Yet one more example of why religion and politics should be separate.
By mmiller26
@mmiller26 (1930)
Canada
October 1, 2008 10:43am CST
SUDBURY — Police are investigating whether an independent federal candidate committed a hate crime by telling high school students homosexuals should be executed.
David Popescu was invited to participate in a federal candidates' discussion at Sudbury Secondary School yesterday. He made the comment after a student asked his opinion of gay marriage.
Within hours, the Greater Sudbury Police Service said they were investigating.
Here is the link to the article: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/CanadaVotes/2008/10/01/6941636-sun.html
This person blames our current environmental and economic problems on the "wickedness of society". When asked about stem cell research he claimed that God would punish those who had abortions. And when asked about his position on gay marriage he said that homosexuals should be executed! Not only is he standing up and saying something that's inflammatory and incredibly hateful, but he was saying this to a group of 15-18 year olds who are likely struggling with their own sexuality and identity as a person.
Do you feel he should be forced to resign? Do you think our politicians should be allowed to wave their bibles and spew hatred in the name of religion? Or should they have to check their religion at the door and make policy based on what's in the best interests of the people?
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15 responses
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
1 Oct 08
Well...he is a politician so what more can you expect out of him? Sorry small joke. I am not sure if I would rather have a politician who speaks what they really think (at least that way its out in the open for everyone to see) or those who provide lip service and than do it the real damage behind closed doors.
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
1 Oct 08
The more I think about this the more i have to say I wish all politicians were like this guy we would be able to sort through the barrel of bad apples real quick if they all ran at the mouth.
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@II2aTee (2559)
• United States
1 Oct 08
The completion of fools will destroy them.
I think that more important than this mans comment, would be the childrens reaction.
I would like to thank this man for being the poster face of hate speach, and teaching these kids a valuble lesson. They learned exactly how dangerous religious wackos can be when put in a position of power.
By saying something so hatefull, he set a perfect example of how NOT to act. This man is the voice of a very dark aspect of his generation. And yet even a child would be able to determine that killing anyone is not right, regardless of how strongly you disagree with them.
I have alot of faith in our younger generations... and we can thank men like David Popescu for pushing them to the good side.
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@mmiller26 (1930)
• Canada
1 Oct 08
You're right. This man taught these kids a bunch of lessons. He certainly taught them how difficult it is to live one's life as a homosexual. Anyone who believes that being gay is a choice would do well to read this man's words and understand that no one would choose to live in fear of being beaten or killed because of who they love.
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@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
1 Oct 08
I am a primary school teacher and so I know must be careful about what I talk about to the children in my class. I know that if a person gives a talk to teenagers he or she must also be careful about what they say. I know school policy and no educational environment would want words like that to be delivered to young people. I have taught at a Roman Catholic school and even though that wasn't my religion I was respectful to it. I wouldn't have taught ideas that were not approved by that religion's faith. Religion and politics should be separate. The politician should receive a warning after saying such hateful things to the teenagers. I respect other people's choices and think if a person is gay that is their decision which is fine. Personally I wouldn't have an abortion but many ladies do. It is their choice and lots of them later in life regret their decisions. Teenagers should be told facts and with guidance make up their own mind what is right and what is wrong. Having bad ideas put into their heads will only confuse must teenagers.
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@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
1 Oct 08
All I'd like to add here, is Please don't judge all Christians according to the stupidity of many.
Many who say they are Christians are not. We are for the most part peace loving folks, who do our best to not be hateful, or judgemental in our conduct towards others.
If one truely wants to please God, that person will not act or speak quickley in situations, but at least stop and consider how he/she would represent the Lord in such situations.
Separation of church and state is a joke, and people need to be willing to at least listen to things said. After all, if we are secure in what we believe or choose to not believe in, what harm is there in politely listening? If one disagres, they can simply say so, and refuse to be involved in the conversation after that. There can't be an argument, if one is able to just stop having to have the final word. 'nuff said.
@jerzgirl (9291)
• United States
2 Oct 08
Absolutely - ANYONE who advocates for the annihilation of any segment of society because that person is opposed to something about them needs to NEVER be a government official. Didn't HITLER advocate the annihilation of the Jews because he felt they were the cause of society's problems (or that's what he claimed, anyway)? So, no - this person needs to be gone, better sooner than later!
