Were all voting women expected to vote for McCain because of Palin?
@PrincessKitten (790)
United States
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
7 Nov 08
Of course nobody is stupid enough to think she would get ALL women to vote for her and McCain. He picked her to balance the ticket and shore up his weaknesses. She brought in executive experience as a governor and mayor. She has experience balancing a government budget and producing a budget surplus. She has experience running an energy producing state which provides somewhere along the line of 15% of the nation's oil.
Was her gender a factor? Of course it was. Just as Biden's age was a factor in balancing Obama's youth. Her gender did help McCain's campaign. A week after choosing her Obama's lead among women voters went from 16 to 3. McCain led amongst white women voters. The women who attack him over it were the ones who would have never voted for him anyway so they are largely irrelevant.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Well Charlie Crist would have given him Florida I'm sure, just as Pawlenty would have given him Minnesota, but he was going for someone who he felt would help him nationwide. While both those states were important, neither of them would have been enough to win the election alone.
I don't think Palin lacked substance at all. McCain lost because the economy crashed and as a Republican, he took the brunt of that due to Obama's constant "same as Bush" argument. Sarah Palin's ratings went down because almost the entire media spent their time attacking her incessantly. She also suffered because the morons running the campaign wouldn't let her do any interviews beyond Gibson and Couric.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
8 Nov 08
You know, taskr, Florida's governor, Charlie Christ, was on McCain's short list for awhile and his experience far outweighs Palin's along with the size of the government he runs. His youthful look...and that TAN...would have been a good balance for McCain. McCain may have lead among women voters for awhile after her selection...which I believe is exactly what the GOP hoped for but, in the end, she wasn't able to hang on to them because she lacked substance.
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
7 Nov 08
I actually think it is degrading to think that all women would support any particular woman in politics - not all women would support Hillary and not all women would support Palin.
It is much like saying that all blacks supported Obama - which was not the case.
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@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
9 Nov 08
Do you know how much of the women's vote Obama got? How about the percentage of black votes? I heard the percentage of black votes was pretty high but didn't hear anything about the percentage of women's votes.
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
9 Nov 08
I don't know that there could be an accurate accounting of those percentages - I would think that exit polls would be the only way they would know that.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I know there are plenty here who disagree but I'm still totally convinced that's why she was picked and I'm also more and more convinced it wasn't really McCain's idea. I have a feeling there are going to be some interesting things coming out before too long, even more interesting than her not knowing what countries are in North America or that Africa is a continent.
It's pretty clear she wasn't vetted at all and they tried to keep her under wraps for as long as possible, never letting her talk without a teleprompter and a scripted speech. I was offended to think someone, whether it was McCain or his advisers who wouldn't "let" him pick Joe Lieberman as he reported wanted to, apparently thought that women, particularly women who had wholeheartedly supported Hillary Clinton, would simply jump over to McCain's camp simply because he'd put a woman on the ticket. I know many Republicans here on myLot and elsewhere think Sarah's the next big GOP star and I respect their views and don't mean to offend anyone, but personally I think she's set women back. I hope to one day see a female V.P. and ultimately President but I hope it's someone who's informed, intelligent and intellectually curious and willing to accept everyone as "real Americans" and not someone who thinks she can get by with a few cute little winks and a folksy way of talking to make us think she's one of us all the while being given designer clothing worth six figures to wear.
Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Nov 08
It seems to me that McCain went against the RNC in choosing Palin. Remember, she was the governor with the highest approval rating... one of the highest in history.
It would have been interesting to see Obama get vetted as much as Palin did. Heck, it would be interesting to see Obama get investigated as heavily as Joe the Plumber did.
The RNC never backed Palin at all. You think Palin was forced in McCain.. but I think he believed in her, but the dopes at the RNC didn't, so they sabotaged her, hoping he would drop her for one of their choices.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Nov 08
How much were all the pants suits that Hillary has been given worth?
Michelle Obama thinks that the only thing the average person can do with $600 is buy a "couple of sets of earrings".
Pah-Lease! If you are going to set an impossible standard for Palin, at least have the decency to hold your side to it too.. That or admit that you're only fair with those on your side.
