I can hardly believe what schools are doing now!
By dragon54u
@dragon54u (31634)
United States
October 5, 2008 9:40am CST
My 15 yr old great nephew does NOT know how to write cursive! They don't teach it in school except as applied to a signature. He prints EVERYTHING!
This is disturbing to me. Working carefully on good cursive handwriting teaches motor skills and hand/eye coordination like video games can't. It teaches a child to be proud of his improving skills and also that practice improves one's skills.
I can't believe they did this. Soon our children will have no skills whatsoever!
Do you think it's right to teach a child to print instead of write in cursive?
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30 responses
@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
5 Oct 08
In all honesty, cursive writing is NOT that important in the real world. Sure, you need to write your signature but that's about it. You don't need to write cursive in everything you do. Teachers, especially teachers of young children don't need to write cursive and in fact, if they did, their children would be extremely confused about what was being said. I think it's important they learn how to write cursive passed their signature but I don't think it's important for it to be constantly pushed. Once you're out of school, it doesn't really matter anymore.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Oct 08
I believe that it is important. It trains a child to learn something beautiful, practice it and improve their skill. That's a very important part of growing up into a productive person. I'm glad you voiced your opinion, but we'll agree to disagree on this issue. Thanks so much for the response!
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
6 Oct 08
A signature is important though if you think about it...
You can't PRINT your name on your "Social Security Card", they want it done in cursive.
Most places won't go for just a printed name, they want a cursive signature.
Now when they decide to feel we don't have to sign in cursive on important documents to make it legal, then thats when I would say cursive isn't that important.
So many places when signing a document actually want a cursive signature.
So maybe your right in a way, but all schools should at least teach them how to write their names in cursive. Because for some reason, it's not a signature unless it's cursive.
@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
6 Oct 08
Yes that is what I meant. You do need to know how to write in cursive as that is your signature and that is needed to sign for things. However, my point was, cursive in the grand scheme of things is not that big of a deal or a huge skill that needs to be honed and worked on tirelessly. It does need to be taught but after awhile, they just need to stop pushing it because there are other things they need to work on.
@dlbruce85 (110)
• United States
5 Oct 08
I graduated high school in 2003, and I can tell you by my experience, public schools are a joke. I was a straight 'A' student until 10th grade, when I realized I could slack my way through without doing half of the work. I was a kid, so I took advantage of this. I had people in my senior English class who couldn't read at a 6th grade level. Several of my peers had inelligible hand writing. Most of the people in my classes had a hard time reading period, having to sound out each individual word carefully to get through a paragraph. I must admit, it was pretty pathetic. Personally, I always strived to learn more than what the school system taught me by teaching myself. Public schools are an embarrasment, and for a country that's so supposed to be one of the world's leading powers, our illiteracy rate is humiliating. I will argue the point though, that many video games have been attributed to better hand-eye coordination and problem solving skills. However that isn't a replacement for the basic academic fundamentals.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Oct 08
When my kids were small, they got a pretty decent education but around the 7th grade I had to start supplementing that education because they weren't learning basic things like history and geography and science. I worked with them and they're pretty well-rounded today but had I not, they'd be woefully undereducated. And we pay taxes for this?!
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@dlbruce85 (110)
• United States
6 Oct 08
My point was I was ahead in school and became bored. I didn't feel that I was learning anything that I hadn't already done a hundred times over. Yes I made a mistake by slacking off, but I feel the school failed me as well as my peers. Our literacy rate, supposedly is 99%, but as I stated before, many of my classmates in my senior year were unable to properly read at a 6th grade level. Sure, they can read and write basic words, so if that's considered literate then sure. Even at 99.0% we are behind at least 17 other countries in literacy ratings, including Ukraine, Russia, Cuba, and Poland. Our public schools are failing miserably. Most people in other "wealthy" nations know more about our own history than we do.
@Xane_Anstrit (34)
• United States
6 Oct 08
"Our literacy rate is humiliating"...We have a literacy rate of 99% for male and female. No country on Earth has a literacy rate of 100%. I'm not trying to insult you here but if you started slacking as a Sophomore that's pretty pathetic. Your response also didn't include anything about cursive being a necessity in life. Personally instead of cursive I'd rather learn about a higher math or Analytical Chemistry.