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@zhuuraan (961)
• United States
1 Oct 08
I think if possible politicians should drop their religion, but sadly that is impossible for most human beings. That was really wrong of that person to do that though and they need to keep that crud to themselves. To be honest, and this is not meant as a religious slur, but I thhink that we would be better with an agnostic or atheist president and and senators from various walks of life, not only predominantly christians, especially the biggoted ones. I believe that the christian senators should be the ones who are more genuine and follow the "Thou Shalt Not Judge" teaching. There are also people from a variety of other religions in this country and if the senate is predominantly christian, they have no or very little representation, which completely rules out freedom of religion if everyone in the country has to follow the word of christian senators. I think more agnostics and atheists should be in the senate as well, for the simple fact that a more wide variety of interests would be represented. This way, politics are not poisoned by a single belief. If people could drop their beliefs at the door then that would be good, but they can't. Our beliefs always influence our decision and you can't expect people to change their ways while they sit in the office. Rather we need people who will not throw their religion down the people's throats. I don't like how Bush and a bunch of others say "god this" "god that" it's annoying. It's especially annoying when people like him use their warped interpretations to justify their actions, which would even be considered pretty terrible by most christian definitions, the very relgion he is trying to use to justify them. It's kind of like the in god we trust argument though. A lot of opeople think it should be yanked off because this country claims freedom of religion, yet that's another way the government shoves christianity down our throats. I personally agree with that notion. Anyway, rant over, for now!
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@soooobored (1184)
• United States
1 Oct 08
This guy is a total mess, and he has the face of a serial killer.
I don't know whether or not he broke any laws (I feel like he must have, but I don't really know!), but I'm sure schools won't be inviting him back any time soon. If he had any dignity, he would resign. But then again, if he had any dignity he wouldn't have made those comments.
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@mmiller26 (1930)
• Canada
1 Oct 08
The Sudbury police are investigating to see if they can charge him with committing a hate crime. I can't tell if I'm more upset that this person said these things or that there are those who agree with him. I don't necessarily believe in freedom of speech as a whole. Telling a group of kids that it should be all right to execute an entire group of people is so far from okay. And to some sick individuals, he might be someone to look up to and emulate. Encouragement to commit murder is certainly a crime. I generally feel that Canada is a free, peace-loving country where people are free to be who they are. And the idea that someone like this is running for election and however small the chance, thinks he could be elected, makes my blood run cold. The idea of people using their bibles as a weapon to commit a form of genocide makes me ill.
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@soooobored (1184)
• United States
4 Oct 08
Cyntrow, I understand the right to free speech. But the right to free speech doesn't undermine good manners and being appropriate. I could go to a grocery store and discuss bowel movements in the meat aisle, but I don't. This guy needs to exhibit more class and common sense, and if he just can't because he doesn't have any, he shouldn't be in public office.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
4 Oct 08
The guy's an idiot at best.. but we have to be careful in battling an intolerance that we don't foster another.. I don't know any christians who believe the way this guy does.. though of course many are concerned for the preborn and though in favor of full civil union rights, want to keep the institution of marriage in society as being one man and one woman.. This of course doesn't make them evil and they do feel their view is better for humanity and social structure (they are actually more concerned about marriage becoming groups, what with being traditional family oriented, than they are about homosexual unions) just like those for the freedom to terminate the preborn think their view is best for humanity.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
4 Oct 08
Actually I do believe religion and politics should be 'separate' but not separate from life.. Therefor atheism should not be taught in our schools either.. for it is not supported by science www.inner-monastery.com/evolution.html
Adult stem cell research has produced 93 benefits! Embryonic stem cell research has produced none. Very few people realize that.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
5 Oct 08
hi! the 'anti-evolution' website is my summary of some of what I have learned by studying science rather than merely accepting the popular theory of modern man we are forcefully taught, which not only is not supported by science, but science very strongly refutes (and disproves) it.. Therefore (atheistic) evolution is a belief, and it should not be exclusively mandated in our educational system, as that makes it a state religion/belief. I think the theory SHOULD be taught, but with all the questions and problems included! Not taught as imperial fact when it is nowhere near proven to be that. (But most people don't know that.)
