Who is running the Dirty Campaign?
By bobmnu
@bobmnu (8157)
United States
October 13, 2008 8:10pm CST
Over the weekend several people showed up at a rally for Gov. Palin wearing tee shirts accusing her of being a "H..." During the primaries there was a slogan that was "Bros before H..." By not condemning these slogans Senator Obama and his campaign was giving approval to them.
Senator Obama's camp has complained that "Joe Six Pack" and "Hockey Mom" are racist terms. However they are silent about comments made against their opponent. I guess they can dish it out but can not take it.
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@philjas (1134)
• United States
14 Oct 08
When in the world did Obama's campaign ever complain that "Hockey Mom" and "Joe Six Pack" are racist terms?
Anyway, the candidates are not responsible for what their supporters do or say, and on both sides you can always count on a minority of supporters doing horrible things that make the news. I think though that if we were going to count hateful things done by supporters, the McCain/Palin side would win. From the made-up stories about Michelle Obama being a racist to the claims that Obama wasn't born in the U.S., the hateful statements just recently of Palin supporters ("Kill him!", etc.), and the fact that some horrible people like Fred Phelps are supporting McCain/Palin. IF we were to judge candidates by their supporters I'd say Obama/Biden would win for their supporters being less despicable. Or at least having fewer despicable supporters.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Oct 08
"Who exactly is Joe Six-Pack and who are these hockey moms? That's what I'd like to know. ... Is that supposed to be terminology that is of common ground to all Americans? I don't find that. It leaves a lot of people out." -- Rep. Yvette Clarke
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
14 Oct 08
Many of the rumors of Senator Obama and his wife are due to their silence and the failure of the media to investigate the background of the Senator. When the charges were made against him that he was not born in the US the same charge was made against Senator McCain. The rumor of Senator Obama was fueled when his campaign produced a poor copy of his birth certificate which only fueled the rumors. About his being a Muslim, he should have come out in the very beginning and stated that according to the Islamic faith if your father was a muslim then you are a muslim, but when I was old enough to decide for myself I choose to be a Christian. His comments at the start of his campaign about people will tell you I am different, I don't look like them, and when he stated that he was a product of a white mother and black father and that he was running as a black candidate. I think he could have said i want to unite this country and I am running as an American.
I Can see where the rumors of Michelle being racist come from. She(an African American Studies Major) wrote a senior thesis and then requested that it be sealed until after the election. Bits and pieces leaked out and the rumors began. Their association with Rev Wright and his church did not help. I did find her thesis on the Internet
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2305083/PrincetonEducated-Blacks-and-the-Black-Community
and read it. In there one gets the impression that she believes in a separate Black Culture and that that is first and foremost. Being Black is more important than being an American. She was critical of Blacks who after college were intergrationist rather than separatist. Her research showed that after Princeton many Blacks were comfortable with Whites and Blacks and did not adopt the Black Values.
Senator McCain has tried to run a clean campaign. He as stated firmly that Senator Obamas religion is off limits. He has confronted supporters who have made personal attacks on Senator Obama and expressed his respect for Senator Obama.
Senator Obama on the other hand has encouraged or given credence to the hate. He did this by attending and addressing the DailyKos Convention. His actions have done nothing to discourage the comments being made by his supporters yet he gives legitimacy to one of the most hate filled groups on the Internet.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
14 Oct 08
Bingo, philjas. As is frustratingly-often the case, this discussion is an example of projecting onto the other side what your side is more guilty of. Classic Rovian tactic.
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@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
14 Oct 08
For anyone who thinks there is no racism coming from the McCain/Palin campaign's supporters, check out the "Obama monkey" proudly displayed by a McCain/Palin supporter at a rally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKUovpF9LWU
Neither McCain nor Palin has denounced the above. By your logic, that automatically means they are giving approval to it, and are also racist by association.
Isn't flawed logic fun?
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@sunshinedap (615)
• United States
15 Oct 08
For crying out loud. We ARE all different in some aspects. I thought that was something to celebrate. I am so tired of someone crying, "That offends me!"
We are all Americans, am I right? And if we don't come together and stop pointing fingers, I am afraid for this country. What happened since 911 when we were told to never forget? And we all came together at that time for a minute.
It seems to be forgotten.
And America is breaking down into separate race, religion, pro life, non pro life, feminist and non feminist, gay, or "what the hell ever I can complain that I am not being accepted for".
I honestly love everyone whether they believe as I do or not. I am Christian and not ashamed of that. I am republican and will be as long as the party stays conservative.
We've been living high on the hog, so to speak, because of a really great idea that the democrats (this came out of the Clinton administration) came up with that everyone should be given credit and everyone should have a house of their own. I agree with that. But the plan was bound to fail with all the bad mortgages that were given out and the bad credit. If someone has bad credit, how are they supposed to pay these institutions that are lending no matter how high the interest is?
