If someone give you a favor, would you be thinking of returning one to him ?
By torchablazed
@torchablazed (3218)
Philippines
October 10, 2008 5:54am CST
It is considerable to note that in my culture if someone gives you a favor or you give someone a favor, one would consider it a debt or an owe and in any way, you one had to return it, we call it locally as "utang-na-loob". I was wondering if this is the same to any culture or race for that matter. Was this an individual thought or just us ?
Personally, do you do this?
Please share.
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36 responses
@deeesfamilyvalues (318)
• United States
11 Oct 08
You know torchablaze, I always appreciate a favor. I may bot be consciously thinking about returning hat favor right away, but I there if anything is needed. Does that make sense? If they ask of me I would do it with in reason. I think it is so important for us to show people-everyone_how much we appreciate the things they do for us. Big or Small. I am not sure if it is a cultural thing, but in Wisconsin where I grew up it was kind of a "good ole boy" mentality. I think it is kind of like what you are explaining. I don't notice it as much here in Arizona. Funny how things are different in each place you live.
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@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
Yeah, there are really differences , thanks for the input dees... gee long username you got !
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@JOIEMARVIC (2335)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
yes i would.i considered it one of my purposes in life.and of course i would not mind being helped in return especially if i do need the help.helping each other is common.as the saying goes,no man is an island.no man can exist and live on his own.
we will basically sought for someones help at a certain point in our lives.and as return,we should do the same to those who needs our help.
@littleowl (7157)
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14 Oct 08
Hi torch'-if someone does a favour for me then I try to do one for them when they need it...or if I do a favour for someone I don't expect it in return as that is one thing that makes them happy and me for the giving..in our culture in the UK it is not always expected to return the favour but it is nice if you can...littleowl
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@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
It is better that way, unlike my country it is more of an obligation quite sad, it should be viewed a great value.
@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
11 Oct 08
I definitely like to pay back favours - but I don't ever ask for them if I can help it. I think it's courteous to do something nice for someone who does something for you - and also to send them 'thank you' notes for gifts or meals at their home. I don't think it's necessarily cultural in Australia - but it's certainly good manners.
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@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
11 Oct 08
It is a good act and you my friend is truly a treasure! Good for good that is.
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
11 Oct 08
YES, I was raised that if somebody does something nice for you, then it is just common courtesy to do something nice back to them. However, if I do something nice for them, I do NOT expect to get it back. I have found most people just expect you to do even more once you've done something for them!!!
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@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
That exactly should be the mindset, a favor when you give it, it is already given it is for the other person to respond whatever way he wants to. Afterall, sowing good deeds, reaps good deeds.
@Shandy14 (71)
• United States
11 Oct 08
In my opinion, it depends on the favor..If it is for or to borrow money, then yes, a favor or money needs to be given back. If it is for a charitable cause, then no, the favor should just be made. it is nice however to be able to give and get back when doing a favor.
Best Wishes~
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@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
It shouldnt be done as an obligation or something but returning one favor be done heartily. Its more of a give and take respond. Thanks for droppingby shandy!
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
11 Oct 08
In my country it seems as if people no longer feel obligated to return favors, as least not our young people. But I have a mental "favor bank" and when I do a good turn, they ask what they can do in return and I say I just put it on their tab and I may ask them for something later. I never do. But I have a lot of favors in the bank! When someone does me a favor I always repay it. I consider it on the same level as borrowing money, I've borrowed good will and it needs to be repaid.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
That is good to know, it is tough when a favour is repaid in a form of obligation and that totally uncool. I am glad dragon54u you have a lot of favor banks !
@sutanhartanto (4122)
• Indonesia
11 Oct 08
well, we have similarly cultural value in this regard. if someone give a favor to us, we will consider it as "utang budi", and we will try our best to pay it back.
personally, for me it's a little bit different. i will still very appreciate the person giving a favor to me, and i will try to pay it back, but it's not necessary to him alone. i means, i can give my "paying back" to him or to someone else in need. i also don't except the return if i give a favor to someone. i consider we are on the earth is a big family which have to help each other.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
That is what should be, sutan, the thing about giving someone is never to expect something in return to minimize heartache, like you said you wouldnt expect such a return whom you give one, glad to know your point of view.
@Hatley (163773)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Oct 08
torchablazed when someone does me a favor, I feel obligated'
to repay it,and I always find some way of repaying that
favor by doing one for him or her. I think most americans'
feel that way too.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
Its tough when we look at it as an obligation hatley, I think it is more of doing it heartily, I believe there is a fine difference on the two, glad you do repay one to someone, honestly I find it rare for people in our generation.
@bjcyrix (6901)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
I dont think hard enough or force it so that I would be able to say that we're even but whenever the person who did a favor for me asked for something in the future then I would gladly be of service to him/her as long as I can do it.
"Utang-na-loob"...that is probably the hardest and the longest debt anyone can ever have. I mean it doesnt have any monetary value, its for favors that has a lot of range from the simple getting a drink of water for someone to saving a life. I think once you are indebted to someone in the context of "utang-na-loob" you would be subject to them for as long as you live and for as long as you can do those favors even if you dont like to especially when the favors done to you are huge.
