If Obama wins will that be the beginning of the persecution of Christians in USA

WE have very devout christains here even went to brunch with one the other day she even carrys her Bible with her! every where!

That is so true. I am not American, but I read everything about what both candidates stood for. Just when we had our election up here, I read what our candidates stood for and voted for the best one. He did not get in, because Christianity is very unpopular up here, that is the real Christianity. I am not talking about the Christians who do not take the Bible seriously.

Real Christians obey Christ. God hates sinners. HE hates sinners so much that HE showed the beauty of nature, so that they would see that and read the Bible, join a Church and fight against sin. HE made the results of s*xual sin, AIDS, and vd so horrible (sterility) so that one would never want to commit that sin. We all know the woman who was caught in adultery. According to Jo, Jesus should have said, "Keep going and sleeping around with your married lover, Jesus will forgive you." but HE did not. HE said, "go and sin no more." She probably went back to her husband or if she was single, married and had a family. What would have happened had she kept on cheating?

Obama says he is a Christian, but anyone can say it. It is his actions that will prove otherwise. Just wait and see.

GMAB, A Christian would not have sat under a racist hatemonger like Jerry Wright for 20 years.

That is what I would say. When my first church was more interested in social policies and having Whitesundays then in preaching the gospel I left. And kept sending until I found a church that preached the word of God. Obama should have left his church the minute he hard Rev. Wright sprew racial hatred.

I think he is one of those who will allow the great tribulation by his silence. You know, that phrase about good men doing nothing. I do not believe he is the big baddy anti-Christ, but he will certainly make it easier for him to come. No idea when that will happen. I just hope America wakes up, but it will be like it was here in Canada, when Trudeau came in, everyone was happy = well I am a conservative type and our family never voted for Liberals (that is the Canadian Democrats) anyway but gradually laws that promoted the far left liberal agenda came in and now we have a human rights commission, i.e. kangaroo court, where if you are a Christian and stand up for your rights, you will always loose. Just wait a few years. The big baddy anti=Christ will take advantage of the hatred and make his entrance.

I think he will give carte blanche or remain silent. He does not have to actually do the persecution, he can just keep silence. I think it will start very sneakily,and his attitude will give those who hate Christians opportunity. And besides a church that preaches racial hatred against whites and where its preacher says Da*m America is no right to call itself Christian. A Christian preacher should pray that Americans turn from their sinful ways, and not curse the country he lives in.

First the 'born again Christian' tag is hi-jacked and now 'fundamentalist'. All Christians are in effect both born again and fundamentalist - but if you used those phrases about yourself, you would automatically be branded with the 'crazies'. I prefer to say 'I follow the Bible, or I follow Christs' teachings' - if calling yourself Christian aligns you with those who claim to know Christ but have never heard of humility, then I don't feel inclined even to call myself Christian. These people are harder to 'reach' than Atheists! so it would be sad to see them leave because they think they've got it all sorted and they need help...

I'm smiling by the way...

"Fundementalist "Christians" like yourself should pool your money and buy an island somewhere." How do you think America became America? And the Europeans didn't cry when they left.

If they would not try to influence people, to demand that children in public schools be told that two 'gay' men can live together s*xually as well as a man and a woman who are married, and can raise children and their children can make the choice of being either 'gay'or straight. Oh the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin. You read all of Leviticus and read of THE Kings and the Chronicles where it says that this king put the sodomites out of the land, where it reads about Sodom and Gomorrah and where Paul the Apostles says to the new Christians 'and such were some of you" then you will know that homosexuality is a sin.

suspensful..as you know by now ...i totally respect your opinions but you completley sideswiped me in your answer here. Like I said in my first response to you...watch..."for the bible tells me so"....then continue answering on this topic. do you have children? If so would you want them so condemed if oh lord forbid they were to be gay? OR ar you the type of parent your kids would lie to and pretend to be anything other than what they were in an attempt t o gain your acceptance?? I suspect the latter, sadly. you will temporarily get your false sense of security.....good luck with that.

Hey sid556, with all due respect, I don't care what documentary you watched and what it said. Man made that documentary and man can lie. But God cannot lie and He tells us in the Bible, in Leviticus 18:22, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Homosexuality IS a sin, for the Bible tells me so.

I am afraid that when the persecution comes that most of us will not know about it unless we get Christian online newspapers and subscribe to Christian magazines and newspapers, because the secular media will keep quiet about it. We have that going in in Canada. The secular media puts that in the back pages or gives it their slant. Why we did not hear about the massacre of the Christian Sudanese except on Christian information sources, but as soon as the Muslims started to massacred the black Muslims, then it was in the secular newspapers all right.

So true, dragon. The Bible does warn us of this. Christians will be persecuted. Things are getting worse and worse and I believe we are living in the end times. One thing is for sure and nothing and no one can change: God is still in complete control! Jesus Christ is still the Lord and Savior and He is returning! Praise God! Jesus Christ is my Commander in Chief!!

After last night's election I am all for the Rapture to come and the sooner the better. I am terrified at what might become of our 'religious' freedoms in this country. He already kicked reporters off his plane that didn't back him- what's next? The only time liberals believe in free speech is when it pertains to themselves and their agenda- they want to quiet Christians because we are the opposite of what he believes. Obama doesn't want any opposition. But becoming a Christian we know that we are subject to persecution. In the end Jesus will come and take all His children home and those who are left behind will have to live with their choices.

