Even the D1ck Cheney Never Tried This!
By anniepa
@anniepa (27955)
United States
October 21, 2008 7:17pm CST
Yesterday, while Sarah Palin sat for an interview with KUSA, an NBC affiliate in Colorado, she was asked a question sent in by local third grader, Brandon Garcia:
"What does the Vice President do?"
Here is Palin's reply - "That’s something that Piper would ask me! They’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom."
Here is what it says in Article I of the Constitution:
"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided."
You can read about it and find the YouTube video here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/21/palin-vp-senate/
I know some of you won't approve of the link but I posted it just for the exact quote, which is exactly what I heard and saw her say on TV, and so you can view the video. Apparently this was what she was referring to during the V.P. debate when she mentioned expanding the power of the Vice Presidency!
What do you guys think about her wanting to "really get in there with the Senators and make a lot of good policy changes"?
Annie
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16 responses
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I saw this this evening and I was pretty "o_O" about it.
I'm sorry to say this, but this kinda makes Palin look...um..not smart.
I had to say it. She said that she was glad the constitution gave the position she was picked by McCain for, that kind of power.
...wtf?
You make an excellent point, though. Sure, Cheney loves the shadowy overlord bit...but he never went that far. Didn't even express the desire to.
It's amazing. Seriously.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
22 Oct 08
"He or she's the dude that breaks ties when they happen in the senate"...
...or is that not simple enough?
I thought the word "jobs" was covered in about the first grade? Or was it just like that in homechooling education like I went through?
Hm.
=D I've had practice explaining things to very stupid adults.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
22 Oct 08
P.s. in case it's not clear, I'm not trying to mock you, I'm just being sassy and playful. I mean no disrespect, nor am I trying to start anything.
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@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Ok why don't define "President of the Senate" for us. And then you can break it down and explain it to an 8 year old. Then while you are at it tell how to spell J O B S with only three letters.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Oct 08
Let see, where did I put that thing..........
U.S. constitution,
Article 1, section 3 (legislative branch; the senate)
"The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States"
The constitution defines the vice president as a legislative role. the only mention of the VP in article 2 is as a replacement of the president.
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@devylan (695)
• United States
23 Oct 08
"But shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided," though. So what exactly does that mean: "unless they be equally divided?" It means if there is a tied vote as to pass or kill the bill, correct? I wonder how often that happens. It might be a legislative role, but it is not as strong a role as she is letting on, correct?
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@collieluv28 (388)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I think Palin is power hungry pure & simple. She wants the U.S. to be the way she thinks it should be. She is really scaring the heck out of me lately because she is actually doing things her own way & publically disagreeing with McCain. That slip some time ago when she called it the Palin/McCain ticket really speaks volumes. What is she up to? I don't know & I hope we never find out. If the McCain ticket is elected, Canada looks pretty good to me.
@philjas (1134)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Oh, somebody said they'd like to hear reasons that people like Obama rather than reasons that people hate Palin (as if they've never heard anyone state reasons they like Obama, which I find hard to believe.) Okay, here are some:
1. His economic plan, I believe, is a good one.
2. Same with his healthcare plan.
3. He is obviously highly intelligent.
4. His personality and demeanor are extremely positive factors which I think is very desirable in a President.
5. He does not support a ban on gay marriage.
6. He does support charter schools.
7. He has a fair and reasonable view on abortion.
8. He just plain and simple strikes me as a nice guy.
Is that enough? Or should I go for an even 10?
9. He DOES represent change, after 8 years of a conservative President.
10. He appears to have picked a running mate who he felt was the right person for the job. We know he did not pick "the popular choice" (Hillary) just to get votes.
Now that's just me personally. But if you asked every single person who's voting for Obama I'm sure they could all come up with their own list.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
22 Oct 08
She said something similar some months ageo. I don't remember the specifics but someone pointed out that her views on an issue did not jive with McCain's and she replied along the lines of "I'm working on him". I was astounded by what she said then and this is just as incredible. I wonder what job description Sarah from the Frozen North has written for her presidency? I'm sure she has one but I doubt she'll ever get to use it. Her fifteen minutes of fame are almost over.
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@Bd200789 (2994)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I saw this last night. I think she's crazy! We've just come from eight years of that. I could feel sorry for her before, because she clearly wasn't prepared for any of this, but now I can't. She's had months to figure out what her job would be if elected.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Her description wasn't wrong just because she didn't use the exact wording of the constitution Annie.
By the way, how did you feel about Joe Biden not knowing the job of the vice president? Naturally the media ignored this, but it's pretty interesting that a man with over 30 years of experience doesn't even understand the job he's trying to get.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/03/biden-gets-veep-role-wrong/
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Oct 08
"As for the media, they let Palin get away with not knowing what the VP does (and thinking the office has MORE POWER than it does) until she said it THREE TIMES."