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@mansha (6298)
• India
5 Oct 08
I agree with you infact this happened to me but in a totally different way. My son had to learn the capital and small letters in print writing first then we had to move so we changed schools and then he had to learn cursive but after two years yet again we moved and in that school again he had to relearn to write in print letters.Cursive made you loose marks. It really played havoc with his hand writing and I had to go and fight with his teaher to let him write the way he writes and if she wanted cut his marks , I didn't care but the damage had been done already. My hubby's job is such that we finally moved from this school and now again poor thing is learning to write in cursive. He is in fourth grade now, I just wonder if its already too late.
Your case seems mutch worst then mine though.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Oct 08
It's so hard on kids when they have to change schools. The teachers could try to be a little more cooperative, couldn't they? Just tell him to do what his teacher wants and then you work with him on the other. Make it easy on him to succeed against his circumstances and he'll be encouraged.
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@schulzie (4061)
• United States
9 Oct 08
Wow! I can't believe that you said this because my 17 year old son told me the other day that he does not know how to write in cursive!
I cannot believe that! He said they showed him in 4th grade for a few weeks and that was it. He said that he has printed everything else since.
Of course, with computers nowadays kids type and print out their reports with Microsoft Word so they never have to write out a report in cursive anymore like we had to. Also, whenever I see his schoolwork or homework it is also always printed instead of hand written.
He told me the other day that he does not know his cursive alphabet. Can you believe that? He is almost an adult and I am going to have to teach him his cursive alphabet myself because the school has failed to do this.
I remember that when I was a child in school the classrooms had the alphabet written in cursive letters and printed and they were above the blackboards.
I just am in utter dismay at this. It is astonishing!
Have a nice day and happy myLotting!!!
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
10 Oct 08
It makes me angry that they are ignoring something I feel is important. What if we suddenly didn't have computers?! It's quite possible, as tumultuous as the world is now. I'm glad you're going to teach him, I think it's important to know cursive and it really improves find muscle coordination, too!
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
5 Oct 08
That's absurd!
What's next, not learning how to add 2+2 since we have calculators and computers that can do it for us?
If I still had kids in school and found they weren't doing this, I'd be talking to the school board or higher.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Oct 08
They are teaching math using calculators now. Get marching!
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@IrishRose23 (542)
• United States
6 Oct 08
I can clearly remember learning cursive writing when I was in the 3rd grade. Now, my daughter is in the same grade and they haven't taught her yet. I asked her teacher why she hasn't been taught, and come to find out, now they don't teach them until the 4th grade. So every now and then, my daughter and I will practice her cursive. It is important for the kids to learn cursive. Every thing in the world isn't just based on print, You have things in cursive, and in which you need to write in cursive, and you have print. And they have to know the difference.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
6 Oct 08
Yes, I think that's important. What's coming out in this discussion is that people think since we have computers for everything, learning to write is useless. I couldn't agree less!
I hope your daughter enjoys learning to write properly. You're a good mom for making sure she knows what she needs to.
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@CherylsPearls (1269)
• United States
5 Oct 08
That's unbelievable! I hope that schools across the country are not going to stop teaching cursive writing. That is just sad, really! Cursive writing is an art. There is just no excuse at all for not teaching cursive writing!
You know, it's always said that the new generation is smarter, but I have never agreed with that. I have seen so many children deprived of so many different things that I learned in school. I realize that they are learning to use computers and we didn't, but that is no excuse for not teaching them what they need to know. My daughter is 35 and she is always commenting that she would have been completely stupid if her grandmother and I hadn't taught her most things. Sadly, I think that is true.
You know, there is no such thing as learning too much. I remember learning semiphore and Morse Code. I never used it (except for playing), but at least I know what they are!
Why don't you get some other parents (or grandparents or anyone you can) together and go to the schoolboard? Or write a letter to your local newspapers? It might help.
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@CherylsPearls (1269)
• United States
5 Oct 08
That's great. It's wonderful of you to help out, too. I didn't mean that children were not as smart, although it did sound like that the way I worded it. I meant that they don't seem to have the opportunity to learn as many different things as generations before.