But then again thats just what I think.^_^
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
16 Oct 08
Exactly, we must be calculative enough if the intent of the favor would include binding us into some form of a long-term obligation we have to refuse right at the very first step of the proposed favor. Being cautious enables you to guard yourself and your family as a whole, we better must know to whom we are recieving a favor and giving the favor ... and hey, watched out for the politicians favors, lol.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
15 Oct 08
I totally agree on you on the utang na loob thing, that makes it bad in a sense that the extreme case of practicing favors and all, it is like your head is being attached to someone just because long before you or any of your family had once indebted to them/him, it is a sad side of our culture.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
11 Oct 08
Hi torch! Well, a favor for a favor! Hmmm, well in my country
it is not supposed to be expected that if you do a favor for
someone that you are expecting something in return. If you
are doing something for someone it is supposed to be
because you want to do it out of the kindness of your
heart and not expecting to get something back. But, most
of the time the person that gets the favor does feel like
they owe the person something and will usually do something
at some other time to make up for that particular act of
kindness.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
11 Oct 08
A kindess for kindness, it is always good to keep it by heart that we a good deed reaps good too. Its nice to know your one of those who have a good heart Opal, thanks for responding too.
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@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
15 Oct 08
good to know that, thank you once again my friend for your participation in this discussion.
@AndrewFreyne (6281)
• United Kingdom
11 Oct 08
I do believe in the idea of give and take! If someone does you a favour and helps you out in someway then I believe it is appropriate to be there for that person in their time of need. That's not to say that you should give in hopes of getting something in return, this would be totally false and ingenuine! I think giving and taking though makes the world go round, it makes the world a far better place! As crazy as this sounds, we all need eachother in someway. It's good to help others and it's also good to receive help from others. Andrew
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
The sad thing here in my country sometimes, it is almost always a case a favour should be return it is sometimes no longer a kindness thing but more of an obligation, I totally agree with you though, that we all need each other one way or another, but we do it out of a good conscience and a good heart. Thanks Andrew, you really have a great thought on this.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
11 Oct 08
Hi torchablazed,
Our culture says the same. There is no written law as such but we all know that when someone does something good for us, we must do something for him as well. Most do it out of compulsion though. All the give and take relationships have been working like that. You give one, get one. Having said this, when I do something , I do it from my heart and never expect anything from him. And trust me, that saves me from lot of hurts and pains. Expectation has no ends and we keep on expecting from others and get pains in the process. Selfless giving is what desirable and I would endorse that no matter what.
Thanks dearie.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
That is the secret right over there, everything that has to be done is by heart, heartily you give someone and in some extent it would be returned to you, although less expected such case doesnt tear ones heart especially when you are not counting what you have already given. Thanks mimpi for such a wonderful thought.
@annjilena (5618)
• United States
11 Oct 08
well iam grateful for the favor it,s not that i look to return it but rather i want them to know i will try my best to be there for them if they need me.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
That is such a wonderful way of viewing it and glad to know you are one of kind who do something for someone who did you once a kind act.
@patchmypal (344)
• Philippines
11 Oct 08
Hi! I'm Pinay, this "utang-na-loob" is very much Filipino. But regardless of culture, its human nature that folks return some favor or other towards someone who somehow have extended help in matters big or small. Personally, whenever I do ask a favor from someone, I know deep inside me that without really promising it or anything, I somehow would repay it back in whatever possible way. Have a nice day torchablazed!
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
The "bad side" though of our utang na loob culture is instead of being a kind value but become sometime a burden since it become already an obligation for another party, otherwise, if not return other negative response arises. Appreciate the thought.
@ldldld (9)
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11 Oct 08
hello,torchablazed,i have two answers about your question.first,if you'd like to be a really great person,you needn't any favour when you have given someone or favor.but we need the response in fact in our life ,for example,we must go working to change our food,etc.i think it is right that we need returning.but on the other hand,if the exchange of the favour between bestfriends is used to get some purpose,it's wrong.there are also the same things in my country,i don't like it.of course,we should give our favor to everyone who needs help in the world.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
I like your first answer, when you extend a favour or such sort of attitude, one doesnt necessarily had to expect a return. Only but a few people these days though honestly return a favor.
@superstef (64)
• China
11 Oct 08
in our cutlture, it's just like yours. if someone do you a favor, you always should return it back using maybe another ways. as for myself, i think it's important. it means we are friends. if you have a problem, i can help you and when i get into trouble, you can help me out. i think it's great.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
Honestly, I don't find it good in some degree especially to my culture, it becomes an obligation. Yes, indeed it should be returned but doesnt have to have be expected because it is an act of kindess, it is however, on the other person to view if he return it, if he values it and return the favor out of a glad heart then that makes it really great, this way, true value can be measured on both ends.
@chiaeugene (2225)
• China
11 Oct 08
yes, if someone had helped me in the past when i needed help, i would make it a point to do my utmost to help him when he is in need of assistance. i would extend the same to all my friends if they need my help regardless of whether they had help me in the past. we should not be calculative about helping one only if he had help us in the past, if not, this would defeat the meaning of friendship. like what we always said to our friends "what are friends for". there is a chinese saying translated into english as "in society, we rely on friends, at home, we rely on family members". so friends and family members are equally important in our lives.
@torchablazed (3218)
• Philippines
14 Oct 08
Yes, we need to cultivate such act of kindness, practice it to our friends and families and pass it over to the next generation, that way, human nature is seen as a force of love and kindness. Thank you for your response.