Three times? Are you kidding me? She got it RIGHT in the VP debates and still got ridiculed even though Biden got it wrong.
Saying the Vice President was "in charge" was said in an answer to a third grader and those words were chosen as they were more easily understood than saying the Vice President was the "President" of the Senate. Perhaps there were words she could have used that were both easily understood by third graders and less likely to be taken out of context, but frankly, the media is just looking for excuses to bash her, and of course, so are people like you.
@philjas (1134)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Okay - Joe Biden got mixed up and said the VP ONLY PRESIDES over the Senate in the case of a tie. In actuality they preside all the time. I'd call this a mispeak, not an actual misunderstanding of what the job is. He was obviously referring to the fact that they have the power to break a tie.
As for the media, they let Palin get away with not knowing what the VP does (and thinking the office has MORE POWER than it does) until she said it THREE TIMES.
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@devylan (695)
• United States
27 Oct 08
Okay, I will give you that, Taskr. It is a double standard. There, I said it. However, I disagree with the fact that she had to dumb down her answer just because it was asked by a third grader. She could have said, for instance, I would be *like* a leader of the Senate, and I would get to break the tie in order to make a bill into a law or prevent a bill from becoming a law. Isn't that broken down enough? Why can't our kids learn how politics really works?
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Annie, Instead of giving us all sorts of reason we should hate Sarah Palin, why not give us some reasons to like Obama. I have yet to find a reason.
Frankly, I can't tell if you actually hate her or have a crush on her. I'm reminded of high school and the heart covered notebook with the crush of the month named all over it.
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@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Dang it irishidid, You stole my comment. annie thinks I'm Always picking on her but all she needs to do is look in the mirror to know why.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 Oct 08
So do you have any comments about the topic of this discussion or not? I don't recall saying one word about hating anyone. If you don't have a problem with a potential V.P. not having the foggiest idea what her job will be, good for you.
Annie
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
22 Oct 08
The VP serves as president of the senate. That's pretty clear. While their executive duties are limited, it doesn't stop them from having a voice.
If the job is so unimportant when it comes to Sarah Palin, then it is equally as unimportant when it comes to Joe Biden.
You don't hate Sarah Palin? I find that surprising.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
22 Oct 08
With all the Democrats in the Senate I think she'll have trouble making "good policy changes" but, in my opinion even if the Republicans control the Senate she would have a hard time making "good policy changes". I'll leave that to your imagination lol
As for extending the power of the vice president I am not in favor of that. This past administration has left me not wanting that to ever happen again. But, at least she knew that she was suppose to do something with the Senate. lol
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@devylan (695)
• United States
23 Oct 08
The point that the article is trying to make, though, is that either she really doesn't understand how little power she would actually have over the Senate as far as making changes in the laws go, or she's lying to her supporters and telling them that she can do something that really she wouldn't be able to do. On the other hand, maybe she thinks she'd be able to really change things around and make it to where the Vice President does have much more power over what goes on in the Senate. Why is that a bad thing? There are three branches of our government, Judicial, Congressional, and Executive, for a reason. It's all about checks and balances. The House and the Senate in the Congressional branch of government keep each other on their toes and make sure things are passed or not passed in the best way possible (at least this is the intent), and the President, as part of the Executive branch, has his/her own way of keeping them in check with the power of veto. Then, the Judicial branch makes sure the laws that finally do pass are enforced the correct and most beneficial way. Thank you, class, for attending Devylan's Civics 101. Lol.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I think that our "do nothing" congress needs someone to go in there and light a fire under their butts. They are barely reactive much less proactive. NO she can not vote unless there is a deadlock. But she can put preasure on them to talk and compromise and actually start getting things done in a timely manner. She seems the type that would pretty tell anyone on either side if they were playing party politics games or other BS. You can not tell me our congress does not need someone who can do that. They need a huge kick in the pants. They act like little kids fighting on a playground. Someone needs to step in and remind these poeple what they were elected for (and it wasn't to spend all their time finger pointing and back biting).
I only hope that if Biden gets it, he will take a firm hand with congress. I do not want Biden or Palin to tell them how to vote. But I do want which ever one wins to hold them accountable for their BS, call a spade a spade and actually make them to their jobs and most importantly learn how to work together. The American public is paying the price for party politics. What is best for the party has become more important than what is best for the country. This needs to be stopped.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I still say she's ready to be vice president! You GO girl!
@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
22 Oct 08
Vice Presidents used to do almost nothing, if you read about them in history. But that has changed in more recent years. I don't find anything wrong in what Governor Palin said. She may not have a vote unless she needs to break a tie, but that doesn't mean she has to sit around like window dressing. I pray that McCain and Palin make it because they CAN make some good changes.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
26 Oct 08
Since this is a discussion may I ask you with all due respect what good changes do you feel McCain and Palin could make? I'm asking this with no sarcasm whatsoever, I'd really like to see your answer and if I disagree with it I'll still respect it.
Annie
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