Can anyone prove that Fox News is a dishonest network?
By Taskr36
@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
October 9, 2008 6:57pm CST
I'm wondering since it's clear that the liberals here seem to think that Fox News is some anti-liberal, pro-conservative network that only shows the conservative point of view, and NEVER tells the truth. If I cite 5 sources to prove a point, and ONE of them is from Fox News, a liberal will ignore the facts, and the other four sources, just to scream at me about how evil Fox News is. When I bring up things I've seen in the media, I get accused of ONLY watching Fox News just because I'm a conservative despite the fact that I rarely have time to watch TV at all.
So here's your chance. Prove to me that Fox is evil. Prove that it is biased. Prove that their articles lie. Their entire website is at your disposal.
http://www.foxnews.com/
FYI, don't just complain about Sean Hannity being biased. We're talking about the network, not just one guy who works for them.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
10 Oct 08
Let's see what ten seconds of Googling finds me:
"A new study based on a series of seven US polls conducted from January through September of this year reveals that before and after the Iraq war, a majority of Americans have had significant misperceptions and these are highly related to support for the war in Iraq.
The polling, conducted by the Program on International Policy (PIPA) at the University of Maryland and Knowledge Networks, also reveals that the frequency of these misperceptions varies significantly according to individuals’ primary source of news. Those who primarily watch Fox News are significantly more likely to have misperceptions, while those who primarily listen to NPR or watch PBS are significantly less likely." -- http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Oct 08
That doesn't prove anything Clarus. I do appreciate your effort and the fact that you provided a good source, but it's inconclusive statistical data. All it does is show a correlation. Correlation is not causation. If it were, I could argue that selling ice cream causes women to get raped. If you aren't aware of that study I'll link you to it. Now I have one small issue with the study itself. At least one of those misperceptions has to do with a person's interpretation of the facts, which is a decision reached by the individual.
"48% incorrectly believed that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found"
You'll notice that this is the most common misperception in their study. The reason is that there was a small bit of evidence of a link. This study was done in 2003 at which point there was no conclusive evidence to disprove the links, particularly the meeting of an Iraqi official with Mohammad Atta.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2004/bush_contradicted_on_iraq_al_qaeda.html
With such information, I feel that it was rather presumptuous of them to treat it as though that was a factual misperception when the evidence available made it quite believable for it to be true.
At best, the study proves that there are more Fox News viewers with misperceptions, but doesn't prove that Fox News has ever given them false or biased information.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
10 Oct 08
I don't use the word evil, and I prefer not to single out networks...because they're all guilty of some crap over recent years.
I'm sorry you've been getting a hard time. I cite most of the networks when the occasion calls for it...at some point or another, and try to apologize to people for linking them to mainstream sources when it does happen.
However, if you want evidence that ANY particular mainstream media network is...um..not always trustworthy I recommend some 'net searching on the Pentagon Propaganda program. (Which basically is stuff that came out over the last half of this year that says the government has occasionally paid the mainstream media to lie to us. Though mostly when it comes to Iraq than much else.)
*tips my hat to ye*
Good day, Task.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 Oct 08
Thanks for the response. Obviously no news network is without fault. I just get sick of the people who act as though Fox News is the conservative equivalent of the National Enquirer. Granted, I've even seen liberals use Enquirer articles on mylot to attack Sarah Palin.
If anyone looks at the articles on their website, they're typically the same topics with the same facts as other sites like cnn.com. Obviously the opinion pieces are different, but those are opinions.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
10 Oct 08
I suppose they can't be bothered to look up alot of numbers which'd settle the argument? Fox technically has the most conservatives on it than any other network, but some would be surprised to know that it is not exclusively right leaning.
CNN tries and fails to even the whole thing. MSNBC tries and is SLIGHTLY more successful...but in the end...*shakes my head*
Part of the problem is, and heavens me I'm trying to lessen the anger toward the mainstream with my explaining here..._
Is that people from either side, that're pretty extreme will try to claim that somehow each network is somehow more leaning toward one party or another as if that's a main factor of truth...when it's really just zealotry and bullsh**.
Unfortunately, I can't tell you where and when this started.
Some people on the networks themselves sometimes play into this bit, or encourage it -- or so it seems to me.
And the unpleasant pattern of faults, is not an even one, or an orderly one...which makes the whole thing even harder to get people to settle down about.
So really, I feel ya man. I don't like alot of the crap that spews out really.
I try to avoid it altogether, but people seem to gravitate toward the sensational.
It's what sells, it's what grabs attention...so it'll probably always exist in some form or another, regrettably.
As for opinions, well, sometimes we want opinions and other times we want the news.
I have a bigger beef with opinions that masquerade as the news, but I digress lol, because it really does scatter across the spectrum of mainstream television and internet.
If I see someone biting your head off in the future on this issue, I'll have to be sure to point them out to this discussion, huh? No need for more hyper political crap that doesn't even matter, we've ENOUGH of that to wade through as it is.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
12 Oct 08
Actually, numbers came out this past April that people who watch The Colbert Report and The Daily Show are the most informed people over all other news networks.
I reckon it's because they tend to mention more stuff that the rest of national television tends not to.
Kenny: I despise all mainstream news networks. ALL of them. They ALL lie, they all have bias. I'm an alternative news junkie, which means most of my current events know-how comes from online. Takes up alot of my time, and is technically a job I don't get paid for...but I end up more informed and get to growl at my television every time it's on.
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