I found that my grandchildren love literature, but even my own daughter didn't realize how much until I started buying them classics. I had no idea they didn't still read the classics until I bought them all some one Christmas. It seems like the finer points of an education, like arts and literature, are the first things to go when school budgets are cut.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Oct 08
I'm not in that state. My niece is going to teach her son some cursive, she didn't realize that they weren't doing that. I teach the neighborhood kids basics when I can, like reading an old style clock.
Kids today are just as smart as we were but they're teaching them to let computers do the thinking for them. Their brains aren't being worked.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Oct 08
Well, that's a relief! It must just be Florida, then. Still, it's a very stupid policy.
@luvstochat (6907)
• United States
5 Oct 08
The schools here still teach cursive you start learning how to write cursive in the 4th grade. My son has really nice cursive handwriting. I wonder whey the shcools where you live don't teach cursive that is strange.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Oct 08
Well, my great nephew lives in Florida and that state is notorious for it's poor school system. I'm so glad my kids weren't raised in that scholastic environment!
@sameroad (3179)
• United States
7 Oct 08
i can barely write cursive myself... my teachers never taught it to me but i tried to teach it to myself... i wasn't very good lol but i know some letters.
i can't read it all that good either though in less its written nicely..
i think it should be taught still. i print everything but still, what if you need to know to write in cursive and something other then your name. because my name is the only thing i'm good at writing lol but it is not shocking to be honest... school have gotten worse and better in different ways.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Oct 08
A person can write cursive a lot faster than they can print. If we had no more computers or we had a major power outage for a few weeks, who would know how to write? The old ones, that's who, the ones everyone thinks is useless!
Cursive is pretty when you do it right. You can teach yourself more. I really think it's great that you learned on your own, you should practice more--write in a diary every night, that will help and probably give you a lot of ideas for discussions at myLot!
@peedielyn (1207)
• United States
6 Oct 08
I was learning to write in cursive back in the third grade. I am twice your nephews age and I feel for you. My son is learning how to write his name. He prints everything too and he's in 5th grade. The schools these days are so about advanced math, and computer techs that they don't show our kids the things that we learned. There aren't enough periods in a school day to show them how to write properly?? COme on! I learned how to type when I was in high school only after I was tested properly for knowlege in everything else. We weren't allowed to have extra curriculars back then unless we knew the basics. I feel for our kids now. I believe that because everyone is sliding on the "OLD WAYS" of doing things and that is why we have drop outs, kids graduating without being able to even read, teenage pregnancies and the list goes on and on. Hope you can get him to write, Love. This is a sad world. I once heard that idle hands are the devils handiwork. I believe that now. Our kids will be out to kill eachother, and doing bad things if we don't teach them HOW TO WRITE now. GOod luck!!
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@peedielyn (1207)
• United States
6 Oct 08
I got to thinking last night and then seen your comment. My step-mother was a witch when I was in school. She didn't allow us to even use calculators AT ALL! And I am talking about one of the math classes we had to take required the use of a calculator, as in, showing all the correct ways to store and recall calculus and trigonomotry formulas. The good part is that I can do it in my head and on paper before you can say algebra, but the bad part was, I was failed in that class because I wasn't allowed to use a texas instrument calculator at school or at home. My dad thought I failed because I wasn't good at math. I just failed because I didn't have the tools needed. SHe was a witch, but I don't hate her too bad. She still can't use one of those things, and I taught myself, and now I will be getting my masters in mathmatics technology because of her! Haha!
I guess this sucks because now my kids are going to be lazy in the future if I don't get them started on "manual learning" right away! Best of luck to ya!
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
6 Oct 08
They aren't learning any old ways, even math is taught with calculators. And what sense of accomplishment do they have? That they can push the right buttons on a calculator?! No wonder they drop out and look for validation, they have no sense of doing anything or being good at anything. Add the that the demise of the family and so many broken homes, it's no wonder there are gangs as replacement for families and drop-outs who feel the school is teaching them nothing.
Thank you for your comments!
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@GreenMoo (11833)
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7 Oct 08
Where I live, it is exactly the opposite! Children do not learn how to print before they learn to do 'joined up' writing, they learn beautiful manuscript immediately.
