the chocolate company Cadbury, which is famous for its chocolate cream filled eggs around Easter-time is claiming that a substance called "Melamine" was found in the chocolate made in their factory in China! Now, what the heck is melamine and why is it in my chocolate?!!!
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Melamine is an organic compound that is often combined with formaldehyde to produce melamine resin, a synthetic polymer which is fire resistant and heat tolerant. Melamine resin is a very versatile material with a highly stable structure. Uses for melamine include whiteboards, floor tiles, kitchenware, fire retardant fabrics, and commercial filters. Melamine can be easily molded while warm, but will set into a fixed form. This property makes it ideally suited to certain industrial applications.
Aside from common commercial uses, melamine became a topic of much discussion in early 2007, when veterinary scientists determined it to be the cause of hundreds of pet deaths, because of pet food contamination. Prior to these reports, melamine had been regarded as non-toxic or minimally toxic. However, because of the unexplained presence of melamine in wheat gluten added to mass-produced dog and cat foods, it is the most likely cause. Pet owners report symptoms that are commonly associated with renal failure, which could be explained by the ammonia that may result from the digestion of the melamine.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-melamine.htm
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
29 Sep 08
At first I thought it may be from the packaging materials then I realised that Cadbury is famous for it's MILK chocolate.
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I heard a lot of things about the pet food contamination when that happened. It was scary because it was found in so many different brands of dog & cat food. I did not remember though that it involved the same chemical, melamine, though. It is even scarier now considering that obviously it is still a big problem and it has not been taken care of fully.
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@sconibear (8016)
• United States
29 Sep 08
melamine when mixed with formaldehyde creates a plastic that is used to make counter tops, dry erase boards, fabrics, glues, housewares and flame retardants. Melamine is one of the major components in Pigment Yellow 150, a colorant in inks and plastics.
melamine was at the heart of the pet food recall here in The U.S. last year.
no.....i'm not really this smart, i got all this info from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine
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@sconibear (8016)
• United States
29 Sep 08
WOW!!! that's what happens when i respond to a discussion from my e-mail inbox........everybody beat me to it.
that's why i wish myLot had a "view discussion" option in our e-mails so we could see what others wrote before we respond.
oh well, Happy Posting.
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@thebohemianheart (8827)
• United States
29 Sep 08
sconibear, I just got lucky this time when I responded from e-mail. I am usually way behind when I do that.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I just looked it up - ack!
Here are some excerpts of what I found:
[i]Melamine is an organic base and a trimer of cyanamide, with a 1,3,5-triazine skeleton. Like cyanamide, it contains 66% nitrogen by mass and, if mixed with resins, has fire retardant properties due to its release of nitrogen gas when burned or charred, and has several other industrial uses. Melamine combines with cyanuric acid to form melamine cyanurate, which has been implicated in the Chinese protein export contaminations.
Melamine is also a metabolite of cyromazine, a pesticide. It is formed in the body of mammals who have ingested cyromazine.[2] It has been reported that cyromazine can also be converted to melamine in plants.[3][4]
Melamine is used combined with formaldehyde to produce melamine resin, a very durable thermosetting plastic, and melamine foam, a polymeric cleaning product. The end products include countertops, dry erase boards, fabrics, glues, housewares and flame retardants. Melamine is one of the major components in Pigment Yellow 150, a colorant in inks and plastics.
Melamine by itself is nontoxic in low doses, but when combined with cyanuric acid it can cause fatal kidney stones due to the formation of an insoluble melamine cyanurate.[14] Melamine is described as being "Harmful if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through the skin. Chronic exposure may cause cancer or reproductive damage. Eye, skin and respiratory irritant.” However, the toxic dose is on a par with common table salt with an LD50 of more than 3 grams per kilogram of bodyweight.[15]
In September 2008, several companies were implicated in a scandal involving milk and infant formula which had been adulterated with melamine. By 22 September, nearly 53,000 illnesses, over 12,800 hospitalisations, and four infant deaths had been reported, caused by kidney stones and other renal failure.[38][39]
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This is copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine
I love Cadbury chocolate, but I don't think I want to be eating plastic.
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@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Money is so tight that I don't have the luxury of buying only what I know is good for me, unfortunately. I do try to limit things, but there is only so far I can go.
From what you said, though, they don't normally put melamine in the chocolate, they are saying it was tainted during the manufacturing process in the factory, right? How the heck are we supposed to be able to monitor that?
I think I want to go live in a greenhouse and cut myself off from the outside environment completely.