@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
9 Nov 08
"I hope to one day see a female V.P. and ultimately President but I hope it's someone who's informed, intelligent and intellectually curious and willing to accept everyone as "real Americans"..."
It seems that what anniepa is trying to say is Palin came-off as being a bit silly, or ridiculous.
Can you think of anything like this that Hillary or Michelle said at some point during the campaigning? (Links would be helpful.) Thanks! :-)
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Many will scream otherwise but I believe that's exactly what the GOP hoped for when she was selected. There were so many choices that would have worked out so much better. Considering the state of our economy I still believe that Mitt Romney would have been able to gain the confidence of the voters but he was dumped out of fear of upsetting the Religious Right.
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@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
9 Nov 08
Palin was deffinetly good for not upsetting the Religious Right, but is catering to the likes of the Religious Right really that important? What I mean is, are they the majority of American voters?
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@venticius (156)
• United States
7 Nov 08
I think Sarah Palin hurt McCain with women. After all, McCain lost the women vote nationally. I don't think that it was a ploy of McCain's to pick her, I just think that everyone else turned McCain down. Palin did not know enough about the political process to be electable, and that hurt McCain.
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@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
9 Nov 08
That's an interesting point of view!...that you think everyone else turned McCain down. Do you have any links for this, or are you just guessing?
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
7 Nov 08
I admit that most of America did not know Palin when he chose her. There were some conservatives who did. I know here on mylot we were kicking around ideas of who should be his running mate and her name was kicked around a lot then. We knew she as on the short list and hoped.The main stream media may not have known much about here. But political junkies, and a lot of conservatives liked her. Do I think McCain picked her because he was hoping to pull more female votes? Yep. But that does not mean that was the only reason he picked her. Not that CNN would admit it.
I think it was really offal the way the press spun this. I remember hearing on the news the day she was announced "they only did this because of Hilary". That was their story and they stuck to it. Which deminished the accomplishements Palin had done in Alaska. Heck CNN told woman to be insulted by his choice. So they were. . I heard "she has small kids". What does that matter? There are a lot of women in powerful positions that have small kids. Heck there are a lot of men in powerful positions with small kids. In the first couple of days the press tore her up before most of America got to know her.The sexism that came out of it really shocked me.Combine that with the fact that I do not think the McCain camp handled her properly (they over handled her). Between that and the media she never stood a chance.
I hope we do see more of Sarah Palin. Not all women in politics have to be Democrats. Believe or not there are female republican voters out there. There should be female republican and democrat candidates in all levels of government. They should be taken seriously. Not matter what party they belong to.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I know you've posted several times about the sexism on CNN but since I rarely watch CNN I can't say anything about that, but I didn't see much of what I, at the age of 56 and having lived through LOTS of sexism in my life, would even remotely consider sexist. I saw when Elizabeth from The View brought up the wardrobe controversy and said it was sexist; I'm not sure what her reasoning was, did she think it shouldn't have been reported that the RNC spent over $150,000 - now it seems it may have MUCH more than that - on clothes for her and her family? Also, I don't think most thinking women of either party had to be told by CNN whether or not to be insulted.
I certainly agree there should be more females in politics from both parties because we're not even close to the numbers coinciding to our percentage of the population. I also agree they should be taken seriously if they earn it.
Annie
@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
9 Nov 08
lilwonders456 - Oh I know there are a LOT of women Republican voters out there (though I'm not sure exactly what the percentages are). I wonder how many of them voted for McCain. The media did find some condemning skeletons in Palin's closet though.
anniepa - remember the gig stink about how much it cost to do Princess Diana's hair every day? Why is the cost of women's grooming always in the headlines? LOL!!!
Good point about the number of women in politics needing to reflect our population.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Nov 08
No, but the left didn't have to resort to total sexist statements when campaigning against her... her is c**t not considered acceptable political speech?
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I didn't hear of anything like that either, but it certainly is not acceptable. I really didn't see much sexism but maybe I was watching the "wrong" channels. However, I think she used her "feminine charms" at times, such as with her winking during the debate. Seriously, what would anyone have said if Biden had done that repeatedly? Or ANY man?
Annie
@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
9 Nov 08
OMG, did they actually say that?!? If you have a link for that, it would be great!
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