My poor son, who had learnt to read and write before we came here, although he printed, had to go back to writing pages and pages of handwriting exercises. All my neighbours have beautiful handwriting though, so I suppose it pays off.
I can't help but feel there's too much emphasis on it though. In these days of computers, handwriting is less important. I don't feel we should go as far as you've just described Dragon54u, where children don't learn proper handwriting at all, but there must be a happy middle ground. When I was at school in england we learnt how to print, then we moved onto joining the letters up. It seemed to work very well. Although my handwriting is pretty grim these days, that's primarily through lack of use (typing doesn't exercise the handwriting muscles!) and the fact that my brain always works so much faster than my hand can!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
8 Oct 08
My handwriting has suffered horribly due to typing so much, sometimes even I myself can't read it!
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@GreenMoo (11833)
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23 Oct 08
My Mum is one of the few people who can read mine when I get going and start writing too fast, There have been a number of occassions where I've had to pass her things and ask what I've written!
Perhaps the pair of us should have been doctors? Don't they joke about doctor's having the worst handwriting?
@VE3IYB (209)
• Canada
6 Oct 08
I have exactly the opposite problem! My son was taught cursive writing in K4 and they never taught him printing!. He went to a different school and they were appalled that he didn't know how to print. My son is in grade 6 now and his printing is bigger than it should be. Next year he goes into grade 7 so I suppose they will get him back to cursive writing.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Oct 08
It is very confusing for a young person to learn one thing, only to be told he should have learned another! I thought everyone was taught printing from kindergarten till around 2nd grade then start on cursive. It'd be nice if the school system would become standardized, wouldn't it?
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@VE3IYB (209)
• Canada
10 Oct 08
Well our son started out in a private school and we later found out that there were issues.
The school itself is known in this area fro pushing the envelope on learning and if you can't keep up too bad cause there are other students who can keep up. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and it is too bad that these people did not speak up earlier and let everyone know what was going on. Being a private school they are not regulated in the same way which was very unfortunate in my sons case.
He is in a main school system now and is doing better everyday.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Oct 08
What if the internet system collapsed, or some disaster happened? How would they take care of themselves or get information without knowing how to live without computers?! I worry.
@arthi_88 (1516)
• India
5 Oct 08
That's the point..Our children should be dependent on thier selves only...We are the one who control the computer and it depends on us...If children start depending on it then a complete generation is going to come with lack of creativity or and a mind of their own..
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
6 Oct 08
I think that every child should learn how to write in cursive. Even if they have horrible handwriting like I do, it makes it easier for him or her to get a signature and to join the letters together. I do not know much about motor skills, I must have it naturally because my handwriting has never been that good and I sort of do both, write and print at the same time. It is also hard to write some letters like r for instance, and a, and so if a child can master these, it is quite good.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Oct 08
It gives them a sense of accomplishment, they can do something pretty and compete with others for the best. Competition is not allowed much anymore because losing might damage the poor little self-esteem. So how are they supposed to learn to excel and make the best of their talents?!
@dsharat (456)
• India
6 Oct 08
Modern Schools are good for business people not for our children to study.Teachers in the schools does not have a good educational qualifications,no experience in teaching field.The just do what their officials tell them.The worst thing they do is they give full marks even when our child makes mistakes.If they give good marks,then the parents will come and question them.One of my relatives had a same situation.Their kid was in 1st class,he doesn't even know some small spellings like DOG and all..But he gets very good marks in dictation. When I told my uncle about this they asked the teacher,then the teacher said that she received some orders that she should give very good marks to all the students.Again they say that we cannot concentrate on each and every student in the class,thats why some mistakes happen.
Yeah I do agree that cursive writing improves a kids skills in presenting and all.But the school people should have the minimum sense that a kid should be used to write and read .No matter how the technology is developed.Once Kids are used to such things,then its very hard to make them learn after certain age.Now its print outs,Next it may be video's for classes and there will not be any writing in the exams too,because they make the students to tell what they know and they record in a disk or any other thing.Hope the education system get backs to the normal way it was before.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Oct 08
Oh, so you have that crap there, too?! Geez, it's spreading all over and I thought the United States was the only insane country!