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I know... it does make you want to isolate yourself from the rest of the world sometimes, doesn't it?! I can't buy whatever I want either due to low finances, just like you. It is hard to do the right thing or do what is best for yourself and your family when you can't afford to do so. I am going to plant my own veggies this coming spring though. I can't wait until the planting season! Sometimes the fruits & veggies you get in the grocery store nowadays taste like plastic! No taste whatsoever! I might as well be eating a tennis ball than a tomato sometimes! LoL!
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Thanks for the great information on Melamine Ldyjarhead. It sounds like it can be extremely dangerous. I love Cadbury chocolates too. I don't usually buy it much except around Easter-time though. I tend to think of it mainly around that particular holiday since they are famous for their eggs. They are sooo yummy & sinful too! I definitely do not want my chocolate tainted with melamine! That is so scary. You just never know what is going to be in your food anymore, do you?! I am going to be much more careful about where my food comes from now though. I have been much more aware of things like this lately. How about you... I know you grow a lot of your own veggies in your garden but do you pay more attention to where the food you buy in the grocery stores are manufactured lately?
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@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
3 Oct 08
Its actually a substaice which is used to make plastic. A fantastic site for recalls is : totalrecall.com they have everything. You should check it out asap. I hope that every one here does. I heard on the local news they added water to the milk to volumize is them added this substance to make it look more think. All this makes me want to buy a place in the country. Grow my own food. Have chickens for eggs and a cow or goat for milk.
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
9 Oct 08
Thanks a bunch for the link to that site for recalls jdyrj777! I really appreciate it and I am going to save it to my favorites right now. Wait... wait... wait... I just tried to go to that site and it must be the wrong URL because it took me to a data recovery software site, not a site for recalled products. Can you check on the URL for me? Thanks in advance.
@JannaLee (660)
• Philippines
29 Sep 08
Indeed China is having an issue with their products, due to its melamine content. I haven't heard that chocolates were already contaminated by it, until I saw this post. One of the worst cases they are facing now is about melamine being a content for children's milk. Lots of children were affected due to this thing, not just in their country but worldwide, since they export products. I hope next time they would be more careful with the substances they are mixing with their products...
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@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Yes, I heard about the milk contaminated with melamine too JannaLee. It is really scary and so dangerous to the children especially who drank this tainted milk! If you are interested in reading more about the melamine in the Cadbury chocolate in China you can view it here...
http://news.yahoo.com
The article didn't really provide much information though. I think it was just discovered recently and not much is known yet about all of the details.
@thebohemianheart (8827)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Melamine is an organic compound that is often combined with formaldehyde to produce melamine resin, a synthetic polymer which is fire resistant and heat tolerant. Melamine resin is a very versatile material with a highly stable structure. Uses for melamine include whiteboards, floor tiles, kitchenware, fire retardant fabrics, and commercial filters. Melamine can be easily molded while warm, but will set into a fixed form. This property makes it ideally suited to certain industrial applications.
Wow, I don't think I will be buying Cadbury products from now on. Why WOULD melamine be found in chocolate, or anything else you eat, for that matter?
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@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I know thebohemianheart! Now, why in the heck would melamine be in the chocolate?! Are they also making other products in the same factory as the chocolate, like floor tiles or kitchenware?! That is just crazy! I won't be buying any Cadbury anytime soon either! I have really been paying extra close attention to what countries the products I buy are made in lately. It seems like everything is made in either China or Mexico! I am sure the labor & safety codes are not as strict as they are in the U.S. Obviously these companies have their factories in other countries because it is not only cheaper but less rules & regulations, I am sure. It makes me mad to think about it because it is ruining our economy too. Don't you agree?
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@thebohemianheart (8827)
• United States
29 Sep 08
*Nods* It certainly isn't making things any better.
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
30 Sep 08
Well, now we know our chocolate won't catch on fire! ALWAYS a good thing!
Yeah, I'd love to know how it got in there, too. It's going to stop me from buying Cadbury chocolate until I know they've cleaned it up! I LOVE those cream filled chocolate eggs and buy them each year, but I think I'll pass next year unless I hear that they've cleaned it all up and will behave and never, ever do that again! LOL
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
29 Sep 08
From what I have heard and read so far about melamine, it sounds like it is very toxic and dangerous. It can be fatal. It was found in some milk products too recently. I do not understand how it got into the milk or the chocolate. It is not to be taken lightly and they need to hurry up and take care of it and put out a recall on their Cadbury chocolate products that came from that particular factory in China. Don't you agree?
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
29 Sep 08
I thought melamine suppose to be plates and cutlery but now they have put it in food. It is so dangerous to eat food made from china. I used to eat those candies with a rabbit brand also made in china and now it has been banned here in my country. My country has been a dumping ground for china made goods. Beware of products from this country, we might end up 6 feet underground.
