Now that a Democrat has Won the White House Again....
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 8, 2008 2:07am CST
Will it be ok for the far left to be proud to be Americans again?
I swear, it seems like the only time they are happy is when their candidates win. They remind me of little kids who can only be happy when they get their own way.
For the last 8 years they have sat in their diapers whining that they need to be changed, when in reality it was just themselves that stink.
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@4magoo (396)
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8 Nov 08
I am a democrat. I am a disabled Vietnam Vet. I am currently employed by the Department of Defense and work for them in England. I didn't whine when we illegally attacked Iraq nor when we chose not to pay for these wars with taxes but instead went into debt to China. On the other hand, I will say, I am a lot more proud of my country now than when the Republicans were in control. I can also tell you, as an American living overseas, that other countries see us in a much more favorable light now that Bush company are on the way out.
I noticed that your avitar is a mobile artillary piece. Were you ex-military? Where and when did you serve?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Nov 08
Thank you for your service!
I can't help but wonder why your love of country seems to be so tied to who is in the White House? I can't say I've always been proud of what the presidents have done, even those I've agreed with, but I don't understand an American being ashamed of being an American simply because of the letter after the last name of the president.
Yes, I'm retired. I served in the Active Army for 8 years and retired from the Wisconsin Army National Guard in 2002. I was a Section Chief on the M109A4 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer in the picture. On Active Duty, I was a parachute rigger and radio operator. I the National Guard, I was artillery and once I made Paramedic, I started training the medics in my battalian.
All in all, it was a great way to live!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Nov 08
Hoo-AH!
We'll disagree on the Iraq thing. I was in Southern Iraq when the Ceasefire agreement was signed. I guess most Americans forgot that part of a ceasefire agreement is that if it is broken, it goes back to as if it was never signed.
But I blame Bush Sr. and Gen. Powell for the mistake of the ceasefire agreement in the first place. All it did was bolster Hussein's authority and stature in the Middle East since what the Arabs and Persians saw was he stayed in power, but the US left.
But like I said, there is room for opinions on both sides there. The Americans I resent are those who didn't just speak out against the war, but used the war as an excuse to show their true hatred for the US. Spitting on Soldiers, pissing on the US flag and offering safe haven for deserters aren't exactly gestures of love and friendship for the US. But on the other hand, they fall over themselves praising two bit dictators in third world countries.
Those are the ones I mean.
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@4magoo (396)
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8 Nov 08
My love of country isn't tied to who is in the White House. I firmly believe that we needed to go to Afghanistan but while Iraq wasn't responsible we attached them anyways. We attacked Irag and they had not attacked us. We trumpted up the issue of WMD and it was shown to be a lie. I was embarrased as that was not my country doing this. My country believed in higher ideals. During the Vietnam war I was infantry and "enlisted." Yep... I was really stupid but I believe in the "domino theory" and believed I need to fight against communism. My son joined the navy after 9/11 and my father served in WWII and Korea. I believe there are slime-ball countries out there but I hold my country to a higher standard.
By the way, I lived in Eau Claire for 11 years and was commander of the engineer reserve unit there for two years. Go Badgers....
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Poor Ted, we all know that you are sad that the American people voted your party out office, but it will be ok. I am sure you will hear republicans talking like they did in the late 90's, Oh I am sure you forgot about republicans bashing Clinton, and the American people. I am sure you don't remember when Clinton attacked terrorist camps in Afghanistan, and republicans attacked him. What was Clinton thinking? That Bin Laden guy wasn't a bad man (atleast republicans didn't think so then). Democrats will support their candidates, like republicans will support theirs. This is how our country is, and until something changes to bring us together, this is how it will be.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Nov 08
Apparently you've read nothing else I've written so far about Obama winning.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
9 Nov 08
Ted, I have read some, and like I told you before, conservative republicans are better off today with Obama, then they would be with McCain. The only surprise I see from this is Sarah Palin going back to Alaska, I figured she would never go back. But, we are all wrong sometimes in life. NO one is perfect.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
10 Nov 08
Why wouldn't she go back? She's still the governor.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I thin that could be said about some of those on the far end of either party or ideology. We went through the same thing while Clinton was President, and as someone who listened to a lot of talk radio while delivering mail during those years, the ditto-heads were crying up a storm 24/7. I'd say most on the far right think they're proud Americans but they pick and choose which parts of America and which Americans they love. Sarah Palin has let me know I'm not a real American.
Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Nov 08
Yes, I heard (and probably spouted) a lot of anti Clinton sentiment, but I don't remember the far right denouncing the US simply because they didn't like the president.
