The end of capitolism in america as we know it
By xfahctor
@xfahctor (14118)
Lancaster, New Hampshire
October 3, 2008 12:32pm CST
Well, it's a done deal. that krap-garbage piece of junk socialist BS that was being called legislation has just passed the house by 236-171.
Anyone who saw this bills knows what a sweeping change it is for this nation. as well, you should know what the long term effects will be and the potential depression we could be facing over this. YOu should know the economic power we just blindly handed a tiny handfull of people. I suggest we bow our heads in mourning for the loss this nation just suffered at the hands of our leaders and then, consider your vote carefully this november.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
3 Oct 08
This just makes me want to not vote for either McCain or 0bama. 3rd party anyone?
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@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
3 Oct 08
I am actually kind-of leaning that way myself. Maybe it is time to get BOTH the elephants and the jackasses out of the White House. Then again, most politicians are a*ses anyway LOL
I am definitely thinking of voting for some 3rd party candidate, but I have no idea who. It may end up being a wasted vote, if there is such a thing, but I don't feel that McCain OR Obama are worth voting for. McCain is just going to be a continuation of the Bush Administration...and a vote for Obama (or any other democratic candidate for that matter) will be a vote for socialism. Neither one of them is worthy of the job. To be honest with you, I really don't care who gets it as long as Obama is defeated, but I agree that it may be time for a TOTAL change in parties on this one. I don't know how successful a 3rd party president would be, because you are still going to have the Democrats and Republicans running the whole show as far and the House and the Senate are concerned, but electing a 3rd party would hopefully send a message to the democrats and republicans that we are tired of all the crap...
I guess we can all be thankful that Hilary didn't get the nod as the democratic nominee. Then again, she already ran the country for eight years while Billy-Bob was banging interns like a screen door in a hurricane, and the economy wasn't half bad at when Clinton left office. I still don't think she was right for the job this time, though. I think she would have done WAY more harm than good...
SO, Yes...I am definitely going to start looking at some third-party candidates...any ideas or recommendations?
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
4 Oct 08
Responding to this post I feel something like a lone cowboy trying to circle the wagons at Wounded Knee.
I often wonder if right-wing Americans have the faintest idea of what socialism is, since they seem to label anything that doesn't promote dog-eat-dog free market fundamentalism as socialist. This bill, as far as I can see, is designed to stop the collapse of major finance systems in the USA, on the grounds that such a crash would negatively affect the whole economic system, with the very real threat of massive unemployment, bankrupties, home losses, savings losses, and a return to the soup kitchens of the Depression. I'm all for it, since to my disgust the "wonders" of economic globalisation mean thet the economic system in my country will also be negatively impacted by the collapse of the US economy.
It has its drawbacks, I'll agree, not least of which is that it allows those "reptiles of uncommon greed" who populate the banking and finance sectors of the globl economy to survive to exploit another day. But rather that than have the rest of the (relatively) innocent population suffer as they undoubtedly will.
But I agree with one thing some of you said: Vote 3rd party, come on Nader.
Lash
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Oct 08
I used socialism as a generic term i guess, for lack of a better one. What this did was transfer wealth in to the hands of a central government body. it even further nationalized an already nationalied banking system, but at least before, the assets, bad as they were, were held by private interetsts, allbeit, greedy interests.
The draw backs are, that the money used to by these assets doen't exist. we have to create it. Unfortuneatly, the money that is going to be "created" is backe d by worthless paper assets. We're essentialy propping them up using hope. This little bit of hocus pocus comes with dangerous consiquences,that being sky rocketing inflation, a devalued dollar and even greater debt. The only ones who are going to benefit from this are the ones we bought the assets from.
As for 3rd party, you betchya! Constitution party 08! Baldwin is a bit of aconspiricy theorist, but after this last week, I cannot in good concience vote for either of the big brands.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
4 Oct 08
Inflation is a problem, but we've had double figure inflation in the past (80s) and survived it. Perhaps it's the lesser of two evils.
As for the US dollar, a lot of people have considered for some time that it is overvalued, so a downward adjustment is probably overdue. It will make my Playboy subscription a bit more expensive, but hey ....