It's had most of our country living outside their means for several years and it's finally caught up with all of us. Not one party or race or "because I deserve it."
I, myself, have been in this. Credit was just so easy...
@sunshinedap (615)
• United States
15 Oct 08
And I guess I missed the rally that had folks wearing disgusting tshirts about Palin. Wonder how Ferraro feels about that?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
14 Oct 08
This is the first I've heard of this, but it's not appropriate, I sure won't argue with you there. If the Obama campaign is even aware of these tee shirts they should speak out against them but I don't think something like this comes close to comparing with the things said by Palin or chanted by her supporters.
I also hadn't heard the Obama camp complain that "Joe sixpack" or "hockey moms" are racist terms but I have heard it said that they leave a great many people out and I find it a bit condescending. However, I'll admit I don't have a high opinion of Palin to begin with and considered her being named as V.P. as condescending and I think her "folksy" way of talking as being and her winking repeatedly at the debate her way of talking down to the working people she actually considers herself above. Sorry, I really don't like or trust her and no liberal biased journalist had to help me make up my mind, I did it all by myself from hearing her speeches and doing my own research about her record. She tries to say she's "like me" and she isn't like me or any other woman I know personally.
Annie
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@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
14 Oct 08
I don't think Sarah was talking to you specifically annie. In fact I think that the only thing you and Sarah have in common is a chromosome.
@freefogging (356)
• United States
14 Oct 08
It happens every election. You get down to the last few weeks and the mudslinging goes on at both sides. I've seen it go on in both sides of this campaing also. Both sides. I don't know why the candidates think this sort of behavior is going to buy them votes, because it's useless information. I would like to know HOW each candidate is going to carry out their plans to help the economy and healthcare ect. Because I've been following both very closly and neither one has yet to tell HOW they are going to do what they say they are going to do. I'm voting for Obama because we need a Democrat in there to clean up the republicans mess...again.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Oct 08
Joe Six Pack and Hockey Mom are racist terms? I've never heard that one! I thought the media was busy covering "terrorist!", "Arab!" and "Kill him!"...or maybe that was before the weekend.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Oct 08
Their is a black congresswoman who is an Obama supporter. She was the one who specifically accused Palin of being a racist for using those terms which she believes excludes black people. You know, because black people don't ever drink six-packs, nor do they ever have children who play hockey.
Oddly enough they didn't object when Biden said Obama was the "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean". See democrats aren't held to the same standards when it comes to racism.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 Oct 08
I have no idea, but I do think the Obamites are approving the dirty campaign. So referring to someone's stomach and they having kids playing hockey are racist terms. I guess they are stretching it a bit. So in order to make his image look better, he should tell everyone that he does not approve of the dirty campaign. Telling the truth about a candidate is all right, not not lies.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
14 Oct 08
I look at it this way the press is running the dirty campaign and I am disappointed by a lot of what I am seeing and hearing mainly on one side and I do not htink it is because of a bias....as I am an independent when it comes to parties.
On the recent comments or implications from the Obama supporters (and I mean his supporters not Obama himself b/c he has neither said one way about this....even though I like you think he is condoning it by not speaking up on it) when there were implications that anyone who is not supporting Obama is a racist. This to me is simple stress tactics his supporters are using without justifiable reasoning in order to scare people away from that topic that so many people are sensitive about. I say talk about it and the fear goes away.
It upsets me that when the little old lady made a comment about being scared of Obama at a McCain rally and McCain simply stated that he is not to be feared 1) Obama supporters jumped on his comment without fully explaining the context of said comment and we all know not many people follow up on the actual facts of comments and 2) Obama has never addressed this touchy topic on the other side.
But that is a personal issue I have with that candidate....and I think many times the overuse the accusation of racist comments leads to the fear I mentioned above.
And as for the Bros before H...people that just shows me what mentality a person has to wear such a thing. They are not checking into the actual facts behind the candidates b/c then they could logically state why they do not support McCain besides saying "it's time for a change", and the HOPE banners and other things that are very vague.
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@dustinnikki (301)
• United States
14 Oct 08
I think it's dirty on both sides. I don't see how "Joe Six Pack" or "Hockey Mom" are being racist any more than McCain talking about Obama and his "Cronies" or calling him "That One" in the last debate. There has been a difference between the two during the debates. McCain seems to go on the attack and spends more time bashing Obama instead of answering questions while Obama spends the time defending himself and answering the questions that he is asked. I have never heard Obama say anything like that but I am not saying it hasn't happened either.
I think it gets dirty on both sides. Quite frankly, I can't wait until it's over! I stand by Obama this time but it has nothing to do with who said what.
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@bessiexxl (77)
• China
14 Oct 08
In fact, I would like to know exactly the Dirty Campaign firstly. I wonder whether I am right or not. I guess Senator Obama is right. I like Obama. So I surpport him.