Obama: Real Vote
By ganderlot
@ganderlot (351)
United States
6 responses
@fatmansmommy (751)
• United States
23 Oct 08
let me start by saying that i am for mccain all the way. but, that said, i think it is extremely silly and irresponsible for someone to vote either for or against someone based solely on their skin color. i would not vote for someone because they were white, or a woman, or whatever. i will vote for whomever i believe is the best choice for this country, no matter what color their skin may be or what gender.
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@greysfreak (1384)
• United States
23 Oct 08
I am right there with you! I admit, I am usually a dem. voter, and I was going to suck it up and vote for Obama originally, or I told myself I would.. partially because I thought it would be a good thing because he is black. But I have come to realize that voting for someone because of their skin color is no better than voting against them for the same reason. I have done my research and have come to the conclusion that *I* think McCain is the better choice, I agree with him on more stuff than Obama, and to me, I am not a democrat voting for a republican, I am an American voting for the person I think is the most capable and who I think is the best choice. I know I'm probably a rarity on the left side--and actually lately I've come to realize I'm more independent than democrat, but it's just my opinion.
I just wanted to say that I like what you said, it really shouldn't be about voting for someone(or not) because of their race. I just feel that there are a lot of people out there that think the way I thought at the beginning, and just weren't willing to actually do the research. I may get criticized for saying this, but that's fine--I'm just being honest!
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@greysfreak (1384)
• United States
23 Oct 08
gander- yes, more people should definitely vote as if there were no parties. more and more I am becoming confused about which side I'm really on, that is why before the *next* election, I am changing to an independent, because I really am tired of Partisan politics, my ideas and values don't fit into a neat little box, maybe it's because I'm 4 years older than the last pres. election, or maybe I'm just less idealistic and more realistic. Reality can really be an ugly thing, and I think I'm learning that at a fairly young age .
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@ganderlot (351)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Thanks for the comment. I wish all people would vote that way. I am a supervisor at a call center and we are currently doing a lot of political surveys. I am disappointed that so many people still vote strictly party line... I've heard comments regarding agreeing with another candidate but because they weren't in the "correct" party they didn't want to hear it.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
22 Oct 08
I don't think so. I do think that a lot of the ones who say they are for an Obama presidency won't vote at all.
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@greysfreak (1384)
• United States
23 Oct 08
I agree with you, I think that a lot of people who are most vocal about Obama becoming President will fail to go out and vote--either because they think he's safe without their vote or for other reasons. I remember 4 years ago, they expected a huge turnout from younger people, and they didn't end up turning out, I remember it well, considering I was in college during that election.
I think there will be *some* people who would change their mind, but I doubt that most people will change for that reason.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
23 Oct 08
Hello Ganderlot,
This is a great question! Will the Bradley Effect play out in this election? I dare say that no one will know for sure until November 5th. However, Scott Rasmussen's recently issued a poll that indicated that 85% of those polled will NOT lie to a pollster. Of course, that means that 15% WILL LIE to a pollster.
If I had to hazard a wild guess, I'd say that there will be some effect. Although, I attribute it more to last minute efforts to avoid 'buyers remorse'. Despite the media marketing blitz Sen. Obama is untested, and that will weigh heavily in the 11th hour for many, I'm sure. How many? It's impossible to say with any certainty.
If my theory is wrong, and a Bradley effect does rear its ugly head, then I dare say that I'd be terribly disappointed in my fellow Americans for allowing race to affect their opinion at all! I'd like to think that we are better than that!
"Oct 7, 2008 A pollster calls and I am sooo ashamed that that person might think I am a racist if a say I am voting for McCain, that I lie and say Obama."
www.pollster.com/blogs/rasmussen_akpa_106.php
Remember back in January when Hillary was still in the running?
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5530
"An exit poll is just a survey. Like other surveys, it is subject to random sampling error and, as those who follow exit polls now understand, occasional problems with non-response bias. In New Hampshire (in 1992) and Arizona (in 1996)* primary election exit polls overstated support for Patrick Buchanan, probably because his more enthusiastic supporters were more willing to be interviewed"
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/looking_for_new_hampshire_exit.php
"To be sure, the question of race is bound to rear its head again, at least in some measure. A recent poll conducted by Associated Press and Yahoo News said that one-third of white Democrats harbor at least some negative views toward blacks.
As a result, several million voters could turn away from Obama because of his race, the poll said, with as much as 6% to 7% of the electorate picking another option for president purely based on that issue."
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/obama-run-bradley-effect-polls/story.aspx?guid=%7B79FA00F7-52E8-4054-81F2-E6C14FE7D9F1%7D
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
23 Oct 08
At least one expert has said that the "Bradley Effect" is an urban myth and the reason for the bad call was that the original polling was poorly done. I don't know if that is true or not but I think that the number of voters who vote for Obama because he is black will wash against the number of voters who vote against him because he is black. The final count won't be much affected by race just as the final count for Kennedy wasn't much affected by religion. Like Kennedy, I believe Obama will win.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
29 Oct 08
No, I don't think they will not vote for him because he is black. If they were planning to vote for him from the start and his being black did not bother them then, it won't bother them now. However, they could change their minds for other reasons. Let's hope they do.
@ClarusVisum (2163)
• United States
23 Oct 08
No. What you're referring to is known as the Bradley Effect, and that 'effect' has been largely debunked.
Think about it this way--why would a racist bother lying to a pollster and telling him/her that s/he's supporting Obama when s/he isn't, when s/he could just as easily say they think he's too inexperienced, too 'liberal', (insert Republican talking point here), etc.?
With that in mind, it's no wonder that the research has shown that however many people won't vote for Obama because of race, those people aren't lying to pollsters about who they're supporting instead. They simply don't do that.