@soooobored (1184)
• United States
4 Oct 08
You say atheism should not be taught in school, and linked to an anti-evolution website?
As for atheism, I'm not going to touch whether or not that should be taught in schools. Evolution absolutely should be!
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
2 Oct 08
He has the right to say what he feels. We don't have to put up with it. I think his ignorance is his own problem. I would never deny and imecile the right to speak their mind. If they can't than I can't.
Hate crime laws should not include speach.
@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
2 Oct 08
I hate to support this guy, but really, even to kids this guy has a right to say what he wishes. Now once he is done someone should have told the kids that his view was an example of an extremists view that runs in the same vein as terrorists hold extreme views. Now if these kids were in grade school that's one thing, but highschool is supposed to start exposing the kids to the world.
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@mmiller26 (1930)
• Canada
2 Oct 08
I don't mind so much that he said it, because yes, he's entitled to say whatever he wants. It's the fact that he said it to a group of kids that bothers me the most. These are kids who are just starting to come into their own sense of their sexuality and here's someone telling them that if they are of a certain orientation, they shouldn't have the right to live. That can be extremely damaging. And being an adult and lobbying for a position of power, there's a bit of influence that he may exert. I wouldn't want my child being influenced by what this man says, thinking he's correct, and then have my child go and act out his aggression on someone who is gay or is perceived as being gay.
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
2 Oct 08
This guy is crazy. I can't believe he'd go on and say something like this in a room full of teenagers, but then again, crazy people like this don't care what they say and to whom they say it too. I think however it was in poor taste for him to make a comment like that in a room full of 14-18 year old students.
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@annjilena (5618)
• United States
2 Oct 08
yes i think he should resign what a bad thing to say to our children they don,t deserve him in office at all.they should not wave the bible between politic as you said it should be left at the door based on the interest of the people.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Oct 08
What a scum bag disgrace to humanity! I have to admit my initial reaction to this story was to say this jerk deserves the same punishment he was advocating for others but then my common sense prevailed. I have to give a lot of credit for that to my friend cyntrow, who can relate to this topic on a personal level as you may know, who pointed out that taking away this man's freedom of speech isn't the answer. I think what should happen is everyone should pay very close attention to all of our political leaders at all levels and no matter where we live and make sure nobody like this idiot ever gets into any kind of power. I may not have read every single post here thoroughly but I do know there was at least one where the poster said the guy was actually right but just went about it the wrong way, or something to that effect. I can't express how scary I find it that there are some people who would actually proudly give their vote to someone like that! Not to cross that line between religion and politics, but if even one person in our country with those kinds of views were to get elected to public office God help us all!
Annie
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@mmiller26 (1930)
• Canada
6 Oct 08
I completely agree. We need to be vigilant so people like that never get into positions of power.
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@spiderlizard22 (3444)
• United States
2 Oct 08
I agree religion and politics should be separate. There will be problems if the government favor one religion over another.
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
2 Oct 08
Yes I think he should be forced to resign as he is not someone you want in government making laws that govern our lives. He has give these students a bad message. They may learn from this how not to be but if any of them are gay they may well learn to fear what they are or think that there is something wrong with them.
I am not sure about checking religion at the door. It is only by speaking their minds that you learn who these dangerous politicians are. Better to have him speak his mind and expose himself this way than to keep it hidden and work to undermine our freedom.
@bournecaindelta (2477)
• India
2 Oct 08
Are there people like these?? I had heard about them, but this is the first time I'm reading about it. This is not so uncommon in a secular country like India, where each day one religious party is telling people that their religion is better. And the other religion should be annihilated. On reason I have stopped listening to BS about religion. Politicians should worry about the country as a whole. Not a sect or section of people. Or people belonging to their religion.
bourne
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
8 Oct 08
No religion should advocate hate and intolerance. I think that this politician should resign. Nobody in an authority should advocate hate towards a minority such as homosexuals.