Lash
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@CherylsPearls (1269)
• United States
3 Oct 08
I don't think we just became like Russia, but I think we are well on our way to becoming a Socialist country, especially if the democrats have their way...
It's not just the Democrats. Admit it and get over it. McCain was one of the ones leading the way.
@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
3 Oct 08
I don't think we just became like Russia, but I think we are well on our way to becoming a Socialist country, especially if the democrats have their way...
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
3 Oct 08
A week ago I was somewhat for it and before the vote I was against it. Am I still am but now there's really nothing that can be done except not vote for the people that voted for it. Has that been released as of yet? I know that my House rep has voted against it everytime she's a Democrat.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Oct 08
YEAS
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@dlbruce85 (110)
• United States
3 Oct 08
Hi xfahctor, I'm new to the forums and am very politically motivated. It's nice to meet you. My gripe about all this is the central bank the Federal Reserve Bank, they are the root of this problem, as our forefathers warned us. Regardless of how you feel about 9/11,etc. The important thing is we get someone in office who abides by our Constitution, and you must admit, there are holes in the 9/11 story that need to be filled, whether it was a conspiracy or not. The government owes it to the public to atleast allow a real investigastion into the largest "foreign" attack on our soil in history. It was UnConstitutional for Bush and his administration to stonewall the investigation, regardless of personal belief on the subject. We have awakened this morning a new nation though, as our government has printed over 700 billion dollars that we will have to pay for through inflation, and given it to private banking institutions. That is fascism by it's most simplistic definition. We now live in the United Banks of America.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Oct 08
hey bruce, welcome to mylot. thanks for responding. I'm not really a 9/11 truther or anything myself, but I know not everything was answered. while I don't believe the government, or the rockafellers or other such foilks were behind it, I do know there was some gross negligence involved and things were ignored that allowed it to happen, in short, we turned our backs on the wrong people and got sucker punched.
I think I'm supporting Chuck Baldwin this election, I was leaning McCain, but the vote in the senate told me all I need to know.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
3 Oct 08
Looks like our free trade just became less free. This will forever change how things are done. The government now will feel they have a right to mess with free trade (if I can call that anymore). Watch, over the next few years you will see them mess with it even more. This is just the beginning. Personally I can not bring myself to vote for McCain or Obama. Not voting is not an option. I will probly write in Ron Paul because at the end of the day I still believe he is the best man for the job and someone we desparately need to save this country and its freedoms.
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@CherylsPearls (1269)
• United States
3 Oct 08
Interesting video, x, but I wish he would have said "who" was making the threats instead of leaving it up to everyone's imagination.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Oct 08
One of the odd paradoxes, is that oil is backed by dollars. The price of oil is going to plummet. I have been predicting that for several months now and if you look, the last several weeks, it has in fact plummeted and I am predicting it will continue.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
4 Oct 08
I'm mostly against anything that gives government complete control over something that belongs in the hands of the people.
That said, there always should be safe guards and rules in place because people do hurt eachother...and often.
But the bail out itself, as several have said...will most likely lead to a worse economy than we already would've had.
This is definitely the beginning of a bad period of our history as a country. Though of course I agree that it's been a potential event in the making for a long time coming.
I hear you're voting third party now? Awesome, xfahctor.
Personally, I wish Ron Paul was still in the race...since he's predicted this crisis years back and in Congress he's been one of the lone voices speaking against everything that creates inflation (including this bill).
But if wishes were horses..right?
Bleh. The future. Quite a dismal outlook, no?
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Oct 08
Well, the silver lining is that many a good revolution has risen from the ashes of just such catastrophies. Yes, I am going 3rd party. Ron Paul has given his official endorsment to Chuck Baldwin. I wish Paul was running, becuase although I disagread with his foriegn policy, he was one of the very few who was running on true constitutional principals. Baldwin is a conspiricy theorist, but at least he holds the same values as Ron Paul did.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
3 Oct 08
One of mine voted yes, one voted no. Guess Dennis Moore lost himself at least one vote.
@wa2nlinux (179)
• Indonesia
4 Oct 08
I believe this is starting point where USA will be not dominant anymore in the world.
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