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Like you, I am afraid to eat or even buy any products made from China anymore! I'm not sure what candies with the rabbit you are referring to but I'm not surprised that they were banned from your country with all the contaminents that are occuring. It is really scary and now this thing with melamine in Cadbury chocolate too!
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
29 Sep 08
Hi koaalatbs, All I know about melamine is that it is an industrial chemical, and that traces of it has been found in some chocolate made in China. I think that the food agencies in all countries have to be on the alert for things like this, and manufactures everywhere have to make sure that plants are up to standard. Blessings.
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@littleowl (7157)
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29 Sep 08
Hi koala melamine is a substance that is put on china cups etc..in the kitchen you can have melamine sides or cupboards...but how on earth it got into cadbury's chocolate is beyond me! littleowl
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@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
30 Sep 08
I do not understand it either littleowl. Except I did hear from others here on myLot who responded that melamine was found in milk products in China also. Hence, if you think about it, Cadbury chocolate has milk in it too. I am assuming that the milk chocolate was contaminated by the melamine that was already in the milk supply there. It is scary, isn't it?!
@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
29 Sep 08
I think the Government of China need to look more inside this Melamine situations. I don't think that this has happen just like this at the time when persons are looking toward them to be the next powerhouse (Yes I believe it is sabotage). It is said that it has been found in baby food and now Cadbury chocolate. We need to pay more attention in what we are eating. Alot of us just go and buy and do not read the instructions neither the ingredients. This product is harmful and need to look into.
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@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
30 Sep 08
I do not know how it happened kerriannc however I do think it is based on pure financial greed on the part of the companies involved. It is extremely scary to think that things like this are in our food supply and we do not even know it! I do read labels, even more so lately than I used to. I have been paying much more attention to where the products I am buying are manufactured for reasons just like this plus I also think that people need to try to support their own countries economies by buying products made locally. Do you agree that this is a wise decision?
@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
29 Sep 08
I was baffled when I read that, too. I thought melamine was that cheap stuff they make unbreakable crockery out of - it doesn't go in the microwave, either! Maybe the same chemical they use in the crockery has gotten into the chocolate. Scary, isn't it? We don't know what we're eating these days and I think governments should put a ban on a lot of these things. Chemicals and additives might make our food last longer, but I also think they are causing things like ADHD in children. We didn't seem to have all these kids jumping the walls 40 years ago - so what's going down?
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@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
30 Sep 08
I couldn't agree with you more guybrush! All of the chemicals and addictives, like you mentioned, are getting into our food supply and I think it is making many of us sick! I have all of these unexplained medical problems that have been occuring for the past year and a half now and the doctors that I have seen so far cannot figure out what is wrong! One doctor thinks I might possibly have multiple sclerosis but isn't sure. I think that possibly I have been consuming things throughout my life that have built up in my system and are now causing all of these weird symptoms. I don't know, but it is a possibility. Don't you agree?
@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
30 Sep 08
I totally agree with you, koala - every person you speak to has someone in their family with either asthma, some sort of allergy or rash - or behavioural problems. I honestly don't remember any of these things when I was growing up. Of all the kids I went to school with, there was probably only one who was overweight, and nobody had medications for asthma or anything else. I think if the chemicals were removed from our diets, many of these problems would disappear almost overnight. It would be far better for our food to go off a bit faster than to have all these problems - but it's so hard to find food which hasn't been affected in some way. And now they are trying to genetically modify things to make them last even longer ... a VERY bad move, I feel. We're going to have to be very vigilant.
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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29 Sep 08
Hi koalatbs,
I think its disgusting what they are putting into food, I wouldn't buy anything that is made in China. I think "Melamine" is a plastice fibres that has been found in babies food in China a few weeks ago, but I'm not too sure of it.
Tamara
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@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
30 Sep 08
Hi Tamara - I have heard that this melamine stuff acts in a way that makes certain foods appear higher in protein content than they really are. But it is also toxic but obviously all the powers that be in these companies care about is getting more money for their products no matter the cost or risk involved.
@dreamweaverjan (3471)
• United States
30 Sep 08
AACCkk! I saw that running on the ticker on one of the news channels I didn't
see or hear the whole story but what I am reading here its VERY FRIGHTNING
I love Cadbury too, and I do buy the other chocolate bars they carry year around.
Geez! its been awhile since I bought any of them but I do on occasion.
didn't know they came from CHINA EITHER...
Man nothing we do/eat/breathe is safe anymore isn't there another problem with
a pet food product or did I dream that up??