For the last 8 years I have heard and read some of the most vile things said against the US herself by the far left. It became cool to step on or even piss on the US flag. Democrat politicians went to our nations' enemies and actively trashed the US.. not just the president, but our nation itself.
That all goes far beyond discontent or even hatred for the president, that is hatred for the United States of America... for no other reason than they didn't get their way in the elections.
They are simply spoiled brats.. nothing more.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Unfortunately it seems the majority of those responding completely missed your point. It's about being proud to be an American, not being proud of the president. I wasn't proud of Bill Clinton, but I've ALWAYS been proud to be an American. My dislike for any president would never change my love for my country.
Liberals on the other hand are big on the spitting on the flag behavior. Then you have places like Berkeley, CA where they want to ban the military from being in their city and support extremists groups who try to prevent people from entering recruiting offices.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Nov 08
Thanks for getting the point. Some seem to have thought this article was about me.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I think that applies both ways, really. The day after the election one of the first things I heard from my McCain supporting friends and family were how ashamed they were to be American right now. I guess the reason I'm not nearly so upset is because I'd have been disappointed regardless of who won. I didn't like either candidate, really. My only silver lining was going to be the failure of Prop 8 in California, but that hope was taken from me. I'm not going to dwell on that forever, though, because I know eventually we'll win.
For the next 4 years it'll be the republicans and conservatives complaining. That's how the trend has gone for as long as I can remember. When the dems win, they support their candidate while republicans whine. When the republicans win, they support their candidate while the democrats whine. In the end, somebody's always going to whine about the outcome.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Nov 08
Yes, it's about anyone who bases their love of country on who is in the White House.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
8 Nov 08
I hope you already know that my politics are really strange but, I don't whine until the person in starts screwing up. Then I whine, complain, bytch and get mad. lol I have to agree with Annie and I didn't even like Clinton. When I turned 18 and was able to vote, I was an Independent. This year I supported Hillary because for way too many years old white men have ruled the White House and the country has gotten progressively worse, we needed a change of pace. Guess we got it with the middle aged black man lol. Plus I have been really pissed at the Republican party for several years now and it has only gotten worse.
I can honestly tell you that there are times that I'm a little disappointed in being an American. You want to know when those times are? When we go into a country and "set them free" from their awful leader so we can spread democracy, how are we the spreaders of democracy when we have politicans that should be jailed for their illegal activities. I am not talking about any party so please don't turn this into more Democrats than Republicans.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Nov 08
But does your love of country depend on who is in the White House?
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
9 Nov 08
Well I hope you mean the actually person and not the party. I haven't been all that proud of Bush being our leader. I didn't vote for him but I did like him but, over the years I have stopped liking him. As far as the party goes I don't really care. I'm proud to be a American.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Nov 08
We can only hope. I know Michelle Obama and Oprah Winfrey are now finally proud to be Americans. See, I am always proud but I bet over the next 4 years, it may be questionable. I really do not fancy living in a socialist country. we will see!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Nov 08
But you see the point. It is good to oppose the administration when we disagree with them, but to hate the US simply because one didn't get their way is just infantile.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Yes, and the whining has now begun on the other side and we will be hearing that for the next eight years (I hope) Take a look at the threads on here. They are all ready complaining that the press is laying off Obama. Never mind that he is the President Elect, hasn't been inagurated and the press ALWAYS lays off the President Elect since he can't do anything but tour the Whitehouse and name his cabinet. It's a courtesy given every President elect but they are actually saying that it is only because Obama is black and the press doesn't want to appear racist. What a crock! I don't ever remember hearing so much harping by the losing side so early in the game. The guy isn't even in office yet.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Nov 08
I'm not talking about whining about who is in office, that I'll grant you goes on both sides. I'm talking about the lefties who spit on the flag, praise two bit dictators, and cheer when things to bad for the US, just because they don't like the person in the White House.
They are hate filled babies.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
8 Nov 08
All I say that now that the Democrats blamed Bush for everything and now that they are in power, the Republicans can blame Obama for everything. Turnabout is fair play. But I did notice that the Democrats went more overboard then even the far right who wanted America to have a religious revival and for everyone to go to churhc.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Nov 08
The far right laughed about an assassination plot agiants Prs Bush Sr. Don't tell me the rhetoric is equal.
@JohnSteel (75)
• United States
8 Nov 08
Now we'll see how the far right reacts. Allready I've seen stuff out of them that mirrors how the far left acted when it was announced that Bush was re-elected. From what I've seen out of the far right these last few years they aren't much better than the far left.
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