Teachers here can give poor marks up to a point but nothing below a certain level, or they might damage the child's self esteem. And God forbid that they use a red pen when correcting the papers!! They might hurt the child's feelings and make them feel inferior!!
It's high time for stuff like this to stop. In protecting our kids' "self esteem" we are actually making them helpless, self-centered and dependent on others.
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@sunny69316 (638)
• China
6 Oct 08
Hi,dragon,
It is unbelievable!!I known the computer is all over the world,it is much more that learn to depand on computer,but,it is very important for children to learn cursive writing,that is basic skills for eaveryone!You should give some suggestion to the school,I support you 100% on this!Have a lovely day!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Oct 08
Thank you, I would if I lived there. It's about 800 miles away from me. I thought about moving there once with my children but decided I didn't want them in those schools and I guess I was right!
@Lee_Rites (845)
• United States
6 Oct 08
I have also read that some schools skip print and go straight to cursive. I don't know if that is true or not. My children's school teaches print and then cursive. It would not surprise me to know that some schools have stopped teaching cursive.
With the No Child Left Behind Act, it seems that a lot of schools have changed their curriculum to focus on the things the children will need to know for the standardized tests that they must take. I am sure that there are things other than cursive that will no longer be taught to allow more time to prepare students for these tests.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Oct 08
That No Child left behind program has done more damage than improvement. Now kids know facts but no knowledge or reasoning behind them.
Our country is being destroyed by those teaching our children. It's very sad. I taught my sons things the school didn't, thank goodness, and they're independent and knowledgeable. Many parents can't do that, we'll have a nation of idiots in about 20 years.
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@shoeb000 (321)
• India
6 Oct 08
In india, we are happy that we dont use Printing work at schools,
here, students are supposed to write it down on their own, in teir personal notebooks which they refer for exams.
using printing is good for students in PG colleges or for students in degree colleges.. not in school where student is in learning mode,
it will make them less skillful and less informed in comparison to students who dont use printing, because when you write by your own, you read each and everything, but when you take printouts, you dont care to read that at that momenent, most student read at exam time, so whatever is not covered by him during exam, he wont be having any knowledge about that.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Oct 08
I think you understand what I'm trying to say. You are right, writing is a good way to learn and to get something into your head. Our school system is all messed up. We fund research on fleas and the like easily, yet it's hard to get money for our children's education!
@montyortiz (11)
• United States
6 Oct 08
My daughter is currently in 7th grade and there are quite a few problems I have noticed about how they are teaching these days. As for the cursive, she actually was taught and still uses cursive on a daily basis, perhaps it has to do more with the actual school district. We live in Deer Park, TX, the schools are really good and ranked high among Texas school districts.
What I don't like is that they teach around the TAKS test, I'm not positive about the national extent of this test so I will explain. It is a comprehensive test that is supposed to guage the childs progress and unfortunately at intermitent levels the childs progression into the next grade can be dependent on them passing. TAKS stands for "Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills", so obviously this particular test is confined to Texas but your state may have a similar program.
The teachers are required to teach the test and not skills in general, so our children are great at taking a multiple choice question and figuring out which answer is probably the right one, especially in math, but they have very little grasp on the basic fundamentals. We had to spend over $4000 this year in tutoring just to get our daughter to the level in math that she could comprehend the new things she would be learning this year. They give very little personal attention when it comes to fundamentals and are only concerned with "can this kid pass the test". By the way, don't let me forget to mention that the teacher's bonuses are based almost solely on the percentage of their class that passes this test on a yearly base, even if it is not a mandatory test for that particular grade, which I believe it is in 5th, 7th and 12th, or something like that.
I have had multiple discussion with friends, but I thought it would be great to get opinions of many more people and see how other states and communities are fairing when it comes to standardized tests.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Oct 08
Wow, that's a horrible way to teach kids! When I lived in Arizona, we had the same thing. Kids could rattle off answers that were on the test but if you asked them anything related to the subject you got a blank stare. They'll teach facts but not the reasoning behind them. We're raising a nation of idiots these past 8 years thanks to "no child left behind". It was a good concept but is horribly applied and mismanaged!
To think that we do these things to our greatest resource, our future, the ones we should love and protect and encourage.
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