I can't keep up with the messes in the world I swear I can't;
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@blackcatbetty (555)
• United States
30 Sep 08
what is going on with pet food now , OMG! I swear , I can choose what the heck I put in my system to poison it , but when I buy a pet food and expect it to be healthy for them by god it should be! Animals do not have a choice but eat what we give them .
@nishdan01 (3051)
• Singapore
2 Oct 08
It is a chemical found in Chinese milk and milk products. Consumed in large quantities it causes kidney stones and other metabolic problems. All those people who are involved in tainting process did not spare little babies. It is one bad thing one has ever heard of. So I am extra cautious of all products now and avoiding "Made in China" products.
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
1 Oct 08
Melamine is used to bulk up the nitrogen content of milk which misleads testing processes. Testing for milk protein and fat content is important, because the higher the content - the higher the price.
Unfortunately
This summary provides a high level report on the production of milk powder in China, particularly bulk packaged milk powder used in Chocolates, Baked products, whey, yogurt, Icecream etc.
Food processors buy bulk, and in most cases are very price sensitive. Chinese powder milk exports have been growing - see link below and Chinese milk has a good chance of finding its way into our food.
China exports the CHEAPEST milk.
http://www.bharatbook.com/detail.asp?id=72241
Unless there are specific disclaimers, I would view all processed food products with suspicion.
http://www.bharatbook.com/detail.asp?id=72241
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
1 Oct 08
I should have said China exports the CHEAPEST milk for that particular protein grade. And how do they make it cheap? They adulterate with melamine so the milk grade looks good but is poisonous.
With adults it is a long term problem, but with infants even a small amount is toxic.
@cortney09 (1345)
• United States
29 Nov 08
I have no clue what that is. It sure doesn't sound very good though. And why it would be in chocolate, I have couldn't even begin to guess. It really makes me want to be extra careful about what kinds of food I eat.
@cortney09 (1345)
• United States
30 Nov 08
Very true. It makes me wonder what is safe and what isn't.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
29 Sep 08
i'm not for sure but when i saw the word melamine i thought of those plastic dishes they use to make. don't know if that's the same thing or not.
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I had never heard about the plastic dishes ANTIQUELADY but you are the second or third person here who has mentioned it in their reply. Do you know anything else about the plastic dishes and what company made them? Just wondering. Thanks for the reply.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
29 Sep 08
they were really popular back in the olden days as my kids call when i was young. i had a set of them just about everybody did. i'm sure they were made by different co. but i have n idea who.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
29 Sep 08
they were also called melmac. u might find something on the computer about them. don't think i want that in my candy.
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I used to own a set of Melamine dishes. The were a hard plastic. Here is what one website says about melamine.
"Melamine is an organic compound that is often combined with formaldehyde to produce melamine resin, a synthetic polymer which is fire resistant and heat tolerant. Melamine resin is a very versatile material with a highly stable structure. Uses for melamine include whiteboards, floor tiles, kitchenware, fire retardant fabrics, and commercial filters. Melamine can be easily molded while warm, but will set into a fixed form. This property makes it ideally suited to certain industrial applications.
Melamine resin is manufactured by mixing urea with formaldehyde under heat and pressure. The substances begin to polymerize and are forced into a mold which will create the desired shape. Under pressure, melamine releases water, which could make the plastic unstable if it is not removed. The materials finish polymerizing and create a finished product, melamine resin.
Melamine resin is known as a thermoset plastic, because the plastic is fixed after molding. If exposed to enough heat, melamine will melt. For this reason, melamine dishware should not be exposed to high temperatures like those in the oven and microwave. However, the plastic is able to withstand higher temperatures than other plastics. Because it is a thermoset plastic, melamine resin is difficult to recycle." http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-melamine.htm
A component of melamine - formaldehyde - a chemical which is toxic and known to cause cancer and other types of health problems. I wouldn't want any of this stuff in my body. My brother just sent me a link that talks about the candy having melamine in it and to avoid such things coming from China. I'm to the point I want to avoid anything coming from China!
@BigBadWolf_aus (140)
• Australia
9 Oct 08
Some chocolates combined with milk containing melamine is already mixed with melamine. So I better take precautions on eating chocolates and if I'm at the stor to buy chocolates, I'll check its ingredients before buying if it contains some artificial sweetener and of course, to look out for "melamine" :)
@koalatbs (2229)
• United States
9 Oct 08
Yes, definitely be very careful when buying and eating chocolates BigBadWolf_aus! I am just very glad that they finally discovered it in the Cadbury chocolates that were being made in that factory in China. Hopefully this will put consumers and the people who inspect the chocolates on high alert and they'll be more cautious and stricter in their inspections.