That is right, They persecuted Christ and they will persecute those who follow Christ as well. I wonder if people will realize that persecution will not mean just not giving one a job or calling him dirty names when someone says he is a Christian. It will be like it is in the Muslim countries where you may actually lose your life and they will make you die slowly and painfully.

Good Gods, I haven't seem bigotry of that magnitude in a long time. Really, honestly do you keep a straight face while saying that garbage nonsense? I can't see how you can. You scream of persecution but you persecute another human being for being different from you all the while screaming of your own persecutions? That really does not make sense to me, I can't wrap my mind around the idea of screaming persecuted while persecuting another person. Doesn't it defeat the purpose of your arguments, isn't that ironic?

From the events of the past few months wouldn't anything surprise me right now. I made the statement once before that I believed Obama was a plant that is being inserted into our government by some rich Muslims. Nothing has changed to tell me I am wrong. We will see though want we. I hope I'm wrong. If I'm not we are going to see some drastic changes pretty soon that we are not going to agree with. If you remember Bush and Company gave the President some new powers he didn't have before. If not used right some of them could hurt the American people badly.

Stop trying to play the race card. That only shows your ignorance. Being black has nothing to do with jack in this conversation. Color him purple, he's still a New World Order puppet. Now stop watching TV and go read something.

and you base this information on what???

It seems you have got a bias against Obama because he is part black. Obama is a good man. he has comprehensively beaten Mc Cain. he has comprehensively beaten Hillary Clinton despite her charisma. He couldn't be wrong for USA. The world has a lot of hope from him. He is sharp, intelligent and energetic. It is not the colour of his skin that is important, it is he qualities. This election is a water shed in a way. it has negated the importance of colour. Any man or woman, who is good can aspire to the highest office what ever his skin colour. Remember one thing "Skin is only skin deep." His heart is American and now he actually represents America so I bless him and hope he canbring in a new world order and change th course of history.

Slick, Suspense has been disrespectful of every single person who doesn't hold her version of a hateful and vendictive God. I resent her version. Most just resent her words. Pierone might me new, but he can see the person behind the ignorance. agree or not, it doesn't matter. She's a hateful ignorant idiot. She's welcomed to defend herself, but she won't. Ignorants don't defend. They shoot and run.

Actually the trouble was that the media was behind him 100 percent, except for Fox news and the people just saw that he was part Black, that he was going to tax the rich and help the poor, and did not read about his background, that he was the most far left candidate that there ever was. Why Bill Clinton had nothing on him! Oh did I say anything about iq test? yOU=-=---!!! I think those that voted for him did not read what he was really about. They just believed all the things he said that was good about himself. I went on the internet, I went through the articles on him and read both good and bad. I also read about McCain, both good and bad. I saw that some of their ideas were similar, but you have to take in account their ideology. They are as different from night and day.

I see no need to pounce on suspensful,she only ask a question,and i do not think it was nice of you to put the IQ into this...I can understand her concern,she was just asking,you need to be nicer pierone...

I too am a proud Canadian and could not have said it any better.

a Christian would be against people killing and beating gays becuase of their orientation, Suspense. YOu ALWAYS seem to forget that one. You are against murder and brutality unless the people being murdered and brutalized are of homosexual orientation. Sad. What would Jesus say? Why do I ask you, suspense, you don't know.

Those percentages are actually quite skewed lindalinda. I would say the majority of Canadians are indeed from one type of Christian doctrine or another but there are more non-denominational members than just a small percentage. I'm a pagan Canadian with Unitarian Universalist ties (a congregation that accepts all doctrines from all religions and welcomes all within their congregation from Muslim, Christian to Pagan). Yes, Canada is indeed a liberal, socialist country. Canada, as a whole, believes in multiculturalism and multi-religion. Canada has always been a path blazer for peace, acceptance and multicultural cohabitation. It's one of the only countries where people can retain their cultural identity and still adopt the Canadian cultural identity with it. As a society we certainly believe (and our laws prove this in supporting these beliefs) that all people have the right to individualism without persecution. Mind you, no nation is perfect and we do have issues of our own but I've seen Canada as the most advanced in laws in our times to protect individualism from our discrimination laws to our Charter of Rights. I can truly say I am proud to be Canadian.

Happy to know you are not scared but be nice and stop scaring others. Obama is more Christian than you are. You now have a President that the world would have voted for, so many people couldn't be wrong. There is going to real peace worldwide for the first time so just be cool and stop spreading propaganda.

suspenseful....if you live in Canada, why are you so upset about Obama being elected here? From what I understand with all your ranting you are not happy about your own elected officials so why don't you worry about them? Okay, abortion=sin, homosexuality=sin, lottery tickets=sin. Have you ever sat down at a table....say, like Thanksgiving and ate and ate until you thought you were going to be sick? That's a sin. Have you ever told a lie, even a small one? That's a sin. Do you judge...man, I don't even need to ask that question.

Bush was rather boring, but is Obama honest? Wait and see. If he shows his authentic birth certificate, if he says, "I listened to Rev. Wright and I was ashamed of what he said," if he said, "I used to belong to a Marxist organization," if he admitted what he had done in the past, then he will be honest.

and so you are ok with bush? You consider him honest? are you kidding? yup you are. I know you are smarter than this.