People still taking the fall for Obama
By clrumfelt
@clrumfelt (5490)
United States
October 10, 2008 8:24am CST
I just heard a story on CNN about the ACORN offices in different cities. These offices are registering the same people to vote mutliple times, are using fake addresses and fake names on voter applications and one office even registered the whole Dallas Cowboys team on their fake ballots(these ballots were in Indiana.) In all, they had found 2900 fake applications that has been filled out at one ACORN office, and there were still a lot more ballots there that hadn't been examined yet. The reporter ended by saying it is fraud and they don't yet know who is responsible for filling out those ballots. This leads me to believe that the election workers responsible will probably be prosecuted and perhaps Obama will not even be held accountable for this election fraud that is going on. I say Obama should be held to the fire on this and thrown out of the election. What do you say?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Oct 08
I'm not voting for either candidate but voter fraud is something that should be universaly faught against, no matter where the blame lays. While I don't think Obama condones this practice and I don't believe that he has anything to do with it, I think he should at the very least, publicly denounce the groups activities taking place almost in his name.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
10 Oct 08
Right you are there X. Democratic organizations are not the only ones party to this fraud. Voting is a privilege, and should be protected at all costs from all sides trying to fraud.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
10 Oct 08
Okay, I know you are against Obama being president. I have seen a lot of your discussions, being on your friends list, and they for the most part were intelligent. I passed them by because they didn't interest me, as far as getting into debate with you. But I see this one this morning and I have to say something.
This election fraud has nothing to do with Obama, and for the most part, nothing to do with ACORN really. I worked at ACORN during the 2004 election, and this was happening back then, BEFORE Obama even was a little blip on the radar.
I can tell you exactly what is happening, because I was a Quality Control Associate and saw it happen myself through checking the registration forms before they were sent to the Board of Elections in Ohio. Every year, Project Vote teams up with ACORN, who then hire a bunch of people who get voter registration forms filled out. There is no background check. These people are held to a quota of forms that they must bring in in order to get paid for the hours worked. Sometimes, there are unscrupulous people that fill the forms out themselves, that get forms filled out by friends that already registered, and other wrong things in order to meet their quota and get paid.
On top of this, there are people who don't really know the process, and fill out multiple forms because they haven't received their information, or moved since the last time they filled one out.
So yes, there is a degree of fraud, sad but true. But my question to you is, what does this have to do with Obama? Why should he be thrown out of the election because of this. He didn't start it, these people are not under his direction to do so, why should Obama come under fire for something he has nothing to do with?
If anything, ACORN should have to come under fire for their practices, make their screening more harsh, so they can get these people that are doing this out.
And on top of it all, if you really want to get someone for election fraud, try Bush. In 2004 electronic polling booths were introduced into a few states, one of them being Ohio. Even though the popularity polls showed Kerry a clear winner in Ohio, Bush won us on election night. You know why? Because the company that made the voting booths was owned by Bush. After working with ACORN, and then Working America that election year, I know for fact that Kerry should have at least won Ohio, but I am still to this day under the impression that whatever was put into the electronic booths, it came out Bush.
I'm actually disappointed in you Rumfelt. I never thought you would sink so low as to attack Obama by attaching him to an organization's practices simply because its a Democratic Organization. Please next time come better.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
10 Oct 08
Even though he may not have involvement with them now, does his past associations with them concern you? I'm not saying you partook in fraud, I would do nothing of the sort as I don't know you and have no reason to believe that you are a dishonest person, though I disagrea with you on ideology, you seem to be a pretty straight shooter and a decent person. But, Obama has in fact had great involvment with this group in the past, do you not feel now, given the things that have come to light, that he should at least make attempts to publicly denounce the activities taking place with in this group?
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
10 Oct 08
On the contrary X, I figure that he will at some point in the next few days now that it has come out. No matter how much involvement he has had with ACORN in the past, I seriously doubt that he was involved at such a low level. I believe that he was completely oblivious about this matter until now that it has come out, because none of the officials in ACORN really came to monitor at that level, which is the entire problem. ACORN is not monitoring what is going on with the bottom parts of the organization, and don't find out until its released as a scandal. This isn't trying to stack the cards in an election for a particular candidate, this is people trying to get money.
This discussion is titled people taking the fall for Obama, but the truth of the matter is, due to shoddy checks and balances in ACORN, Obama is taking the fall for some unscrupulous people.
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@drknlvly6781 (6246)
• United States
10 Oct 08
Oh, and since I was in Quality Control, I wasn't one of the people going out to get voter registration forms. All I did was verify the information on the forms once they were in the office, before they were sent to the Board of Elections. That was one of the ways ACORN was trying to stop the fraud. But anyway, I didn't get paid by how many I verified, I got paid straight hours. So on top of not wanting to commit fraud, there was no incentive to at my position.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
10 Oct 08
I think 0bama is less than honest about his true opinions and policies but that he would never directly order vote fraud himself. Sure, I suspect he approves of it, but his kind never directly get their hands this dirty. The underlings who do this need to be prosecuted and then maybe others will see 0bama will not rescue them when they do his dirty work and get caught. It is the only way I see to reduce the vote fraud. Put'em in jail.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
10 Oct 08
Even if he is not prosecuted it would surely be another black mark on his record for the voters to consider when casting their votes. Isn't Obama still on the board of ACORN? Shouldn't he be somewhat aware of what is going on in voter registration drives that operate under his campaign? It is unconscionable that he would not be held accountable for this in some way.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
13 Oct 08
If Obama is encouraging it or his campaign managers are encouraging these false ballots, then of course he should be held responsible. If McCain's managers did this, then it would be in the news and they would demand a recount. The title confuses me, do you mean that you are in favor of Obama and think he is being shafted or do you think that the people are falling for Obama?
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
14 Oct 08
I think Obama has a certain amount of disposables working in his campaign to give him plausible deniability when a scandal opens up. He will surely speak up and condemn "those responsible," throwing them out of his campaign so he can keep his hands clean from the scandals. I think it was part of the plan, and I don't think Obama is being shafted because he ultimately is responsible for what goes on in his campaign. He is responsible that criminals were hired by ACORN to register people and that they have dishonestely produced all the false ballots. It is making a mockery of the democratic process and I think not only should the workers be shown the door but that Obama should be held responsible and put out of the candidacy for it.